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| 10-30-08 01:13pm - 5897 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Disturbing Videos I was just wondering what is the most messed up video you guys have seen on the internet. Please do not link to it though! PU has said this thread is okay so long as it stays a discussion and there is NO LINKING to any of the nasty videos. The reason I ask this is many of us have seen our share of disturbing videos, and they are plentiful with the war in the Middle East and cheap video recorders. But today a buddy sent me something that has redefined my classification of most disturbing video. His buddy found a promo video and forwarded it to me. The video is about extreme genital torture. TBP and PU do not review torture sites, and for good reason! I have seen a few and many of us have, of course most of us have limits on what is a turn on and this definitely crosses well over line. Anyway, this video went beyond "torture" which we usually associate cloths pins, wax dripping, and even hitting or piercing. This video actually depicted a man literally cutting a large piece of skin from penis, another completely dissecting his own, a woman cutting the skin between her vagina and butt, and even a man cutting the tip of his finger off as well as a few others beyond stupidity! My question to you is how far is too far even for extreme porn? I would like to hear some of your respected opinions on this matter. Personally I believe the video mentioned has gone to an extreme that should never be crossed. Most of us would not want to touch that sort of thing with a ten foot pole! There really must be a limit set. I am not one for censorship, but videos such as this should not be allowed to exist. They prosecuted Max Hardcore (I disagree with, but that is another story) for his porn so by that standard those who filmed this video should be hung! The creatures in these videos (they obviously are not human) would certainly have to be high on PCP or something, drugs in porn are wrong as well. They would have to be to take the pain, I dont care how tough the guy is, there is no way he was not on something. The simple fact is that porn is meant to be about pleasure. We get pleasure out of seeing and fantasizing about pleasure. There is no damn way this stuff is about pleasure, so I would urge that this is not porn and should not fall under the general umbrella of what is considered porn. This is the kind of stuff that makes porn look bad and get a bad name in some cases. Some of you may have noticed that I do not find many things to be offensive, so if even I make a big deal out of it, there has to be something seriously wrong. Again, please do not post links to any of your "disturbing" video examples. I am not trying to condone these videos in any way and TBP/PU has held firm in its nonsupport of torture sites, as well as bestiality and others. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-30-08 01:37pm - 5897 days | #2 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
I would say it a bit differently: "Sex should be fun for ALL people involved". So while I adore sites like sexandsubmission (which are Safe, Sane and Consensual BDSM), I definitely don't like torture or rape sites, and even much more mild things which are still abusive in nature, like spitting. And while I'm also VERY cautious about ANY kind of censorship, I see some reason behind "Extreme pornography" ban in UK (it's obviously ridiculous to make POSSESSION illegal, but that's another story). For those who didn't know - this law resulted from murder of Jane Longhurst by Graham Coutts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Coutts . Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 10-30-08 01:37pm - 5897 days | #3 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:02pm | |
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| 10-30-08 02:00pm - 5897 days | #4 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Indeed it is a tough one, and their are valid arguments that go both ways. I also saw a few of the "faces of death" series, but i do see a difference there. These people were not willingly killing or harming themselves. Granted a few of them died because they did something incredibly stupid. The reason some may see this as porn is because is focuses on the genitals. I do not believe it should be porn though. Of course "to each his own" but this I believe goes a little beyond that. What gratification can possibly come from nailing your testicle to a board, with a 1/4" thick nail? It is just to say they did it? That certainly is not something people usually brag about. Most of us would try to hide any injury to our "package" not film ourselves cutting it open! I guess what it comes down to is I simply do not understand someone doing that to themselves. Wittyguy, you are very correct about not being able to ban the stuff. As soon as we start doing that is all downhill from there. But, is and should self mutilation be legal? If you are an ER doctor, who do you treat first, the guy you stuck a knife through his penis so he found make a video, or the guy who accidentally cut his off with a power saw while at work? "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 10-30-08 03:26pm - 5897 days | #5 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Boy, that's a tough one. You are right when you say that self-mutilation or allowing yourself to be mutilated isn't porn. It's a mental illness. For whatever reason: low self-esteem, extreme guilt .. these people are trying to purge their souls of whatever is eating away at them inside. You see the religious manifestations of this phenomenon in the Philippines on any Good Friday when TV shows videos of people flogging themselves until they bleed. Who knows, maybe there's such extreme guilt in connection with their sexual urges inside the people you mentioned that they somehow try to destroy their sexuality that way or at least punish themselves severely for it. However, seeing that I'm not a Psychologist or Psychiatrist I'm only guessing. Human nature is too complicated and unpredictable for me to ever understand it. I don't even understand myself! | |
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| 10-30-08 04:45pm - 5896 days | #6 | |
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williamj (0)
Active User Posts: 102 Registered: Sep 29, '07 Location: usa |
Freedom of speech rings out on this one. I hate censorship but at times you have to say okay maybe that's over the line. I think we all have a level of erotica that we push to at times. But we know when its not erotica but just plain wrong and not porn. I watched a lot of Max Hardcore but when he went from XXX Hardcore fantasy to flat out degrading, mean, and to me hateful towards the girls, I said he crossed the line to my level of erotica/xxx porn and choose not to watch. Will | |
