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| 10-05-10 09:25am - 5154 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
"STUPID PORN" We've been around some of this before: producer/cameraman comments, ridiculous remarks ect. But some porn producers really bullshits the users: about model age and where they come from ect. - as a make believe or alike. And again: the male actor...not that I take much notice, but it can ruin the joy when a certified jerk is in on the act... Like: The latest Mina/Mirka hc-vids at ATK with this dark haired bodybuilder type and some talk to Mina/Mirka that just makes the entire scenes embarrassing - I enjoy my Mina/Mirka collection - but just skipped these vids, even is SHE is so cute - poor girl. And had another turn at Oye Loca (love latinas) - again the same deal and even worse: The Texas-born Odessa/Gia Marley is now "some blond Puerto Rican maid" (who tries to speak some spanish) and the "stud" is this - another bodybuilder who cannot get his arms down along with the body - looks like some weird biker who's going to to start a fist fight. And the dialog is put very simple: horrible! And Florida-girl Jasmin Tame is now from Uruguay ect... Who do they think they kid?? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Oct 05, 2010, 09:29am | |
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| 10-05-10 09:34am - 5154 days | #2 | |
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Advent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 103 Registered: Aug 13, '09 Location: Tampa, FL |
Hey Denner, I would very interested to see the ones you are speaking of. Could you send me the links? advent@atkcash.com I want to take a look at these and find out what is going on. I also want to see the scene so I can tell the photographer this type play is not going over well with our members. Thank you for your comments. It is only through our members comments we learn what they like and don't like, which in turn helps us provide a better site and experience. I hope to hear from you soon.  Owner Kick Ass PicturesCumEatingCuckolds, FootFetishDaily and Kick Ass Pictures Please feel free to contact me with concerns or comments, I would love to hear from you. | |
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| 10-05-10 03:57pm - 5154 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yeah, sometimes the girls are paired up with some real freakazoids, guys with all kinds of tats and chains and weird hair and pierced nibbles and so on. They definitely look like they came from the other side of the railroad tracks, and might be most easily located at the local Walmart. But I think sometimes these "critters" are actually the girls' boyfriends. How nice that they are staying faithful and true ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 10-05-10 05:26pm - 5154 days | #4 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
I'll take this opportunity to pile on, there is a video on ATK Galleria with if I remember correctly this girl, a hardcore scene where the guy is totally uninterested in the scene & the girl, he can't keep it up to save himself... scene starts with the typical blowjob, and, well, you'll see what the cameraman does   I'm sure it was supposed to be edited out before uploading, but... just one of those scenes one doesn't forget Edited on Oct 05, 2010, 05:32pm | |
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| 10-05-10 09:47pm - 5154 days | #5 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Contemporary Porn.....go figure. Now-a-days Introducing moronic innovations to "shock an' awe." Hell, man...If it ain't broke, don't fix it. | |
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| 10-06-10 12:50am - 5154 days | #6 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Links?.... There's only one Mina at ATK - you must be able to locate this at your own sites .... besides I do not mail or place links to files here for any reason. Sorry. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 10-06-10 09:52am - 5153 days | #8 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Totally agree with Denner. This is the reason I prefer little plot and little build up. This is at odds with those members who want lots of plot. The reality is, it's males and females who are paid to have sex on camera, so might as well get on with it. I far prefer that to some of the fast forward rubbish that takes up computer space and time. If they were actors they'd be acting. | |
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| 10-06-10 10:02am - 5153 days | #9 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Actually many of us don't want a plot as such .. we want foreplay that takes the form of a slow strip out of as much lingerie as can possibly be worn! Those Gonzo videos where one moment she is fully dressed and next moment buck nekkid just won't do! Thanks for giving me this opening to promote a very worthy cause, squirrel!  | |
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| 10-06-10 10:18am - 5153 days | #10 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
And furthermore don't I hate it when the male is half limp and is standing in front of the model masturbating himself back to erection .. must be a real ego booster for both. Editors should cut scenes like that. Plus the glaring element of deception in some DVDs. "Screw My Wife .. Please!" is a classic example. I saw an interview with the producer of that series on late night television recently and he proclaimed with a straight face that they received something like 7-8000 requests from genuine couples yearly and that they couldn't possibly accommodate them all, yet half of their videos (or so it seems) feature the same two guys as husbands/boyfriends/friends. Of course it's all an illusion and we know it but if someone like chubby Janeiro (Janiero?) proclaims for the umpteenth time with the umpteenth model that "we've been married for x amount of years" with a straight face I get nauseous. For that reason I've deleted the whole series. If you want to fool us effectively, and you should in order to help us with our fantasies, you should make the scenes look as authentic as possible. BTW, the same two guys are also the husbands/boyfriends etc. in those Taj Mahal videos with all those make believe "Indian" females. Boy, talk about bigamists! | |
