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| 05-26-09 12:43pm - 5651 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
no downloads as an option? I just received this email from a webmaster in response to my asking why they discontinued downloads and are streaming only. "Thank you for your email. We are aware that we are losing sales by not having a download option. We know that our product is not being blasted all over the tube sites on the internet for free either. You are correct that there is still the ability to steal our content....but the fact is that its too much work for too little reward. It will not be long before every site has moved to protect their content as we have done. Every site will be flash only, and the content will not be downloadable. Since you are familiar with many other sites it may seem like it is too big of a task, but its going to happen. We talk to everyone in our industry, and everyone is making this move." I am curious as to everyone's reaction to this statement. | |
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| 05-26-09 12:55pm - 5651 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Very simple - I would use only Pirate Bay, or something similar, to download for free. I would never subscribe to a streaming only site. Given the habit that some of them have for not telling the truth, or just telling outright lies, I wouldn't necessarily believe anything they may say. Admittedly I have already said that I think streaming may be more common in the future, but I do not think it will be 100 per cent. If it is I will download for free, and if I can't download for free, I have enough on disc already, even though I only keep about 5 per cent or less of what I download. There may be a two tier thing where after a year or two some of the streaming only becomes available for download. Although how many will subscribe to that, if they are like me and will already have downloaded for free, I don't know. Edited on May 26, 2009, 01:08pm | |
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| 05-26-09 02:32pm - 5651 days | #3 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
To be honest, I think I would have to quit this already too excessive hobby all together if sites became streaming only. It is a shame that content gets pirated and show up on free sites but I always loved the convienance of getting the content legit and what you want, when you want. However, I do enjoy my collection and even though I hoard everything, if it's good stuff; I will come back later on to get more. On a different point, I think if sites do become streaming only, they sure as hell better think of lowering their prices by half. That would probably be my only incentive to stay with a site that does this. Will they actually lower anything in this case, I highly doubt it. And by they I mean the majority of the webmasters and sites. Obviously, some do actually care about their return customers and customers in general but I have found plenty that are in the category of, "join if you want, we don't care either way" attitudes. I'm curious to see what everyone thinks, I'm sure we will all revolt in an uproar because the no drm protection is like the #1 pro of all my trusted reviewers! GET READY TO VIRTUAL PICKET FOLKS Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 05-26-09 03:14pm - 5651 days | #4 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User  Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
Mind saying what site that was? As I want to make sure I never join it. I'm with everyone else I'd never stay a member or join a site that I know up front only allows streaming. And they are stupid if they don't think people will still download it/steal it. Just be a little tech savy and you can download any streaming video. And I agree with Gcode, they'd have to slash prices by more then half for me to even think about it. I think $5-10 max for a streaming only site. I myself like sites like Brazzers that do stream the videos but you can also download them. It lets you preview the video and then decide if you wanna download. However my biggest question is, how are they gonna be able to stream HD content? Or do they expect people, who expect sites to offer HD video, to just go back to the old days of crappy video? I don't know many people that can stream a 20-40min HD video without some major buffering or a decently long load time at the beginning. But of course, this also falls into the category of people who seem to think the future is everything streaming (Hollywood movies, video games, music) so it doesn't surprise me that porn would be next in that list. Edited on May 26, 2009, 03:20pm | |
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| 05-26-09 03:27pm - 5651 days | #5 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Jeffrey-I told the webmaster that it is not very difficult to download streaming video and you see his response. The site is dreamgirlsmembers.com, the comapny is IIICashLLC. They have a network of sites. I think the context here is important. How would you feel about sites that are streaming only. | |
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| 05-26-09 03:42pm - 5651 days | #6 | |
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picdude (0)
Active User Posts: 107 Registered: Dec 26, '08 Location: Italy |
I have joined streaming sites and hate them for a number of reasons. 1/ I like to have a file to play when I want it there are times I don't have net access or my internet is slow. 2/ Takes to long logging in and finding the file you like, as well as having to clear up history. There are other reasons but I think you get the drift, on the odd occasion I have joined a streaming site it has either been a bonus site or by over eagerness. I would personally shy away from streaming only sites. And the thing is everyone might go streaming but if they do the last few will be a lot more popular. Think about DRM apples competition rapidly grew because they didn't have it and apple did. | |
