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10-17-08  10:43am - 5910 days Original Post - #1
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Effect of Membership Pricing on Decision to Join a Site

There have been a few polls on this subject but I'm curious what strategies other have in deciding to join a site from a pricing standpoint.

After finding good sites using the reviews on PU and checking out the preview material, and if the biller is either CCBill or Epoch (PayComm), I then look at price.

It's my observation that any site that's worth a shit will ask for $19.95 or more but once in a while a small, single model site will go for less.

My personal max for a single site is $29.95 on the basis that there are a ton of good sites (I have over 70 in "My Favorites") that are priced at, or below, $29.95 and see no reason to spend more than that even for a totally outstanding site.

My budget is set at $90 a month 3 (sites X $29.95). I have found that many (most?) sites offer "stick around" discounts so I now have one site at $5.95 a month, 2 at $9.95 a month, one at $14.95 and one at $19.95, all of which started at $29.95 a month. That lets me join one additional site each month at $29.95 and stay within budget.

The strategy causes me to have some sites that I go to only once in a while but there is enough good stuff that I'll hold onto the great price.

I've signed up for multiple months on some sites when the 3 or 6 month price is really good, but only after I've signed up for a month to check it out thoroughly. I adjust my budget accordingly.

I'm curious what other members do in this regard. How do you factor pricing into your decision process?

10-17-08  11:22am - 5910 days #2
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The most I'll pay to a new site I don't know much about is $24.95 ($25) but if the site's a good site and I've seen good content from them I'll happily pay $29.99 a month (assuming they're still constantly updating).

I honestly wish sites had a trial period where you can see all the videos, but in terms of downloading/streaming them you'd only get something like a few full videos to download (maybe that were added a month or so ago) and the rest of the videos would be something like extended trailer. Something to give you a good look at what you're about to commit to. I know like everyone else I've paid money for a site I thought I was into but really I wasn't at all.

10-17-08  12:07pm - 5910 days #3
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Pricing is pretty important and it has caused me to hold off on some good sites that I have been wanting to join. The thing I hate is when you wait too long and the damn price goes up again.

A retention offer has to be pretty good for me to bite on it and stay for a while. There must a good amount of large updates and no more than $10 per month for me to even consider staying. VideoBox and Brazzers are the only two so far who fall under that catagory for me. Hungarian Honeys is pretty close though, I pay $10 per month for them too.

They I look at it is do I really want the material as it is released or can I stand to wait a while to get it. If a site is $30 normally and $10 as a discount if you stay it can be a lot cheaper to cancel and pay full price again letter if you do not mind skipping at least 3 months inbetween joining. I usually wait at least a year, so there is plenty of new content to warrant paying full price again. This is especially true now since many updates are in HD.

I do not set and actually budget for myself. I usually can stay with in reason anyway. I try to stay with only one addition site at a time, and possibly two. This way I can focus on those sites and not get my download ability stretched too thin. Like right now I am downloading from reality kings and digital desire only some of the time because they require manual input and queuing does not work well. When I am away or sleeping I download from Videobox since I can queue up days worth of downloads and only run that queue when the other sites are idle.

Fortunately TBP and PU have saved me a lot of money on keeping me from joining bad sites and going out and getting discounts for us. This helps make the budget stretch a little farther. Even the raffle has helped. I have bought several hard drives using that money (thought you would like to know it goes towards porn collecting).

Oh yes, Monahan brought up a very good point. The billing is very important. I like CCBill the best and Epoch is not bad either. VXS or VSX, which ever it is, I do not like because they have to send it in an email form as a "request" and it can take several days to get a cancellation notice. The fact that it is a "request" kinda makes me feel like they think they have the option of saying no. They do not call it an "order" which is exactly what it is. When I push cancel I am expecting them to say "yes sir" but it sounds more like they think they should say "well let me think it over, I will get back to you in a few days in regards to your money and how I spend it."

I think some sites are getting pretty expensive. I have paid over $40 for a single site on two occasions. That is just too much money and it was not even truly worth it. For a site to command that kind of money they better be able to offer me anything I want. So, if I say I want to see a midget standing on his head screwing a pregnant transsexual while fisting another woman, that is exactly what I should be able to see for that kind of money. The fact is you are hard pressed to find EXACTLY what you want and only that kind of site would be worth that much money.

