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| 02-16-21 06:33pm - 1362 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Excellent Article By Cherie DeVille on Attacks on PornHub https://www.thedailybeast.com/stop-liste...ars?via=twitter_page | |
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| 02-17-21 04:11am - 1361 days | #2 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
It took me a couple of tries to get the free access but I was able to do that. Interesting article. Thanks for sharing it. I have to say that I sensed a bit of a bad smell from this story right from the beginning. It had the flavour of a witch hunt, which is what it has turned into. Edited on Feb 17, 2021, 09:27am | |
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| 02-17-21 03:55pm - 1361 days | #3 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
It's not new that conservatives are attacking porn. They've done it for decades. Maybe they're getting smarter, by saying that instead of being against porn, all they want is to protect innocent women and children, so that's why porn should be made illegal and banned. Also, everyone knows that porn encourages men to molest innocent women and children, because normal men don't have the intelligence to distinguish between porn fantasies and real life. | |
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| 02-18-21 12:15pm - 1360 days | #4 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
^ That argument is an old one too. Remember the running joke in The Simpsons with Maude Flanders saying "Won't somebody think of the children!" Same old arguments... I'm definitely sharing the link to that article. I think this guy is on a crusade. | |
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| 02-18-21 12:54pm - 1360 days | #5 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
While the article is fine as one person's perspective, it's pretty much letting Mindgeek / Pornhub off the hook for issues that still exist and for practices that should never have been allowed to exist. My whopping 2 cents as someone who is not an insider in that world pretty much comes down to 2 points: First, Pornhub (which is owned by Mindgeek which owns a lot of the major porn production companies and digital platforms) is the 2,000 lb. gorilla of internet porn – think of them as bad actor Amazon or YouTube (pre Instagram and TikTok days). They dictate what goes on and how, they control the search and ranking algorithms and they dictate terms of payment and their attitude is pretty much that any sellers who work with them should just shut up and be happy with whatever money flows their way. For years Pornhub pretty much stiffed people and production companies on royalties by allowing pirated content (basically unverified users submitting their own cuts and montages of download porn). They relied on multiple layers of corporate entities to create a buffer from legal claims and the fact if you didn't want to play by their rules they could make life real difficult for you since they control so much of the porn real estate by acting as the main gateway for a lot of general porn users into the porn universe. Pornhub's focus until quite recently was on it's bottom line and control of market share, not the people it worked with (the author of the article linked to in this thread freely admits that). This may be changing, I don't really know, but I doubt that the royalties coming in to legitimate contributors are what they probably should be – a problem the porn industry has faced since day one. Second, Pornhub itself is ultimately responsible for the shitshow that happened. Until recently, Pornhub exercised very little content control / oversight in comparison to the volume of content it carried. Imagine if Youtube only had a few hundred people to review content for copyright infringement and illegal content – it doesn't take long for bad things to start popping up. From my understanding it was also pretty easy to sign up and post material – basically checking boxes that would never be verified as origin, copyright, etc. That's why it ended up with boatload of pirated content and content that, yes, featured rape and underage sex that could be searched for pretty easily as long it was wasn't explicitly tagged as such. It was only after the NYTimes article appeared and the Visa/Mastercard blow up happened that Pornhub suddenly woke up and said “Whhhhaaaaatttt?” When faced with an existential threat (aka loss of money and legal problems brewing) it's surprising how quickly companies change. Cherie Deville wrote the article in question here. She's been in the porn biz a long time and is in a position to make money from Pornhub. That's not the case for most. I'm sorry she's looking at a loss of revenue right now as I like some of her stuff and I want the porn industry to exist and keep putting out good content. In times like these I can see where the Pornhub mess is costing her a lot. At the same time though, I compare it to be being caught in a difficult situation and being forced to rely on someone who got you into this mess to start with and still isn't really being your friend. | |
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| 02-21-21 04:13pm - 1357 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I agree with you take and I will add that if Cherie thinks what happened to PH is a witch hunt then she must have a very short memory because less than 15 years ago Max Hardcore and in a smaller part John Stagliano could show her what a witch hunt really looks like. At this point no one at PornHub/ModelHub or Mindgeek has been accused of a crime. They have lost their CC processor which granted is basically a stake through the heart of any porn business but you have already well explained that Mindgeek has never been a fair or decent porn company. They basically screwed every other porn studio for years until only a few were left alive and the rest they bought for peanuts. Unless PH/MH was offering a significantly larger portion of the protits to their registered models then I honestly don't see why Cherie is bothered with what happened to PH. I mean you still have Many Vids and C4S that can offer a similar service for models. I also think that if there is money to be made from having that kind of site then somebody not owned by Mindgeek could start their own site offering themselves to all the models who used PH/MH to post videos. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-21-21 09:20pm - 1357 days | #7 | |
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LKLK (0)
Active User Posts: 1,583 Registered: Jun 26, '19 Location: CA |
When I read the article: https://www.thedailybeast.com/stop-liste...ars?via=twitter_page It seems that Pornhub is accused of a crime: allowing child porn and rape videos to be posted on their site. Separately, I agree with your statement: "They have lost their CC processor which granted is basically a stake through the heart of any porn business..." I'm not saying that Pornhub is a fair or benevolent company. But if it's a way for models to make money, then cutting Pornhub access to credit card companies is an attack on the ability of porn performers to make money. In spite of the fact that there are other sites/platforms that models can use. I remember back in the day (1970s, 1980s), when Penthouse and Playboy were still popular magazines, that convenience stores and magazine shops could not openly display those magazines, but had to hide them under the counter, and if a customer wanted to buy a copy, they had to know the store stocked the magazine, and ask specifically to buy the magazine. Cutting off Pornhub from credit card companies is a strong form of censorship, which I don't agree with. (Disclaimer: I'm not associated with porn, except as a consumer.) | |
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