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| 10-06-10 11:43am - 5153 days | #11 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Agree with messmer too. All the talking and waffling time could be used for a slow strip. It's the talking, acting, waffling that pisses me off, but a slow strip is part of the action. I just want the action, forget the plot. | |
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| 10-06-10 12:31pm - 5153 days | #12 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Well, if you put it that way I'm with you all the way, squirrel! | |
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| 10-06-10 07:24pm - 5153 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I like a little plot because it can add to the scene but it requires talent and a certain level of believability. Otherwise it will have the opposite effect and ruin what might have been an OK scene if they hadn't had any plot. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-06-10 08:12pm - 5153 days | #14 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
What does he do? This is in reponse to justme Sexted From My iPad | |
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| 10-07-10 12:48am - 5153 days | #15 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I think I'll give the man an "Amen" on that! "Believability" is an indispensable quality in good acting. It's the predominate theme and foremost among basics taught in acting school -- an institution of learning the porn business apparently knows little or nothing about.......Too bad....because even a brief stint of acting lessons would do wonders enhancing every aspect of the scenes shot on porn sets. Consequently, though, as Pat362 pointed out, even lousy scrips (or ad-libbing...as porn stars appear to be doing) could conceivably allow shoots to be favorably salvaged..thus giving us more of what we're paying for. | |
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| 10-07-10 06:36pm - 5152 days | #16 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Todays porn business knows nothing about that or doesn't care but it wasn't always that way. A large part of the porn from the 70's and 80's required actual acting talent. that goes above repeating the words Oh God..Oh God while getting pile driven into the sofa by a faceless dick. Probably why I would spend 100$ of dollars if a site were to offer cleaned up and uncut golden age porn movies. who knows, maybe one day someone will. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-07-10 08:06pm - 5152 days | #17 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Isn't part of that because the porn actors of the 70s and 80s were usually "failed" stage and/or screen actors, as opposed to the porn actors of today who are young girls looking for a thrill or strippers looking to make a name for themselves? | |
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| 10-07-10 08:19pm - 5152 days | #18 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
Not my impression at all. Porn actors in the 70s and 80s were porn actors. Some of them tried to get into mainstream acting, once they became famous as porn acting. But no one that I know of actually made it big as a non-porn actor. A few porn actors had a minor career as regular actors, but that was as far as any of them got. Except: a very few stars, early in their career, were involved in some porn. Marilyn Monroe was supposed to be in one or more porn flicks before she became a star. Sylvester Stallone was in a porn movie before he became a star. But no actor became famous from the 70s or 80s as a porn star, and then became famous as a non-porn actor. | |
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| 10-07-10 11:59pm - 5152 days | #19 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I meant it the other way around. That some of them had tried to become regular/mainstream actors, failed, and then became porn actors. Basically, back then people didn't really go to NY or LA to get into porn, they just fell into it. Girls like Marilyn Chambers, for example. | |
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| 10-08-10 03:53am - 5151 days | #20 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Traci Lords had a bit of a mainstream career after porn. I remember seeing her on Married with Children and I know she was on several other shows. Although I don't at all consider nude modeling as porn, many did that first. | |
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| 10-08-10 05:37am - 5151 days | #21 | |
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lk2fireone (0)
Active User Posts: 3,618 Registered: Nov 14, '08 Location: CA |
I met Marilyn Chambers one time at a Glamourcon convention. I even bought an autographed DVD from her of "Rabid", which was a non-porn movie she had starred in. I bought the movie from her because I had seen it in its original release back in 1977 and enjoyed it then. The movie was a low-budget horror film from David Cronenberg, back when he was still a small-time director before he hit the big time. I asked her why she hadn't done more non-porn movies, and she said she had tried, but the opportunities just weren't there. She appeared to be a very nice and friendly person, and I was sorry when she died a few years later. I can't say why she got into porn. I didn't ask her directly. I just thought (my impression, only) that she got into porn to make some money. Not for thrills or excitement or whatever, just to make some money. And the money those girls were paid was very little. | |