Honestly I have a hard time throwing out $30 for a site, but it seems any more that is where it is going. I was going to join DDFCup a month or so ago and shit when I seen the price had gone up to $35 a month.

Anyway, enough ranting on. Very good forum topic. i will be interested to see what others are saying. "For example, badandy400 has taken it upon himself to become the one man Library of Congress for porn with a collection that surely will be in Guinness Book of World Records some day." ~Toadsith~

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10-17-08  06:11pm - 5909 days #4
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Pricing is always important to me. Afterall I work hard for my money and spending it on a site or network where I'm not satisfied, will not make me very happy. I consider
any amount below 30$ as acceptable for a single site. The price below that 30$, should be based on the amount and the quality of content offered by that site. any thing above 30$ is aceptable for a network acess.

There are dozens of sites that are on my wish list. Their content looks really good, but I'm just not sure I want to spend the money on them. At some point the content will simply make it impossible not to join. I don't think I'll ever be in a position to join more than 2 sites per month simply because with the advent of HD, and my being limited to 100G max monthly download. I do not wish to pay for the site and then pay my internet provider for overdownloading. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-17-08  09:43pm - 5909 days #5
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I have to say I'm still disappointed that TBP took cost out of the ratings. It's still one of the first things I look at when considering joining a new site. And, from the amount of times cost has been brought up here, I see it still figures in with a lot of other people too.

I don't get too intricate with it. Usually, if a site's more than $30, it's got to have a very unique niche covered or have enough hi-def video to keep me downloading pretty steadily for that month. That's why sites like Femjoy probably won't see me again - To me, that's too much money for a bunch of pictures, no matter how high the resolution.

The only time I ever rebilled was by mistake. Even at a $10 a month discount, I see it as cheaper to rejoin at full price down the road, letting a site build the content up for six months or more.

Having said all that, one might be able to see from my lack of recent reviews that money is tight here. For some reason, I like having food in the refrigerator more than I do porn on the hard drives... Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

10-17-08  09:49pm - 5909 days #6
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I have to say I'm still disappointed that TBP took cost out of the ratings. It's still one of the first things I look at when considering joining a new site. And, from the amount of times cost has been brought up here, I see it still figures in with a lot of other people too.

I don't get too intricate with it. Usually, if a site's more than $30, it's got to have a very unique niche covered or have enough hi-def video to keep me downloading pretty steadily for that month.


I have to agree to a point, as well.
Because I look at the TBP and see sites that may have a 95 and there 39.00 wow I tend to stear away fast.
I have a modest income and perhaps with the economy they will change it.
My own view is a review site has to desicide is content or price teh factor?
Its called Porn Users. not Cheap Porn, perhaps a daughter site called cheapporn users lol.

But why I liked thE price asa variable.
AM GLAD ITS BASED ON QUALITY. Since 2007

10-18-08  10:30am - 5909 days #7
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I have to say I'm still disappointed that TBP took cost out of the ratings. It's still one of the first things I look at when considering joining a new site. And, from the amount of times cost has been brought up here, I see it still figures in with a lot of other people too.
I understand your point but cost is relative and a great site at $39.95 is still a great site. Despite the strategic pricing failure of the site, if it's otherwise a superior site it should be rated that way. A BMW is still an excellent vehicle even if it is far too expensive and its high cost should not negatively affect a review of its performance. But, much as I would like to own one, I'll never buy (or lease) one because there are great cars available at far better prices.

Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


... For some reason, I like having food in the refrigerator more than I do porn on the hard drives...
Clearly your priorities are mixed up. I thought man was supposed to be able to live on porn alone. ;o)

10-18-08  10:46am - 5909 days #8
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I believe 30 dollar is a fair price for any site. If it is more expensive, I will take a good look at the reviews and comments made on this website.

10-18-08  07:19pm - 5908 days #9
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I have not seen any ouitstanding sites over 30.00 ??? Since 2007

10-22-08  12:42pm - 5905 days #10
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10-22-08  02:32pm - 5905 days #11
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


I can only say that I've paid more than $30 for a site once (that was a network) and I wasn't overly impressed with the value. Like Colm4 notes, I don't see any sites over $30 that seem like "musts" for me.

