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11-08-10  08:58am - 5120 days Original Post - #1
Monahan (0)
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Model Naming on Websites

I've had a lingering question that maybe someone here can answer.

Most of the top models in porn have created "stage names" for themselves and those names are what we horndogs use to search for new content.

My problem is with those sites that use common single first names for ladies who have already created their reputation, which make them hard to locate.

Met Art and Young Busty are two sites that do that, but I am unable to understand why. It would seem to me that staying with the "official" name would be more advantageous than creating some alternative name.

Can anyone tell me what the thinking behind this is?

11-08-10  12:47pm - 5120 days #2
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I can't give you any official answer or industry-insider answer. Multiple names for the same model is extremely common, and some models (who aren't even that famous) can have six or seven names or more, depending on how many sites they've been on. Or the same site can use different names for the same model, which Met Art sometimes does.

My guess is that sites use a name for the model that they create, or that the photographer/content provider might create, for the sake of simplicity. You have some photos of a girl, she needs a name, we make up one. And if she appears at the same site with more photos, and we happen to remember the name we used before for her, let's use that same name again for her with the new photos.

Met Art occasionally will change the name of a model, sometimes by changing the letter used after the first name, or sometimes using an entirely different name. So the same model could be called "Anna E" or "Anna A" (not actual examples, I'm not going to bother to find cases where this happened, but I know that has been done).

I think that's because they don't realize they have photosets of that same model under a slightly different name. Call that carelessness.

Occasionally Met Art (and Metmodels, its sister site) will use an entirely different name for different photosets of the same model. My belief is that this is based on carelessness. They don't realize they have a photoset of the same model that was used before, so they need a name for the "new" model, and they make one up. I doubt this name change is a deliberate attempt to confuse subscribers, or to increase the number of "new" models that they can report (the more new models a site has, the more impressive the site is supposed to be, which has some basis in fact).

This topic of model names changing has been hit on before, on different threads.

It can certainly make finding all the material of a particular model much more difficult, when the name of the model can easily change from one site to another, or even at the same site.

A different version of the model naming problem is when a site gives a short name that can be used by many other models, even at the same site. You look for Barbara at some sites, and they can have 3 or 4 Barbaras, as well as Barbara A, Barbara B, Barbara C, etc.

And when you have a network of more than 1 site, where the name of the model is supposed to stay the same (because they have a search by model name feature), you search for material on a model named Barbara, because you like her content at DevilsFilm, the search reports that Barbara appears at Silverstone DVD (part of the same network), the search does not report what clips Barbara is featured in at Silverstone DVD. You go to Silverstone DVD, you look at the Barbara clips, and it's not the same model Barbara. So you look at the Barbara B and Barbara C and whatever at Silverstone DVD, and the Barbara you were looking for does not appear at Silverstone DVD.

The above search just happened for me a few days ago, I forget just what actual name I was searching for. And I gave up looking for additional material on that model, it's not worth the effort.

The model I was searching for has many different names associated with her, at different sites.

I don't think the models control the names they appear under. My idea is that the site controls the name of the model.

And most porn models don't really think of branding themselves to become a "star". Most porn models are in the business for a short time before they leave, I believe.

In conclusion:
1. It would be much easier to find a model's material if she was listed under a single name.
2. I don't believe the names used for the model are under the model's control.
3. I agree with your thinking that a model could build up brand value if she stuck with a single name. But since a model doesn't usually control her "name", and since most models aren't thinking of a career in porn but are more focused on making some short-term cash from a job, the use of multiple names for a model will continue. (And there are other reasons why models have multiple names. I'm sure some models would prefer to have a "stage name" that is never associated with their real name, etc.).

I do tend to ramble.