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| 10-08-10 08:33pm - 5151 days | #22 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm not so sure that the porn actors of the 70's and 80's were failed stage or screens actors as much as actors that chose to do porn because that had certain appeal for them. They certainly didn't do it for the money because they would have known within a short amount of time that there wasn't any to be made except if you owned the film. I agree that quite a few of todays performers are mostly nude models and strippers looking to make extra money, but even these girls have mainstream asspirations. Just look at how often we here such and such girl has a TV or movie gig coming up. I just think that porn is not the route you shoul take if you want a mainstream career. I think waitressing or bartending or almost any job would be a better choice. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-09-10 12:47am - 5151 days | #23 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I think at least one mainstream film director made a few porn films in the 70s before he had non-adult success. I don't remember his name at the moment but I think he might be a horror film director (not Cronenberg). Of course now most of today's horror films have devolved into "torture-porn" films--go figure. I don't know of any current actresses who have adult work on their resumes, though it seems a number of pop stars and models have a sex tape or two floating around. Oh, thank goodness for the advent of home video! How else would people embarrass themselves?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 10-09-10 01:15am - 5150 days | #24 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
She was in a couple of John Waters films--which is what I call a match made in heaven--and some other mainstream work, though leaning more towards older audiences, i.e. still not family-friendly work.
Adult work seems to leave a permanent mark on an actress' career and probably all but guarantees her from achieving mainstream success. I bet studio heads worry it's box office poison for all but the raunchiest, douchebag-oriented gross-out comedies, and even then they don't want to be known for marketing a porn actress as a star. Even when an actress does a role with extensive nudity (and no stunt asses or bushes) it gets a ton of press but does not always pay off. And when it's nude work in an unrated film with a European director, forget it, it's instantly "controversial" to American audiences, or at least that's what we're told to think... The most notorious recent example of a mainstream actress pushing a boundary would probably be Chloe Sevigny doing a blowjob scene with actor/director Vincent Gallo in The Brown Bunny--allegedly all done without body doubles or prosthetics. Oh and not a warm reception by the critics either. 9 Songs has a lot of un-simulated sex too, but it's a British film, so it's not quite as controversial. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 10-09-10 05:21am - 5150 days | #25 | ||
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
You said it! Gross-out "comedy" and (as you mentioned earlier) the "torture porn" are just fine, but actual sex! Oh, heavens, no!
I also think that it's with the actresses that those who have put themselves in charge of our "received wisdom" have elevated their standards of hypocrisy. Demi Moore's stripper movie really damaged her career, but Leonardo DiCaprio's homosexual encounter in Gangs of New York doesn't seem to have done anything to him. Well, we know that we're being fed bullshit. And we actually pay for it, too, with our hard-earned dough. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | ||
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| 10-09-10 06:48pm - 5150 days | #26 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
There may come a time when a porn actress can become a popular mainstream actress but I don't think we are close to it. In return there may come a time when a mainstream actress can do porn and that won't kill her career but I think we are further away than the previous possibility. For now we have porn actresses that appear has prostitues strippers or girl #12 that gets killed during the midpoint of the movie. Add the fact that most of these movies are usually grade Z movies. A good example is this summers Piranha 3d where the porn actress Riley Steele appears in and guess what she does a full frontal nude scene. A lot of buzz is being heard about Sasha Grey because of The Girlfriend Experiment and her recurring role on the TV show Entourage. Although I do believe she has acting talen. She still only played an escort in The Girlfriend Experiment and she played herself on Entourage so neither role is what I'd call a stetch. Chloe Sevigny has managed to survive her venture into the world of pornography and that's a credit to her talent and force of will but I wouldn't use her has a good example because I think she was lucky and had some influential friends that supported her. The hipprocy is that each day mainstream actressesd have to decide if blowing a director or producer is worth it to get the job. The difference is that it's not filmed or at least it won't wind up on the net. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-09-10 08:23pm - 5150 days | #27 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I'd agree that "The Girlfriend Experience" is not exactly mainstream acting in a normal sense. One, it's a small budget film directed by Steven Soderbergh. Two, it's Grey playing a prostitute. Ooo, how daring! I don't think she really needs to break into mainstream acting anyway, her porn career is quite healthy, well-paid, and well awarded. She'll probably put her clothes back on one day and get behind the camera or even start her own company and make plenty of money. Though I'm sure the occasional indie cameo or Z-movie appearance will surely pop up too.