Currently, I'm scouting out the TBP full trials and discounted sites. I'm guessing that as the economy continues to tank more sites are going to be offering discounts and trials in order to keep revenues up. Warren Buffet says the time to buy stock is when everyone else is panicking. My guess is that in the next few months we're going to see more deals so it might not be too bad of time to be downloading.



I am certainly looking forward to some discounted sites and soon, please, because my dollar just lost a quarter of its value during the past couple of months when measured against the US Dollar. The average site has now become too expensive for the average Canadian. I just got finished canceling all my sites to make sure none of them will renew by mistake.

10-22-08  04:58pm - 5905 days #12
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10-22-08  06:10pm - 5904 days #13
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


What? You guys just had an election and now your currency is tanking against the all impotent dollar? That's what you get for electing conservatives :) Don't worry, I'm sure everyone's exchange rate is probably going to get beat up in the midst of all this mess.


Yes, you're right, other currencies are suffering as well as prudent investors turn to the one safe bet in uncertain times: the U.S. Dollar. Seems a bit ironic since most of the mess was caused by Wall Street. :-) Ah, well, what goes down must come back up .. I'll just have to exercise some patience and keep my eyes open for specials. And I'll have you know that I didn't vote Conservative so don't anyone in Canada blame me for the dollar's dive! :-)

10-22-08  07:01pm - 5904 days #14
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Yes, you're right, other currencies are suffering as well as prudent investors turn to the one safe bet in uncertain times: the U.S. Dollar. Seems a bit ironic since most of the mess was caused by Wall Street. :-) Ah, well, what goes down must come back up .. I'll just have to exercise some patience and keep my eyes open for specials. And I'll have you know that I didn't vote Conservative so don't anyone in Canada blame me for the dollar's dive! :-)


You guys had to talk about the dollar going down. Well thank You, now it's below 80 cents US. Actually it's great news for Canadians Businesses. The high value of our dollar doesn't help our trade, nor does it help to get Americans to come up to Canada for vacations or for studios to choose Canada to film their movies.

It does suck for anyone wanting to go on vacation in the US or to buy anything in US dollars. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-22-08  08:00pm - 5904 days #15
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Originally Posted by pat362:


You guys had to talk about the dollar going down. Well thank You, now it's below 80 cents US. Actually it's great news for Canadians Businesses. The high value of our dollar doesn't help our trade, nor does it help to get Americans to come up to Canada for vacations or for studios to choose Canada to film their movies.


w00t - now I have even more incentive to visit Montreal some more!

Oh and um, that would be bad for your vacations I suppose, but who wants to visit the US anyway? Why not go to the Caribbean or something? :-D "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  11:42am - 5904 days #16
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Originally Posted by pat362:


You guys had to talk about the dollar going down. Well thank You, now it's below 80 cents US. Actually it's great news for Canadians Businesses. The high value of our dollar doesn't help our trade, nor does it help to get Americans to come up to Canada for vacations or for studios to choose Canada to film their movies.

It does suck for anyone wanting to go on vacation in the US or to buy anything in US dollars.


I know it's great for business etc. but what about my porn sites! <wail>

10-23-08  11:50am - 5904 days #17
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


w00t - now I have even more incentive to visit Montreal some more!

Oh and um, that would be bad for your vacations I suppose, but who wants to visit the US anyway? Why not go to the Caribbean or something? :-D


Tell the truth, I have no great desire to take a vacation in Canada either, there's too many miles of bush and wheat to traverse in order to get where I really long to be: The Mountains! And my SO doesn't particularly care for those either because she's seen the Alps, together with romantic Swiss chalets and quaint medieval towns and, in her mind, nothing will ever beat that!

10-23-08  11:59am - 5904 days #18
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Tell the truth, I have no great desire to take a vacation in Canada either, there's too many miles of bush and wheat to traverse in order to get where I really long to be:


Been, there done that, yawned as I was there.
I am sure Cananda is ok for Canadians LOL.
But I hold my self to a higher standards LOL.

Send hate Mail to hehehe.

Actually went during winter and it was awsome, but many places are few and far between. Ever fly in a 15 passnger
dual prop plane flying over Lake Ontario that takes 4 hours and you get the idea of what slow is LOL.

Not even sure how my post fit in. Randomness. Since 2007

10-23-08  02:16pm - 5904 days #19
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Been, there done that, yawned as I was there.
I am sure Cananda is ok for Canadians LOL.
But I hold my self to a higher standards LOL.