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| 05-26-09 03:43pm - 5651 days | #7 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I'm not tech savvy, but my impression is that with some simple, free software, you should be able to download and save streaming video. I'm more of a photo person than a video person, but if I did join a video site, I would definitely want to be able to download and save the videos I liked. There is little to no sense, for me, to join a video site that only has streaming, and no downloads. I think the the webmaster reply you got is a lot of wishful thinking and hot air. As I already said, it's probably easy to download streaming video, if you have the right software. And as far as all porn sites eliminating downloading, I think the webmaster is talking nonsense. And when the webmaster says "it may seem like it is too big of a task, but its going to happen.", (referring to eliminating the downloading option), he is talking nonsense again. Or maybe he just has a poor usage of the English language. Why should it be difficult, or a lot of work, to eliminate the downloading option for files of a web site? You just remove the download hot links. It's that simple. | |
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| 05-26-09 04:18pm - 5651 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-26-09 04:28pm - 5651 days | #9 | |
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rome476 (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Aug 19, '08 |
I would never subscribe to a streaming only site just as I don't subscribe to DRM sites. PERIOD. rome476 | |
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| 05-26-09 04:35pm - 5651 days | #10 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User  Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
My download manager grabs streams anyway. So if they go to that method it will not change anything. Either way they have to send the information to my computer, so it is only a matter of which button I push to save it. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 05-26-09 04:49pm - 5651 days | #11 | |
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rome476 (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Aug 19, '08 |
Can you give me a clue to it or is that not allowed? I just checked the terms so I guess i'm on my own. rome476 Edited on May 26, 2009, 04:53pm | |
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| 05-26-09 10:08pm - 5651 days | #12 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Curious if your download manager also grabs Adobe 10 streams that use rtmp. I've tried half a dozen "grabbers" and have yet to find one that'll grab 'em. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 05-26-09 10:27pm - 5651 days | #13 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Mine as well so the webmaster at this site must be a moron, not to know technology exist to strip his site whether he wants it or not. But I have question is it legal to dl from them if it streaming only after all you , I we all agree the TOS right? So in reality stripping and copying may be theft ?? Since 2007 | |
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| 05-26-09 11:14pm - 5651 days | #14 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Wittyguy seems to be the unofficial legal expert at this site. So maybe he can give an opinion on the legality of downloading files from a pay site. When I'm a member of a pay site, I normally feel that I have the right to download files (photos, videos) from that site onto my hard drive. I don't know about the legal right, but I feel like I've paid for the right to "access" those files and download those files to my PC for my convenience. I realize I do not have the legal right to sell those photos and videos to someone else. But I've never sold photos or videos to anyone anyway. Actually, though, my impression is that technically, the law(s) on copyright are continuously broken by millions of people everyday of the year. Back in the dark ages, when I was a student in college, I read that technically, it was illegal to photocopy material from a copyrighted item (a book or magazine). Yet that is done every day of the year, by millions of people. I thought that, since it was my impression it was technically illegal to copy copyrighted material, how could libraries, for the convenience of people, have photocopy machines? But most public libraries do have photocopy machines. So aren't public libraries, in a sense, encouraging the public to unintentionally commit illegal behavior? Maybe Wittyguy could also give an opinion on whether it's legal to photocopy material from a copyrighted book or magazine? | |
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| 05-26-09 11:43pm - 5650 days | #15 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Off topic ramble: Actually, to understand the law in many cases, you need to be a legal expert, or have a legal expert explain the law to you. A case in point: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, the California State Supreme Court upheld Proposition 8, the gay-marriage ban approved by voters in November 2008, that made gay legal nuptials illegal going forward. Gay/lesbian couples who tied the knot during the five-month window when same-sex marriage was legal in California, are still legally married. They are still legally married in California. But I don't know if many other states would recognize that marriage as legal. There are a few states in the U.S. that recognize gay marriages. But my guess is that most states do not allow or recognize gay marriage. | |
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| 05-26-09 11:44pm - 5650 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-27-09 05:22am - 5650 days | #17 | |
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Jay G (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 96 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Streaming and DRM bad, that simple. I know I can watch a lot of free porn if I'm willing to put up with the herky jerky streaming u-tube like junk.....but I'm not.. I'd rather pay and download. When that option's not available, then I guess I stop paying and just watch free junk. Jay G | |
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| 05-27-09 07:37am - 5650 days | #18 | |
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The Clyde (0)
Active User  Posts: 31 Registered: Jun 21, '07 Location: Michigan |
