Good review pat. I was going to join this network a few weeks ago but found they are now trying to trick customers with pre checked cross selling. That's a shame because it does look better than when I was last here.
Ouch that hurts. That's another thing that's wrong with online porn. Too much obscure small print, dirty tricks, and just awful organisation and standards so no one knows value relative to their money. You end up with a bad feeling after having subscribed. You feel like you've been ripped off because you are paying virtually the same but are treated differenttly.
Agreed about CCBill. Rates are getting very close to being regional discrimination, which we both hate. I mostly stay away from CCBIll nowadays for that reason. I go with Epoch whenever I can,
I was last there in 2010 so although recent updates have slowed to being non existent, there were still quite a few since my last membership. If you haven't been there for a while I'm sure you'll find some good stuff from 2010-12. Even their leased content is good.
There are no problems with TCC if you only collect videos, as download speeds are quite good, but if you like photos it's a pain. One thing that occurred to me is if you like photos you will never have enough time to capture all of them on all the sites in a month or two. To join TCC is $49.97 but if you join separate sites it's only $29.97 and you get quite a few of the TCC sites as a bonus, usually between 13 and 17, depending on which site you join. So if you want to collect photos obviously it's best to join separate sites over the months, until you have downloaded all the photos, otherwise you will be paying for many sites you wont use. Incidentally if you cancel TCC membership they offer you a cut price offer to stay on.
It's very much personal taste, but I like their style, of great looking girls captured by professional lighting and camerawork, which has a very bright and colourful look. The only thing you may not like is the quality of video which is not very high def. It's good and I'm happpy with it but very high def afficionados may not like it. Good enough for me though and the pics are great, if only there were a way of downloading them.
Thanks Marc. Yes they could do themselves a favour and give a better preview section, especially as they are so low profile. They could find some new subscribers and lengthen their life, but all the signs are thay're on life support.
Yeah I pretty much agree with that, Pat. For me the material is as good as any I have seen. Amazing models and photography, but negatives so bad they shot themselves in the foot.
I am probably one of the few who would be willing to fork out more than a $50 join fee, providing the material is top rate. I am one who thinks porn is too cheap, ridiculously cheap.
The strange thing is, although they have no customer service and don't seem to care less about the site being customer friendly, they don't try to trick you with cross sales, or any other dirty tricks for that matter.
I think I will go out on a limb and say the material is the best porn I have seen (although admittedly that is very subjective). Okay I'll say it's my favourite material, because what is the best porn is just opinion.
I'm not sure whether to feel sad at the demise of a site that produced such quality, or pleased because management is clearly such a bunch of total assholes.
I see very few free pics from this network on free forums so maybe their policy of having no zipped photos works. However one argument for paying to join sites is ease of downloading material. For this network it is easier to search free download forums and download zipped photos.
Was a member approx. 1 month prior to this review.
Pros:
No DRM, pre checked cross sells, or download restrictions.
Superb photography and lighting.
Beautiful girls, with few fake breasts or tattoos.
Very little filler material, although older material is lower spec.
Pics are very good, and have much more variety of angles than seen on most networks.
There is a progression from clothed to unclothed, with some great softcore pics.
Streaming in chunks.
The male leads and cameramen mostly keep out of the way. There is occasionally some abuse (choking on Ass Teen Mouth for example), but the focus is nearly always on the models.
No condoms.
Cons:
Expensive
Rip off exchange rate from CCBill.
No zipped photos.
No customer service.
Awful log in. Each site needs a new log in plus captcha, you have to log in again every time you leave, and you get timed out of the site very quickly.
Very few new updates.
Video downloads are only in wmv, but for me that is no con, as I prefer wmv.
Very little ethnic or weight diversity. Models are mainly white and slim.
Homogeneous product. Most of it has the same look.
The most customer unfriendly network in the entire universe (even worse than Ewoks customer services at DeathStar.com).
Bottom Line:
When I first joined this network three years ago I said it had great material but is let down by lousy management who couldn't care less about their customers. Nothing has changed in that respect. I haven't tried to contact customer support this time. I tried three years ago on a number of occasions but never received a reply. I have no doubt that still holds. If anyone has ever received a reply from this place I would be both pleased and amazed to hear from them.
