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| 07-01-12 11:09am - 4557 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
Stupid cost structure for porn Porn site membership structure is dumb. There are many sites that I've paid for a month membership and I've gone over the entire site. Their stuff may be outstanding but I don't see why as a former monthly member I have to pay for another entire month to get a few updates! How about a weekly membership for former members say at $5.00. Bet I'd return much more often then say, one time evry year! Pornpundit | |
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| 07-01-12 12:14pm - 4557 days | #2 | |
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woggie (0)
Suspended Posts: 2 Registered: Mar 24, '12 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada |
I have to agree. | |
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| 07-01-12 12:38pm - 4557 days | #3 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
That's why my main site (StripGameCentral.com) costs approximately 1/3 of the first month for recurring months. Bizarrely I still get people sign up for a month, cancel and then come back a month or two later and sign up for another 1st month. Over the years I've tried all sorts of pricing patterns, what works or doesn't work doesn't always follow any sensible logic. Recurring prices are a nightmare to get right. Price it too low and no-one seems to want to go for the recurring membership option. The most sensible model is to price per content and not offer memberships, but this doesn't seem to be very popular amongst customers. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 07-01-12 05:28pm - 4557 days | #4 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I might like it if sites had "per item" price structures along with monthly and longer-term membership options. The reason is that some sites have just a few things that I really want, whereas others have enough that a monthly (or longer) membership would be a better deal. SweetAndNude is one that doesn't have that much that I like, though there are outstanding exceptions. MetArt is one that usually has stuff I like, so I've paid in for term plans with them. But for "per item" to work, the full content would have to be viewable for me to decide to buy or not. ALS Scans has tried a per-item scheme, but you couldn't see all of what you were getting. That's been a while, so I don't know if it ever changed. But it's not smart to ask people to buy something and they don't know what they're getting. It's like, you, reader, I've got a nice shirt here. Take my word for it. $30. Deal? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 07-01-12 10:38pm - 4557 days | #5 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
The problem with that becomes how do you offer it in a way where people can access the whole thing before they buy it without them being able to get the whole thing without paying for it? The best most sites are going to be willing to do is give you a couple minute preview if it's a video, or a few large images if it's photos (or maybe just a bunch of small thumbnails so that you can see the whole set, but not in the resolution you want). | |
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| 07-02-12 03:36am - 4556 days | #6 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
I think you miss the point. I know, for instance, yhat I like almost all the material at,say"Score Hd. I have already had the chance to look at, and download tons of stuff going back x years.I now want to download only the latest stuff! I won't pay again for a full month as I'm only going to hang around for a few days. I'm asking for a loyalty program. Pornpundit | |
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| 07-02-12 06:34am - 4556 days | #7 | |
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skunk (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 56 Registered: Jun 21, '12 Location: UK/london |
Hi if you look around there are some sites that you can ge a month for about $10 and some will let you have 2 days.There is no Recurring payments. sexxximps does this and you can see all the films on the site. There are clips of each film and you can just pay to see one film. Some membership for site are too much. http://www.sexxximps.com Edited on Jul 02, 2012, 06:39am | |
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| 07-02-12 05:36pm - 4556 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
See the third paragraph of what I'd said/you responded to. I said that the full content would have to be viewable. And I was talking about what sites should do, not what they've been doing. After all, isn't that the point of this thread?? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Jul 02, 2012, 05:46pm | |
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| 07-02-12 06:10pm - 4556 days | #9 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
So I'll ask the question that I started my post with: How do you do that without allowing someone to be able to just take the content without paying for it at all? | |
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| 07-02-12 06:27pm - 4556 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I think that most sites should try to offer somekind of lower cost deal for anyone staying longer than a month but I don't think the amount should be any lower than 10$. I mean at some point you are going to have many long term members paying a tiny amount while only a few new ones paying the full price and that is not good for business. A weekly membership might look like a good idea to us customers but sites that would offer that option would see their profits drop rather quickly because CC processors don't offer their services for free. They take a certain percentage from every credit card they process and I don't think it's based on the final amount or at least it's not the main part. An example would be if they take 1$ for every card they handle then a 20$ membership would really mean 19$ in the pocket of the site but if a site offers a 5$ membership then that really means only 4$ in their pocket. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-02-12 06:34pm - 4556 days | #11 | |
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skunk (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 56 Registered: Jun 21, '12 Location: UK/london |
You can not do that,can stop the download however if you can see all the film for free then you would you need to pay for a download. As you can go back and see it when you like. That is like going to a shop asking to see all the dvd you think you may like before you hire it out or buy it. i also think there is a way to copy a film if you can play it . http://www.sexxximps.com | |
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| 07-03-12 11:31am - 4555 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^That's exactly how tube sites work. You go on the site. You select the video you want and then you stream it so that you can masturbate. You cum and then move on to something else. That hasn`t worked out all that well for porn up to now and I don`t think it ever will. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-04-12 04:13am - 4554 days | #13 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
For photos, all the thumbnails. And there are sites that do that already. For videos, how about full streaming but low in dimensions with a nasty DRM time limitation in case it gets downloaded? Oh, well, I thought it might be OK to make some constructive suggestions that might lead to a solution. Got any yourself? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 07-04-12 05:44am - 4554 days | #14 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