The webmaster is not a business man... He is falling into the trap of being an "artist" that cares too much about his "art" and not enough about profit. The key to producing any art form is being able to pay the bills. It makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE that they would cut their own throats and lose business to protect their "art". It is still porn.. It is not going to appreciate in value over time, it is actually going to decrease, sell it when you can. If this starts to happen, you will see large networks where you can still download files dominate the industry. This will allow a huge marketshare grab AND could foster a price increase by sites allowing downloads. This makes absolutely no business sense, it is cutting off your nose to spite your face. Stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. This is what happens when none business folks try to run a business. Still to website designs, photography and smut, hire a business manager. Kinky | Inky | Pinky | Stinky <><><> Give em to me Hotter than Fire <><><> | |
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| 05-27-09 07:47am - 5650 days | #19 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Clyde-I couldn't agree more. I pointed out that he was hurting his business and he responded with reasons for doing so. A good businessman sells first and asks questions later. I mentioned that I am a member of PU and that other members have remarked in the past that downloading is the main reason for joining. His answer-what he thinks other webmasters will do to combat theft. I find it hard to believe that most sites will eliminate downloading. The money you make with a large number of paying customers will always be a lot more than the losses due to theft by only a few. | |
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| 05-27-09 07:54am - 5650 days | #20 | |
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The Clyde (0)
Active User Posts: 31 Registered: Jun 21, '07 Location: Michigan |
mbaya - I would much rather sell 1000 subscriptions and have some stolen content. If my other choice is to sell 100 subscriptions with little stolen content. The facts are simple, people that steal content are not your market segment. Pretty good chance that they will not be paying for your product if you make it DRM or Streaming. There is also an adverting aspect to stolen content. How many sites get exposures and customers from Tube Sites that they may not get by SPAM emails or word or mouth. Hell.. Adult webmasters aren't the most ethical internet merchants.. they have no qualms about spamming the shit out of my inbox. Kinky | Inky | Pinky | Stinky <><><> Give em to me Hotter than Fire <><><> | |
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| 05-27-09 07:39pm - 5650 days | #21 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Another question to raise is are these webmasters truly losing money on stolen content? Here is my point. If I never intend to pay you a penny for your stuff than you lose nothing. There was no potential for you to earn the money off of me. Also, if I steal the content from a tube site then it cost the tube site money to send it to me, not the actually owner of the content. So, if I truly never intend on giving you a dime you lose nothing so long as I am not downloading from you. What this leads to is you are protecting your content from paying customers and then you lose money. This idea has been thoroughly beaten here in this thread. I believe the real issue these webmaster are contesting is not the idea of people stealing content, after all they would never pay anyway. Rather, it is the idea that us PAYING customers can download a site and cancel. Them after the cancel still view the content because it is on our computers somewhere. What they want to do is force us to continue paying the monthly fee for as long as we wish to view their content. Remember that "gem" video you have. Would you keep paying $30 per month to be able to watch it every time you feel the urge to do so. Something for these content providers to consider is that the US is tending toward very strict bandwidth limits. Some cities are experimenting with as low as 5 GB per month! So remember that 500 MB "gem' you found last night? Well if you want to watch it again today you have to burn through another 500 MB. And guess what, the content provider, yes that is you webmasters, has to fork out the bandwidth fee on yet another 500 MB to send the EXACT same thing out. If as this particular person is claiming is true, I believe they will see a sharp decline in sales. After all, how many of us have enough porn to get them by until they realize the error in their ways. I simply would not pay for sites until they changed back and would life very comfortably off of what I have already hoarded! :) So as the great wiseman Eric Cartman many times said, "Screw you guys, I am going home!" "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 05-27-09 08:08pm - 5650 days | #22 | |
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Jeffrey99 (0)
Active User Posts: 106 Registered: Nov 04, '08 Location: Good Ole Midwest USA |
Not to get off topic but is that for consumers or just webmasters or both? Have any links on that. Sounds like it'd be very interesting reads. | |
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| 05-27-09 08:21pm - 5650 days | #23 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-28-09 10:07am - 5649 days | #24 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Let's get real here, while yes there are programs and ways to get streaming videos ripped off sites, that just kills the convenience of paying your hard earned money which is the luxary of going to a pay site and paying in the first place. How many times have I been pissed off when a site has no zip downloads for their photos which makes me have to use DownThemAll or other programs just so I can get them. While these are easy to use, it's still a simple inconvenience that makes me not want to return to a site a second time. It's like going to a restaurant, ordering, then having to go to the kitchen and pick up the plate and drink yourself and bring it to your table. So, what I'm trying to say, is once the convenience of paying for your content to save it for later goes away, customers will go to other means of getting it that makes it easier for them to get it. I also want to point out which I think was brought up in another thread about pirating nonporn DVD movies, is in my opinion, I strongly believe going out and finding these is way more of an inconvenience than just forking the money over. This goes for most pirated stuff as well (as long as you are an average person trying to get things for free, it's not as easy as it seems). There can be a lot hunting and finding the same quality you can get for free than it would be if you pay, plus things can get cut off, lose it's original content, and so on. So by far, paying is just easier because you are right at the source and know what you can get. Once it becomes a game to get that content and becomes distracting (after you paid YOUR money), then of course I'll just go the same route and try and get it for free. Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 05-28-09 02:37pm - 5649 days | #25 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