Send hate Mail to hehehe.

Actually went during winter and it was awsome, but many places are few and far between. Ever fly in a 15 passnger
dual prop plane flying over Lake Ontario that takes 4 hours and you get the idea of what slow is LOL.

Not even sure how my post fit in. Randomness.


No hate mail coming from this quarter, Cybertoad. We're too laid back for that! But you described it perfectly with many places indeed being too few and far between. That's always been my problem. Take a trip to Europe and there is some romantic town (and good food) around every corner. Travel in Canada and there are hours where you don't see a house. The size of this place is overwhelming. I love it because of the proverbial politeness of the average Canadian but if you have to drive two days to see something different .. naw .. I'd just as soon stay home and look at porn!

10-23-08  02:25pm - 5904 days #20
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Tell the truth, I have no great desire to take a vacation in Canada either, there's too many miles of bush and wheat to traverse in order to get where I really long to be: The Mountains! And my SO doesn't particularly care for those either because she's seen the Alps, together with romantic Swiss chalets and quaint medieval towns and, in her mind, nothing will ever beat that!

A trip from Jaspar to Banff on the Iceland Parkway is fantastic. If you liked the Alps, Swiss, Italian and/or French, you'll love the Canadian Rockies.

10-23-08  02:40pm - 5904 days #21
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


w00t - now I have even more incentive to visit Montreal some more!

Oh and um, that would be bad for your vacations I suppose, but who wants to visit the US anyway? Why not go to the Caribbean or something? :-D


I don't know if you are a fan of strip clubs and such, but your dollar is going to go way further that it has in 3yrs.
If notm then you can enjoy some amazing restaurants Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Oct 23, 2008, 02:45pm

10-23-08  02:44pm - 5904 days #22
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Tell the truth, I have no great desire to take a vacation in Canada either, there's too many miles of bush and wheat to traverse in order to get where I really long to be: The Mountains! And my SO doesn't particularly care for those either because she's seen the Alps, together with romantic Swiss chalets and quaint medieval towns and, in her mind, nothing will ever beat that!


I can't speak from experience because I've never been to Europe but you have to admit that Lake Louise is in one word: BREATHTAKING. It may not compare to the ASlps, but then again the Cdn$ isn't fairing well againt the Euro either. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-23-08  02:45pm - 5904 days #23
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I don't know if you are a fan of strip clubs amd such, but your dollar is going to go way further that it has in 3yrs.


lol - I heard that when they were filming 300 in Montreal, Gerard Butler could be found at the strip clubs every night "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  03:08pm - 5904 days #24
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A trip from Jaspar to Banff on the Iceland Parkway is fantastic. If you liked the Alps, Swiss, Italian and/or French, you'll love the Canadian Rockies.


I'm sure I would love the Rockies but seeing that I live about as far away from them as you could get, visiting there has always been a dream and nothing more. Switzerland is actually closer and is my wife's dream destination so .... ! :-)

10-23-08  03:18pm - 5904 days #25
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I can't speak from experience because I've never been to Europe but you have to admit that Lake Louise is in one word: BREATHTAKING. It may not compare to the ASlps, but then again the Cdn$ isn't fairing well againt the Euro either.


Hi pat362, that's why I was mentioning "the mountains!" I did have Banff, Lake Louise etc. in mind when I wrote that. Trouble is I live in the Maritimes and except for Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg what is there between here and there that would make for an interesting trip?

And when it comes to flying directly to Alberta, Europe is actually closer to us and is a clear winner with my wife. She can't see where mountains are any good if they don't have a cluster of charming chalets and medieval towns at their feet. :-)

10-23-08  06:33pm - 5903 days #26
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lol - I heard that when they were filming 300 in Montreal, Gerard Butler could be found at the strip clubs every night


I can only speak from hear say, but I'm told that there some pretty kinky things that happen in Montreal Strip Clubs. A warning or suggestion, but be careful if you mention that it's your birthday. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-23-08  06:35pm - 5903 days #27
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I'm sure I would love the Rockies but seeing that I live about as far away from them as you could get, visiting there has always been a dream and nothing more. Switzerland is actually closer and is my wife's dream destination so .... ! :-)


Wow - how far east are you in Canada? I checked the distance from St. John's in Newfoundland to both Zürich, Switzerland and Boulder Colorado and even that far east Boulder came in the winner at 2632 miles (4235km) - Zürich was 2805 miles (4514km). Granted that's pretty damn close to the same and given the choice I pick Switzerland myself, lol

Wait, you aren't in Grise Fiord, Nunavut, are you? That would be bloody far away! "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  06:39pm - 5903 days #28
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Hi pat362, that's why I was mentioning "the mountains!" I did have Banff, Lake Louise etc. in mind when I wrote that. Trouble is I live in the Maritimes and except for Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg what is there between here and there that would make for an interesting trip?