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| 10-30-08 07:22pm - 5896 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I like to visit a site called gorillamask.net and he often has links of idiots trying some extreme sports. I use the terms idiot and try because based on his description they fail. I see the links, but never visit them. If someone sent me a link of people self mutilating themselves then I wouldn't visit it, for the same reason that I don't visit the gorilla mask links. Life is too short for me to waste even a second of mine watching some stupid people doing stupider and stupider things. My definition of a stupid person is anyone who knowingly does something that can and probably will endanger his or life for an obscure reason. I'd classify every performer in the Jackass movies as really stupid people. I can't say that I'm not curious, because that would be a lie. I just choose to censor myself of certain contents. I never watched 2 girls and a cup. I read about it, and part of me was really curious to see if it was real, but at the end of the day I came up with a good reason for not watching it. Would those 2 girls have done what they did if they knew that no one would watch it? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-30-08 07:47pm - 5896 days | #8 | |
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williamj (0)
Active User Posts: 102 Registered: Sep 29, '07 Location: usa |
Curious and liking can't be confused. Because you've seen something and being associated with certain material has a gray line all becomes judgemental. Make sure you believe to the right to fredom of speech and privacy is part of your creed. But understand the law. Will | |
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| 10-30-08 08:57pm - 5896 days | #9 | |
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nygiants03 (0)
Active User  Posts: 23 Registered: Apr 15, '07 Location: USA |
kink.com's sites are the msot I would look at. Anything more is disturbing. | |
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| 10-31-08 08:26pm - 5895 days | #10 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
People seem to search out the stuff someone says they should not watch. Any time you hear about a video from somewhere that makes the news it gets pulled from places like youtube, but people then seek it elsewhere when normally they would have never cared about it. I guess it is a desire to be"in the circle" of people who know what it is others are talking about. Pat is very right, these guys are completely stupid. I wonder if they ended up regretting doing these things the next day? I still hold in my belief that if you do not want to see something you simply do not seek it out. This kind of thing is not something you find just anywhere on the internet. As for the censorship, I am tending to the side that making videos of this should not be viewed as illegal, but perhaps the actual activity should be considered, of course then someone would just say it is their religion. Video websites have the option of not showing this type of thing, so I believe censorship can be left to the people to decide on themselves and no legal intervention is needed in this case. The question still remains unanswered though. What would possess a people to willing slice themselves open? Perhaps these people do not even know themselves. One answer might be they are just looking to shock people. Okay, I am shocked, but my penis is still in one piece, theirs is not. So after the shock subsides it ends up being pointless unless for some self gratification that 99.99% of us could never understand. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 11-01-08 08:56am - 5895 days | #11 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
We need our resident Psychologist to look in on this thread. (I forget his handle at the moment: exotics4me?) | |
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| 11-01-08 12:10pm - 5895 days | #12 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I'm a Drug Counselor will that help :-) Since 2007 | |
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| 11-01-08 07:01pm - 5894 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
1-Thus giving ideas to other idiots who see the attention that video got, to do even worse. 2-Sadly no, since there were 2 Jackasses movie, and these were preceeded by the TV show. 3-I agree with you 100%. No one forces you to visit certain sites and certainly no one forces you to look at a video file. 4-I go back to my theory that if no one watches these things then people will stop making these videos. This is called self-censorship. 5-I don't know the answer, but I like your idea that they don't know themselves. Sadly self-mutilation will not enlighten them on their inner-self except to realise that a good part of their inner self is really stupid. Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Nov 01, 2008, 07:07pm | |
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| 11-02-08 07:46am - 5894 days | #14 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Nope! :-) | |
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| 11-02-08 10:53am - 5894 days | #15 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yea it would I can tell you what to take to forget about it LOL Since 2007 | |
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| 11-02-08 11:41am - 5894 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:02pm | |
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| 11-02-08 06:10pm - 5893 days | #17 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You are correct that my idea of self-censorship is at best a dream, but I can still hope that it becomes a reality. Whenever people can't control themselves then it forces governments to do it for them. The intervention is often in the form of a law. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-05-08 05:47pm - 5890 days | #18 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
What should happen is that when some people can't control themselves, to the extent that they actually harm other human beings in a criminal act, the rest of the people, in the form of a democratically elected government intervene. This is because the government is supposed to represent the people's wishes, passing laws that the people want, for the people. In reality what happens, is the powerful minority who control the media, make sure the only people who get elected, are the ones that are going to represent the wishes and interests of the powerful minority. IMO there is no free speech because the rich minority own the media, and the media are the ones who get to decide who is elected, what opinions and what truth is published. The last group of people I want in control of the internet is the government, because it is the last place where there is true freedom of speech. They have managed to stifle it everywhere else, and as I have said in another post, they now use the excuse of terrorism, paedophilia, extreme porn, and mass murder, to try and control the internet. It's just my opinion, but personally I do not want governments controlling what can and can't be seen online. Inevitably they will control it. There is another reason the internet is so dangerous, apart from free speech, and that is you can download media far cheaper then anywhere else. Not so good for giant corporations. So yes, these people need to control it, and in the end they will get their way, under the guise of protecting the poor, dumb, uneducated, impressionable, weak masses. For their own good, of course. Edited on Nov 05, 2008, 05:52pm | |
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