She's also not your everyday actress simply looking to make it big. From what I've read, Chloe never wished to become a blockbuster superstar but instead focus on interesting and daring roles. A quick look at her films certainly attests to this--even her first film "Kids" is still controversial by today's standards. Supposedly she was dropped by her agency after working in "The Brown Bunny," which definitely shows the hypocrisy on their part. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 10-09-10 09:27pm - 5150 days | #28 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
This day has come and gone already: Traci Lords leapt that hurdle years ago, and nor was she the first. Marilyn Chambers immediately comes to mind, but she stayed in mainstream films only briefly before committing full-time to pornography. None-the-less, many pornographic performers have dabbled in mainstream film and of course Wikipedia has a list: Wikipedia: Pornographic Actors Who Appeared in Mainstream Films And just to be fair: AmIAnnoying.com: Mainstream Actors Who Appeared in Pornographic Films (and yes, Cameron Diaz actually does belong on that list.) "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 10-09-10 11:24pm - 5150 days | #29 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Traci Lords was mainstream, but I'd argue she wasn't all that popular, first of all. And second, and more importantly, she had to completely and totally renounce any and everything to do with porn before that happened. Not that porn would have anything to do with her after what she pulled anyway. And second, I don't count a released sex tape as a "pornographic film". Yes, it's pornographic, but it's not a "film" any more than me going and shooting myself having sex is a "film". Which eliminates lots of the people on that second list. | |
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| 10-10-10 11:31am - 5149 days | #30 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The fact that she's not an everyday actress is in part why I believe she did that BJ scene and why she survived the backlash that came from it. I have seen the video and there is no doubt that it's her. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-10-10 11:49am - 5149 days | #31 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
You are correct about Tracy being the first since she has managed to carve a respectable mainstream career that is still happening but I would agree with hodayathink that because she was underage at the time of her career and somehow made everyone believe that she was the victim had a lot to do with her later success. If Tracy were to do like Sasha Grey and then try to carve a mainstream career then she might not be as lucky. I think that Marilyn could have had a mainstream career if she had wanted to but she chose porn. She had talent and looks to spare and I still wonder what her life might have been like if she had chosen that path instead of porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 10-10-10 02:27pm - 5149 days | #32 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I also agree with Squirrel that no waffling and idle chat is necessary in a porno scene. But even without such things, it will still have a plot! Look! THE ELEMENTS OF PLOT Exposition The introductory material which gives the setting, creates the tone, presents the characters, and presents other facts necessary to understanding the story. There's a couch or bed or swimming pool or something. At least one person comes on the scene at the beginning. Tattoos are likely to be visible. Title, such as "College Sex Maniacs 4," is very helpful. Foreshadowing The use of hints or clues to suggest what will happen later in the story. There's a bulge in the guy's pants. Inciting Force The event or character that triggers the conflict. Girl gives guy blowjob. Conflict The essence of fiction. It creates plot. The conflicts we encounter can usually be identified as one of four kinds. (Man versus Man, Nature, Society, or Self) Well, "friction" is a good synonym for conflict. And friction is of the essence. Rising Action Hmmm. Of course, the more rising there is, the more action there can be. Crisis The conflict reaches a turning point. At this point the opposing forces in the story meet and the conflict becomes most intense. The crisis occurs before or at the same time as the climax. The girl turns around and assumes what may be her final sex position. This is when the guy's dick keeps falling out, or he starts losing his boner and needs another blowjob. Climax The climax is the result of the crisis. It is the high point of the story for the reader. Frequently, it is the moment of the highest interest and greatest emotion. The point at which the outcome of the conflict can be predicted. Did you read that? Yes, "the outcome ... can be predicted." Finally! But see "Falling Action" and "Denouement" anyway. Falling Action The events after the climax which close the story. Cum gets shot on the girl's face. Now the guy can go limp if he wants to. Resolution (Denouement) Rounds out and concludes the action. Camera fixes on cum-splattered face of girl, who might lick it off her face or get some on her fingers and lick those. For a more obvious "rounding out," the guy has shot his load on the girl's ass and the camera lingers a while on that. Happens sometimes at "Mike's Apartment," for instance. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 10, 2010, 02:36pm | |
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| 10-10-10 04:05pm - 5149 days | #33 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
, and here I keep complaining about no plot in most videos. Thank you for enlightening me. What a fool I was! | |
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