And when it comes to flying directly to Alberta, Europe is actually closer to us and is a clear winner with my wife. She can't see where mountains are any good if they don't have a cluster of charming chalets and medieval towns at their feet. :-)


I have to agree that Eastern Canada to Calgary is a very long trip, and probably quite expensive to fly there. I sometimes forget just how big Canada is. We want to drive across Confederation bridge next summer. It's kind of embarassing to say that I've nver been to PEI or NB. I've met people from there and the general consensus has always been that they are the nicest people you will ever meet. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-23-08  06:43pm - 5903 days #29
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Trouble is I live in the Maritimes and except for Quebec City, Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg what is there between here and there that would make for an interesting trip?


Whoops - I guess you already answered my previous question :-)

I'd say the Rockies are closer to you (unless you insist on staying in Canada, lol) but I gotta say I'd choose the Alps every time - much more interesting and lots of great driving roads to boot! Though apparently Switzerland itself is very strange about driving, Italy (if you are in an Italian supercar) and Germany I hear are the best places in Western Europe for driving. Then again, most people don't rent a car when they visit Europe, so this probably isn't of much interest. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  06:45pm - 5903 days #30
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I can only speak from hear say, but I'm told that there some pretty kinky things that happen in Montreal Strip Clubs. A warning or suggestion, but be careful if you mention that it's your birthday.


lol - I will bear that in mind, I'm guessing that is something like ordering some specific champagne when you are Vegas? "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  06:48pm - 5903 days #31
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We want to drive across Confederation bridge next summer.


I was going to suggest trying Google Street View but apparently Google's prying eyes have yet to turn toward Canada. You can drive across the Golden Gate Bridge or most other famous American bridges with it. Not quite the same thing, but nifty none-the-less. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  06:54pm - 5903 days #32
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A trip from Jaspar to Banff on the Iceland Parkway is fantastic. If you liked the Alps, Swiss, Italian and/or French, you'll love the Canadian Rockies.


Just looked it up on Google Maps - the Sat photos look awesome! So that parkway, does it, um, have a speed limit?

(No interest in going 150, but 90 can occasionally be enjoyable on interesting roads.) "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  07:51pm - 5903 days #33
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I have to agree that Eastern Canada to Calgary is a very long trip, and probably quite expensive to fly there. I sometimes forget just how big Canada is. We want to drive across Confederation bridge next summer. It's kind of embarassing to say that I've nver been to PEI or NB. I've met people from there and the general consensus has always been that they are the nicest people you will ever meet.


Not to forget Nova Scotia! :-) The Navy brought me here but the people made me stay!

10-23-08  08:02pm - 5903 days #34
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Whoops - I guess you already answered my previous question :-)

I'd say the Rockies are closer to you (unless you insist on staying in Canada, lol) but I gotta say I'd choose the Alps every time - much more interesting and lots of great driving roads to boot! Though apparently Switzerland itself is very strange about driving, Italy (if you are in an Italian supercar) and Germany I hear are the best places in Western Europe for driving. Then again, most people don't rent a car when they visit Europe, so this probably isn't of much interest.


I always assumed that Europe was closer to where I live than the Rockies, but maybe not! We loved the Alps ourselves and the superhighways in Switzerland, Austria, Germany were excellent. I rented a car each time we visited and enjoyed the German Autobahn especially since they had no speed limits at the time. Mind you the local drivers could be a bit rude with anyone who showed any hesitation because he didn't know his way around and got in their way! I don't know about Switzerland's strangeness when it comes to driving except that they made you pay a fee at their border if you wanted to use their highways. My absolutely favorite spot on this planet is a Swiss area called the "Berner Oberland" (we called it Heidi country).