He's a liar, plain and simple. These sites are way overpriced, and they know it. I was reading a webmaster forum last year when one of them admitted it---cost of bandwidth way down, but their price going up and he admitted that he understood why people were avoiding the paysites and using the free tube sites. So who is it? | |
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| 05-28-09 07:48pm - 5649 days | #26 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
JD1961-The site is dreamgirlsmembers.com. I mentioned it very early in the forum, and also in a review of partywildnaked.com. | |
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| 05-29-09 02:08am - 5648 days | #27 | |
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james4096 (0)
Suspended Posts: 132 Registered: Mar 02, '09 |
I hope webmasters are reading this thread. We, the people who actually pay for porn, will not subscribe to sites that do not allow you to download the videos and watch them later. | |
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| 05-29-09 03:05am - 5648 days | #28 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Frankly, I don't think it's a real indicator of anything real brewing in the industry. When kink.com will drop downloads, I will start worrying, until then it's just an example of one-off silly decision (and even sillier excuse). BTW, I think referring to Tubes as a reason to downfall is just a silly excuse of webmasters who cannot produce anything original and creative. There were times when just ANY adult website was profitable, so lots of mediocre sites jumped this wagon. Which inevitably lead to market saturation and drops in profits; a few years ago they thought that they're saved by going into niches, but the very same process happened with niches, and they were saturated too (even REALLY disgusting ones). Ok, so now a webmaster has only 2 options: 1. to be creative; 2. to go out of business. And BTW, that's perfectly fine with me (maybe even percentage of mediocre sites will go down). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 05-29-09 11:11am - 5648 days | #29 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
Many of the "mediocre" sites will stay up, if not all that are up now. So long as they can get enough memberships to pay for the minimal upkeep and hosting they will be there. These junk sites and ones that are still up but have not updated in years are simply raising their prices to keep up with other sites and paying bargin basement prices for their hosting. So they only need a few people per month to float. Now if the major sites go to this supposed stream only deal then these shitty non updating sites will have an edge. People looking to download will have no where else to turn. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 05-29-09 12:18pm - 5648 days | #30 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-29-09 04:54pm - 5648 days | #31 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I assume you're either a lawyer or else have a very clear understanding of legal matters beyond what the average person has. But what you quoted seems to make clear that you can legally use the site contents, or any material you download from the site, only while you are a current site member. That's what the site agreement/license clearly states. I sincerely doubt any PU member, or non-PU member, will automatically purge all site contents from their PC when their membership expires. Or that they will "honorably" refuse to view the downloaded material. I assume that most members believe they have the right to view the downloaded material whether they are current members or not. Honestly, I believe very few people read and understand the "terms and conditions" of most site memberships, of most computer software. You have to click "yes" to install and use computer software, signifying you agree to the terms and conditions. But on a lot of PC software, the language of the terms and conditions is long, detailed and confusing to a non-lawyer. | |
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| 05-29-09 06:26pm - 5648 days | #32 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
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| 05-30-09 12:21am - 5647 days | #33 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
What about a Porn Hunter's Bounty Badge, awarded to PU members who hunt down and frag members of the public who have illicit and unlicensed porn on their personal computers? I envision myself carrying a .577 Magnum revolver (bigger and better and louder than Dirty Harry's), breaking into people's apartments and houses, smashing my way to their PCs and Apple computers, then checking to see if there is any unlicensed porn in their stash. Wait a minute. I might be one of the victims. Not cool at all. | |
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| 05-30-09 01:59am - 5647 days | #34 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
I don't think it will happen; are they all stupid or something? With current customer attitudes it will kill their business MUCH MUCH more than any Tube. As I've said above, I'll start worrying when I see kink.com dropping downloads, not earlier. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 05-30-09 07:46pm - 5647 days | #35 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