I think that is an excellent idea. I feel that even the DRM restriction is unnecessary. There exists software that can record anything that displays on the screen, complete with sound, and regardless of any protection. The result is fairly low quality, about equivalent to most flv streams. All the site needs to do is stream an 800x600 flv. If someone managed to download the actual flv file, they would not get anything better than could be obtained by recording with recording software. For photos, the thumbs method you suggest seems unproblematic. As you say, some sites already do that. And those include some very large sites as well as smaller ones. I think sites really need to get to grips with the idea embodied in your suggestion. They put far too much effort into a futile attempt to combat viewing any of their material, albeit in low quality, prior to purchase. They should make it easy to preview. Because otherwise they drive potential purchasers towards the alternative of downloading the complete content, in full quality, from pirate sites and bulletin boards, where it is often easier to access without download limits or timeouts. People who want to get stuff without paying will never pay even if all free sources are eliminated. However, there are a lot of potential customers who will buy if it is easy to preview content. If I find a site I might want to join, I first go to the tour and look for some actual example content. If I find it and I like it, I sign up. If there is no preview content, I look on "alternative sources". There, I often find complete content and sometimes full site rips. I will still then go back and sign up to the site, though many would not. If all sites included proper preview material in the first place, there would be no need to go to the alternative sources at all. I know that sites might say that preview material costs them bandwidth and storage charges. But they also complain that piracy costs them money. I sincerely believe that the cost of offering good previews would be more than offset by the reduction in lost signups from people who visit the pirate sites in order to obtain samples and who then do not sign up. Offering good previews of ALL the content would be an effective model both for purchase of individual scenes and for regular time-based memberships. | |
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| 07-04-12 10:04am - 4554 days | #15 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
Oh my, simple, send out emails to all who have joined the site for at least a month telling former members that they can re join the site for three days at any time during the next year. In order to receive the e mail you would have to click on a link INSIDE the site during your initial 30 day membership Yet another way to send a user Id and password good for just a short limited period also to those members who request it ONLY in the membership area.. Some money is much better then no money!!!!!! ( remember what the now depated Priceline negotiator used to tell hotel desk clerks before his tradgic buss swan dive AS far as tube sites are concerned I have yet to see one with really really high quality ( not content quality, video quality) streaming Pornpundit Edited on Jul 04, 2012, 10:20am | |
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| 07-04-12 06:13pm - 4554 days | #16 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I command you on your suggestion and I wish I had one to offer but I don't. The big issue I have with your suggestion on videos is that there is a cost involved in offering that kind of service and I really don't think sites have the budget for those cost. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-09-12 12:57pm - 4549 days | #17 | |
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Claypaws (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 144 Registered: May 16, '12 Location: UK |
But they have the budget to lose everything to the tube sites and rip sites. I think they need to think long term if they want to stay in business. | |
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| 07-09-12 03:56pm - 4549 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
They no longer have budget for anything except to stay afloat and barely at that. Some of them don't even have that and that's why some have slowed their updates and some can't even afford it now. No porn site today can think much further down the line than a few months to maybe a year. I don't know if it was on this forum or another one but it was mentioned a while ago that porn sites no longer make money from membership but from the money they get from their banner pages and their partner program. Many companies advertise on the Tube sites who stole their content because they at least get some money from referals and partner programs. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-01-12 01:12pm - 4526 days | #19 | |
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marcdc1 (0)
Active User  Posts: 139 Registered: Jan 10, '07 Location: New York |
What about a pay per vid/pay per minute structure. Clips4sale does about a 1$ per minute of content. I think that's too high. What would be a fair price to buy ala carte: 5 minute video? 15 minute video? 30 minute video? | |
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| 08-01-12 06:49pm - 4526 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I think clips4sale profit system is geared toward them making a much too large amount of money by selling their content at a very high price. They are only surpassed by phone sex lines and cam sites. Charging someone 1$ a minute is a lot of money and pure highway robery in my opinion. A standard porn scene that last 20 minutes will cost you 20$. You can get over a hundred hours of porn from most porn sites for that kind of money. I can't even see them offering some kind of deal because the way clips4sale works. The different studios are often mom and pop operations that uplaod their content and make money each time someone downloads their videos. Offering a deal where a member can download "X" amount of porn for a set price would be logistical nightmare Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Aug 02, 2012, 06:33pm | |
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| 08-01-12 11:34pm - 4526 days | #21 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Saying it's not for you is one thing. But to call it a "con", like they're trying to trick people, is unfair to the site and the people that sell videos on it. There's a fully legitimate reason that the scenes cost as much as they do, and it isn't because they feel like ripping people off. | |
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| 08-02-12 06:34pm - 4525 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You are right and I have amended my original post. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-03-12 05:14am - 4524 days | #23 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Personally I think Clips4Sale sets too high a minimum price. I sell a lot of my videos (from StripGameCentral) on Clips4Sale to give customers an alternative way of getting them, but I have them all set to Clips4Sale's minimum allowed prices and they are still two expensive. I'd like to move the collection to MallofErotica, I started putting videos there too, but they have no real customer base yet. They allow shop owners to set much lower prices, so maybe as the world becomes aware of that, the market will shift accordingly? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 08-03-12 06:08am - 4524 days | #24 | |
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skunk (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 56 Registered: Jun 21, '12 Location: UK/london |
Hi Ed2009 you may do better if you just try sale your videos or pic for Webmaster. http://www.sexxximps.com | |
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| 08-03-12 08:43am - 4524 days | #25 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Let's hope. Competition is generally a good thing in business, as long as it doesn't result in a "race to the bottom". Their prices are a little too high for my blood (understandable, but high), so seeing someone allow for more variable pricing so that prices can go lower if wanted would be nice. Okay, just looked at their website, and while functional, it doesn't look very, I don't know, appealing, at all. Almost like something I could throw together in a couple days. The first thing they need to hire is a new web designer. | |
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| 08-03-12 11:43am - 4524 days | #26 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Do you mean I should try selling the videos to other webmasters? Apart from that would have negative knock-on effects for me, very few sites are buying content from third parties right now - the market is really down. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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