Pictures are still unzipped, and the log in is still ridiculous. You not only have to enter your name and password for each site, you also have to enter a captcha. Why? You have paid money to join a site, you are unlikely to be some sort of computer bot. Furthermore, none of the sites remember you are logged in, so once you leave the site, even if only for a few seconds, you have to re enter you name, password, and new captcha. It is still the most customer unfriendly network I have ever joined.
So why did I join again after three years? For a number of good reasons. For my taste this has the highest download strike rate of any site. In other words I wish to download a higher percentage of updates from this site than from any other. The girls are stunningly attractive, the videos and pics are beautifully lit and shot, and have very good angles for displaying the models.
One thing that for me does not now seem so bad, is navigation. I don't think it has actually improved, but since I first joined I have visited sites with seriously BAD navigation, and in comparison TCC is not so bad. Home pages give you an accurate preview of the material, and most of the time they are very inviting. Most of the sites in the network have a homogeneous samey look to them, with a few exceptions, Hardcore Youth being one. I have seen comments on PU that it is leased content, unfortunately there are still no zipped photos even on that site. Some of the older content on the network looks a bit different and has lower spec.
The models may be white and slim, but they are very beautiful, and at least not so skinny they look like concentration camp victims. There is an accent on anal, but as well as the softcore photos, there is some good straight action too. The majority of the updates are one on one, but there is some dp, and the Double Teamed Teens site is dedicated to that. It does have an overall homogeneous look across the network. Although produced well, it could do with something a little different on occasion, even if that just means changing the location or furniture.
The softcore pictures are very good, but are not part of the video. On most sites they appear to take a series of softcore pictures, then the model starts back with her clothes on. The video and second section of pictures go from here. The male lead enters, quickly takes of the model's clothes, and the action starts straight away.
With usually over 500 pictures to a set for the new updates, and no zipped photos facility, the time and effort to painstakingly store every single one of them becomes such a pain, that you start to ask yourself questions like "do I really need this photo," or "will the quality of my life really improve if I store this one?" At some point I start to spend more time trying to weed out the few that I don't want, than just going ahead and capturing the lot. After a while this whole place becomes the biggest pain in the ass since Vlad The Impaler was assassinated. Given the amount of material on TeenCoreClub, by the time you have manually captured only a tenth of the photos you want, you will need an ice pack on your arm. So this is what they mean by porn giving you a stiff wrist.
Just because there is no one in customer services doesn't mean there isn't anyone at home (obviously there is someone around to pocket the money), and the lack of a zipped photos facility may well be by design. You are going to need more than one month to capture all the photos you need, so it certainly stops everyone joining for one month only, downloading everything, then putting it all on a free download forum. I would rather pay three times as much, and have zipped photos. However, if this is the price I have to pay for their survival, given the quality of the material they offer, I can live with it. I ended my subscription because I knew I didn't have the time or inclination to store each individual picture. In the end I only downloaded a small part of what is available. What I do have is very good indeed, even though they don't have very high definition material. I may return when I have more time to manually save pictures.
Beautiful girls, great camerawork, and some great material, but a number of other networks outscore it by around ten points, both on PU and TBP. That says a lot about its negatives.
It is a little confusing. Once you have joined 21 Sextury you can download or watch any scene available on the 21 Sextury sites. That doesn't include 21 Sextreme or 21 Naturals. However once your subscription is over, depending on how long you subscribed for, you will have built up credits which can be used to buy downloads.
Alternatively you can buy credits, which can be exchanged for downloads.
Yeah I agree. I didn't realise this until I was a member. I thought there must be some sort of catch, but there isn't. I am able to download for free a year after my membership expired. I would be renewing this year if not for their pre checked cross selling.
I joined this network over a year ago. It was my longest membership of any network or site, and I was intending to rejoin shortly, however I find they now have pre checked cross selling. I can't remember them doing this before, but it means I will no longer be a member.
On the plus side (I don't know if anyone here realises this) they run a points system where if you join for more than one month, you can earn enough points to download for free. This means that even after my membership was cancelled, I still had enough points to download six times for free, by simply logging in and using points to purchase downloads.