This webmaster thinks that every site is going in this direction? He's a liar or he's just plain wrong. Sites that used to have DRM have done away with it, in the main. And he's an idiot because the main media players have options to download any stream, so it's much easier for the un-tech-savvy to save this stuff to their system. I sympathize with the people that have sites that have to contend with piracy. But the best solution to that stuff is to do things like live web events that give members experiences that aren't going to be equalled by the people that are just downloading the pirated material - or just making their updates so special that people feel that the site deserves their dollars. The "only a moron pays for porn" crowd isn't going away any time soon and I don't see the material on stream-only sites being presented in the forums that post pirated material any less than any other site, so this strategy is only going to keep away the people that would otherwise be willing to pay. | |
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| 05-31-09 06:11pm - 5646 days | #36 | |
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badandy400 (0)
Active User Posts: 869 Registered: Mar 02, '08 Location: ohio |
The "only a moron pays for porn" crowd, as PinkPanther so accurately put it, really should not be considered. After all they are never going to pay anyway. That said, I can agree that sites only need to be based on the paying members. And the paying members are not ripping them off. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~ PU Interview | |
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| 06-01-09 05:55am - 5645 days | #37 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
+1 Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 06-01-09 06:01am - 5645 days | #38 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
BTW, just to clarify my own understanding of this and similar situations: - it is their site, and they are free to do anything they want about the rules on their site, AS LONG AS IT'S CLEARLY STATED ON THE SITE BEFORE JOINING IN. - if they clearly state it, I won't have any problems with them, and definitely won't tell that they're frauds; (I can think they're stupid, but that's a different story ;-)) - if some site will say that they have only streams, I won't complain, I will just walk away (BTW, if they won't tell it upfront, then I can become angry enough to initiate dispute about credit card charge). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 06-01-09 07:36am - 5645 days | #39 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
I think it stinks. And this guy does NOT know what he's talking about - just speaking for his own site, that's all, bottom line. Once joined a site by Moon Angel Production: Asian Flower Girl and asked them why on earth downloads of videos was not possible - got an answer pretty similar to above - just more abusive - do not remember the words anymore, but something about that they did not want their videos spread around ect. Give me a break...what do we pay for? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 06-02-09 06:27pm - 5644 days | #40 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I had the same problem with a webmaster recently who refused to zip his pictures for fear of piracy. But non-zipped picture sets are not half as bad as un-downloadable videos, so, no way would I subscribe to a streaming only site, even if it was full of lingerie loving MILFs in their fifties, which happens to be my favorite niche. :-) The WM is plain wrong in his predictions: streaming only is a sure fire way to Porn site obscurity and eventual death for lack of subscribers. | |
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| 10-07-09 07:18pm - 5517 days | #41 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I just had an experience with a website regarding streaming. The site is facialabuse.com. If you look at the newest postings it seems that they are all streaming only, but low and behold download options mysteriously appear occasionally. I contacted customer service and got the following answer: "New updates will be streaming and will be released for download 29 days after they have been set live. Kiana". Yet another scheme to get you to stay longer, but without giving you anything. How convenient that 29 days is only one day short of a monthly subscription. | |
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| 10-07-09 11:39pm - 5516 days | #42 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Not a fan of video. I am certainly not going to watch something that pauses for loading every couple of seconds. Cap'n. :0( Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 10-08-09 10:54am - 5516 days | #43 | |
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ControllingMind (0)
Suspended  Posts: 52 Registered: Jan 29, '09 Location: Inside An Unseen Force |
It seems to me that pornsites are using piracy as an excuse to come up with new ideas, to make it difficult for members to obtain their content. Lots of people now on 20MB, some on 50MB connections. China I believe can get 100MB+ internet. What the sites really want is for members to stick around for more than a month or two, so they need to come up with different ways to slow members activites down and keep them there. Its getting worse, before too long every site will have restrictions of some kind. They must think people will still join regardless. Edited on Oct 08, 2009, 01:17pm | |
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| 10-08-09 10:56pm - 5516 days | #44 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
The fact is that value varies widely. Look at Brazzers and Naughty America. They are extremely comparable in terms of niches, and you can probably get both for the same price or close to. Brazzers has a business model of squeezing members for every dime they can get after they join - they have their bait-and-switch HD BS. When they had a live show, they acted like it was the second coming and charged members $5/minute!!!! for the show. Naughty America has put up some HD stuff with little fanfare - it's available for full download to their members. They charged additional for their live shows for a very short amount of time - now they have numerous live shows per day included in membership - with babes the quality of Sunny Leone - and they archive all of those shows so you can watch them whenever you want. No archives of Brazzers' show have ever turned up to my knowledge. So shop around. There are sites that want to clamp down and take away and give you less and less - and there are sites that are going in the opposite direction, giving you more value, looking for ways to be a better site. | |
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