10-23-08  08:04pm - 5903 days #35
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


Wow - how far east are you in Canada? I checked the distance from St. John's in Newfoundland to both Z&#65533;rich, Switzerland and Boulder Colorado and even that far east Boulder came in the winner at 2632 miles (4235km) - Z&#65533;rich was 2805 miles (4514km). Granted that's pretty damn close to the same and given the choice I pick Switzerland myself, lol

Wait, you aren't in Grise Fiord, Nunavut, are you? That would be bloody far away!


I just made a toadsith "oops" by reading this post last. I stand corrected when it comes to the distances. :-)

10-23-08  08:17pm - 5903 days #36
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I always assumed that Europe was closer to where I live than the Rockies, but maybe not! We loved the Alps ourselves and the superhighways in Switzerland, Austria, Germany were excellent. I rented a car each time we visited and enjoyed the German Autobahn especially since they had no speed limits at the time. Mind you the local drivers could be a bit rude with anyone who showed any hesitation because he didn't know his way around and got in their way! I don't know about Switzerland's strangeness when it comes to driving except that they made you pay a fee at their border if you wanted to use their highways. My absolutely favorite spot on this planet is a Swiss area called the "Berner Oberland" (we called it Heidi country).


Isn't it such a tragedy that parts of the Autobahn are slowing down? What is the difference between 80 mph or 120 mph? At either speed if you hit a wall the result will be the same. I suppose there will always be the Nurburgring - some day I'd love to visit that and drive it until I can at least break the 10 minute mark (Sabine Schmitz almost did it with a cargo van, lol).

According to my favorite car show (ye ol' Top Gear) Switzerland are very good at policing their roads, motoring is tightly regulated, resulting in some strange laws. Apparently you cannot wash your car on Sunday due to a noise pollution law. Frankly I hadn't though of that as a huge noise problem, but I suppose if everybody in the country decided to wash their cars on that one day it would be an issue. Though I suspect it would be a water issue first. Anyway, I would love to go for a driving holiday just about anywhere in Europe, Switzerland included :-D "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-23-08  08:22pm - 5903 days #37
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Not to forget Nova Scotia! :-) The Navy brought me here but the people made me stay!


Ah Nova Scotia, some people say it reminds them of Scotland - strange isn't? :-D I've yet to travel that far east in Canada, despite my Grandparents having lived there for a time (mid 80's I think). The thing they missed most from there was the access to the fresh fish - a rather food oriented family we are, lol "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"

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10-24-08  12:18am - 5903 days #38
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I have to agree that Eastern Canada to Calgary is a very long trip, and probably quite expensive to fly there. I sometimes forget just how big Canada is.


Was about 700.00 US three transfers in 98 last was there.
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10-24-08  07:04pm - 5902 days #39
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


Ah Nova Scotia, some people say it reminds them of Scotland - strange isn't? :-D I've yet to travel that far east in Canada, despite my Grandparents having lived there for a time (mid 80's I think). The thing they missed most from there was the access to the fresh fish - a rather food oriented family we are, lol


If you love seafood and were used to it being less than a week old, then it would give you feelings of longing.
For most of us the term fresh when discussing seafood is an oxymoron.

At least if decide to visit Montreal then you won't be disapointed by the variety, quantity, availability, and prices. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-24-08  07:06pm - 5902 days #40
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Was about 700.00 US three transfers in 98 last was there.
Ontario ( northbay)


That was expensive for 98, but worse is those 3 transfers. I balk at one transfer. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-24-08  10:15pm - 5902 days #41
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It actually would be a great time for a Canadian vacation - and currency valuation definitely matters. I went on a tip to Europe mid-September - Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Czech Republic - and the US dollar was so beaten up there was nothing cheap about any of those places - plus people in the Czech Republic just can't cook - anything. They need to get some Hungarians to come over and teach them, cause it's disgusting how bad it is - as bad as England was when I was there, but at least in England you could go to a Pakistani restaurant and get decent food. Nobody can cook, it seems, in the Czech Republic.

This bit with the incredibly fast slide of the Canadian currency, though, that's pretty intense. My sympathies.