11-08-10  06:59pm - 5120 days #3
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I have gone to rame.net and typed in the names I knew models by and they list any alias they may have gone by. Many have bee known by several names. Like Justin Joli has gone by Swan and Hope. Don't ask me where she used the name Hope, because I have never seen it and I am one of her fans. Warning Will Robinson

11-08-10  10:15pm - 5119 days #4
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Don't forget to check out Goldfish's thread "What's in a name?" from earlier this year. It may have some answers for you, or then again it may not. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-09-10  08:54am - 5119 days #5
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Don't forget to check out Goldfish's thread "What's in a name?" from earlier this year. It may have some answers for you, or then again it may not.


Thanks for the link. I just posted this to that thread:
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Originally Posted by Monahan:

While I understand the point that Khan raises, that the webmaster may not know the name in the first place so he/she assigns a random name, that does not seem quite right.

After the Tracy Lords mess totally changed the legal aspects of porn in the 1980's, it was the responsibility of the purveyor of porn to establish with positive evidence that all models were over the age of 18. That remains the case today.

So how is it possible that the webmaster who is posting material of a very young looking babe willing to do so without first vetting the model thoroughly to avoid the serious legal consequences of promoting child pornography?

If the webmaster is relying on his source to do the vetting, the webmaster is taking one huge gamble; much like a girl taking the guy's word for it that he doesn't have AIDS.

I don't buy it that the webmaster doesn't know the model's real name or stage name. Rather I suspect the issue is, as stated by others, laziness or some other motive such as creating a notion of exclusiveness.

11-09-10  09:10am - 5119 days #6
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Both this thread AND the Goldfish's.......

We've been over this again and again - BUT it's still very essential...

Too many sites tend to go by other/alternative/alias model-names - just some: Karups all, Nubiles, Teensexmoves ... and the last it's all those sites from Tony Bucks, S&S Royal ltd, ect...

But again: I have not got the slightest idea WHY - but maybe this:
All those new and older models have had different names during their career - and I guess they (the models) have nothing to say here...

The only relief I get is searching one or two names - and then you can get all the others - still the best for euro-models - where this problem is most serious - you have:
http://www.eurobabeindex.com/sbandomain.html "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

11-10-10  03:18pm - 5118 days #7
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I know several models who occasionally change their stage name. Often they say that they got bored of that "character" so they change their hairstyle and pick another name. It's annoying, but I guess they are not bothered about brand building.

Also some models didn't choose a stage name when they started out and just let the sites they worked for pick something. Later on they took more control themselves and choose something else, but from then on you can find them appearing under different names. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

11-10-10  05:12pm - 5118 days #8
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I've been told by at least one webmaster that they use the names the models choose to use. I can't remember which site, though.

But there you have it: Sites choose their names, models choose their own names, models change their names, models change their hair and tits and change their names, and alterations occur of names both trivial and annoying (such as a different first vowel in spelling).

Niki Nikki Nicky Nickee Nykee!!

I remember realizing how many different versions of Holly Sampson I had filed under different names. Finally got it all together in one place on my computer.

But even worse are the Russians and Ukrainians who have a different name for nearly every site they're on.

It's annoying, for sure. Maybe these chicks need to be drawn to a nice workshop on branding EARLY in their careers. They can work out their "brands," stick to them, and go from there.

You don't build a fucking brand by changing your name 15 times or more. Imagine if Coke did that. One week it's "OK Cola" and the next is "Kooky Cola."

Gimme a break! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

11-11-10  05:43am - 5117 days #9
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"You don't build a fucking brand by changing your name 15 times or more." (quote from Droolers input).

Well, that's bottom line for this user.....and besides at the moment I'm really fed up with arranging those models with a lot of different names in my stash. ( and oh, yes - the easteuro models are the worse) "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

11-11-10  07:39am - 5117 days #10
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Most of the East European models really don't seem to care what they are called. But they often have names which sounds unpleasant to us in the west so websites pick something more appealing. Without any knowledge of what sites she has previously appeared on (she quite often won't know as her videos/photos have been sold on by content suppliers) there's no way of maintaining continuity. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

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