As to this thing about pricing - does pricing matter? Of course it does! Unless you're wealthy - in which case, you're probably hiring expensive escorts instead, then price is a big deal. I've joined a site every once in a while that was more than $25 a month, but never for very long at all. I'll be much more likely to join a site for multiple months to get the lower price, than to pay a higher monthly price - and if I don't think the site is going to be worth joining for the longer period, then I'll skip it altogether. Edited on Oct 24, 2008, 10:18pm

10-25-08  05:48pm - 5901 days #42
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


It actually would be a great time for a Canadian vacation - and currency valuation definitely matters. I went on a tip to Europe mid-September - Hungary, Slovakia, Austria, Czech Republic - and the US dollar was so beaten up there was nothing cheap about any of those places - plus people in the Czech Republic just can't cook - anything. They need to get some Hungarians to come over and teach them, cause it's disgusting how bad it is - as bad as England was when I was there, but at least in England you could go to a Pakistani restaurant and get decent food. Nobody can cook, it seems, in the Czech Republic.

This bit with the incredibly fast slide of the Canadian currency, though, that's pretty intense. My sympathies.

As to this thing about pricing - does pricing matter? Of course it does! Unless you're wealthy - in which case, you're probably hiring expensive escorts instead, then price is a big deal. I've joined a site every once in a while that was more than $25 a month, but never for very long at all. I'll be much more likely to join a site for multiple months to get the lower price, than to pay a higher monthly price - and if I don't think the site is going to be worth joining for the longer period, then I'll skip it altogether.


I doubt if I'll get back to Europe soon but thanks for the tip re. Czech food. I didn't think it was possible to get a bad meal in Europe (England excluded .. but before anyone from the U.K. takes offense, I hear that the food has improved considerably since I was there last). And thanks for the expression of sympathy regarding the precipitous slide of the Canadian Dollar. :-)

10-25-08  11:45pm - 5901 days #43
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Originally Posted by pat362:


That was expensive for 98, but worse is those 3 transfers. I balk at one transfer.


Yea and that lovely 3 hour lay over in Denver and 5 In Toronto . Bliss I tell ya LOL.
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11-05-08  11:27am - 5891 days #44
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I know this thread is alittle old but I'm a newer member here and figured I'd post my 2 cents.

The number one factor on whether I even consider a site is the price. 9 times outta 10 I won't sign up for any site $30+ without some very high ranking reviews and even then it's normally only for a month max. Or if they have a 3 month deal, I'm more willing to spend the extra up front to try it out for a month and then sign up for the 3 month deal.

My second factor is what billing company they use. If a only uses Epoch, I will not sign up for them under any circumstances. I had a credit card number stolen after signing up for a site with Epoch, which included some unauthorized charges from Epoch. I didn't have 2 pieces of information, no subscription id or email since I didn't sign up, so they said they couldn't help me. And my former bank wouldn't do anything becuase I authorized the first charge. Needless to say I now use Discover Cards Secure Online Account numbers for almost everything I buy online anymore and I'll never use Epoch again. That's why I haven't tried Karups Hometown Amateurs yet, no Discover Cards.

11-05-08  12:55pm - 5891 days #45
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey99:


...My second factor is what billing company they use. If a only uses Epoch, I will not sign up for them under any circumstances. I had a credit card number stolen after signing up for a site with Epoch, which included some unauthorized charges from Epoch. I didn't have 2 pieces of information, no subscription id or email since I didn't sign up, so they said they couldn't help me. And my former bank wouldn't do anything becuase I authorized the first charge. Needless to say I now use Discover Cards Secure Online Account numbers for almost everything I buy online anymore and I'll never use Epoch again. That's why I haven't tried Karups Hometown Amateurs yet, no Discover Cards.

Interesting experience with Epoch. I've used them for several sites with no problems with Epoch. Site problems? You betcha. But they were caused by the site, not by Epoch.

11-05-08  02:00pm - 5891 days #46
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Originally Posted by Jeffrey99:


The number one factor on whether I even consider a site is the price. 9 times outta 10 I won't sign up for any site $30+ without some very high ranking reviews and even then it's normally only for a month max. Or if they have a 3 month deal, I'm more willing to spend the extra up front to try it out for a month and then sign up for the 3 month deal.


Hey Jeffrey99. I agree with your pricing philosophy. The best sites I've ever joined have been under $20 a month so there has to be something extraordinary for me to shell out more than $30. There are a few sites priced in Euros which typically turn out to be $30+ after the US dollar conversion. It's too bad because I may join some of them if they were cheaper.

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