Thanks Marvin, at least you didn't call me a stingy f*****g bastard for the low mark. I mark lower than everyone else, but of course that's merely becaue I'm right and everyone else is wrong.
I appreciate the reason for the condoms. On South American/Brazilian type sites you see many more than elsewhere, and I always presumed that's because their health checks and standards were non existent. I can totally understand the reason.
I would love to see some of those Eastern European models on your network but that probably isn't feasible. It isn't that American girls aren't attractive, some of your girls are stunning, but to see them marked in such a way is awful. I can imagine a ton of tattooed senior citiizens in rocking chairs looking like hells grannys, all wishing they still looked like human beings.
I hope my review helps business, because there's enough individuality on Team Skeet to attract customers. It may be that many don't know of your network, so let's hope people read what is posted on this site. I haven't heard anything bad said about your network yet.
Thanks messmer, I do appreciate the comments, especially coming from one of the original regulars. Sadly, no middle aged women for you on this one though, and not a lot of stripping.
Cheers IK! I appreciate it as I know you put the same thought and effort into your reviews as well.
I found it hard to give a mark that was fair, and maybe it should have been higher. If not for so many tattoos it would have been closer to 90. In fact, they should let this lot loose on the Eastern European girls, and do them justice. If they had those girls on this network it would be fantastic.
There was no place in the original review to list the sites on the network with their scene numbers and last update. So here they are as of 24 January 2013.
Innocent High 350 scenes. Last update 1/14/2013
She's New 52 scenes. Last update I/18/2013 Oye Loca 169 scenes. Last update 1/23/2013 POV Life 48 scenes. Last update 1/11/2013 Titty Attack 45 scenes. Last update 8/27/2012 The Real Workout 52 scenes. Last update 12/31/2012 This Girl Sucks - 69 scenes. Last update 1/02/2013 Self Desire 30 scenes. Last update 3/27/2012 Her Freshman Year 20 scenes. Last update 3/29/2011 Solo Interviews 121 scenes. Last update 1/22/2013 Team Skeet Extras 73 scenes Last update 1/24/2013 Exxxtra Small 10 scenes. Last update 1/21/2013 Rub A Teen 28 scenes. Last update 1/26/2013 Teeny Black 10 scenes. Last update 1/16/2013
Current Member for less than 1 month (at the time of review).
Pros:
Special discount from TBP/PU $17.87 instead of $24.87. From 21 January also special discount of $9.97 from PU Newsletter.
No DRM, download limits, pre checked cross sells, or regional discrimination. Recently ended pre checked cross selling.
High quality videos and pics, with good lighting and camerawork.
Epoch is billing agent, resulting in easy cancellation.
Easy log in, network remembers password.
Easy navigation and inviting home pages.
Many download and streaming options.
Zipped photos.
Attractive models with a little more body and ethnic diversity than some sites.
Little abuse of models.
Genuine network with each site having its own identity.
Mostly exclusive material, apart from Rub A Teen.
Very customer friendly. I believe a lot of thought has gone into the way the home pages are presented, and appear to customers.
Excellent webmaster Marvin as network representative at PU.
Downloads are named, you don't have to do it yourself.
Cons:
Condoms used nearly all the time on "Oye Loca." If you hate condoms it makes the site worthless, and it's one of the biggest sites on the network.
Tats tats tats. Far too many tattoos. There are the usual breast jobs too, but tats are everywhere.
Smaller than the large networks.
Some sites are small, and/or not updating.
A LOT of advertising links/upsells, plus when you first log in for the day you always have to decline the "special offer" upsell before you can access the network.
6 simultaneous download limit.
Slower daytime speeds here in UK.
No choice of WMV for HD. HD videos are mp4.
Bottom Line:
The impression I get of this network, is one that is run by people who want to have their satisfied customers keep coming back. For me the two biggest negatives resulted in my cancelling membership after only one month. I intend to come back when I have time to sift through and cherry pick material. The two negatives are tattoos and condoms.
Tats tats tats and more tats, tats everywhere. Nearly every clip I accessed seemed to have a model with a tattoo on some part of her body. I find that a big turn off. That combined with the presence of condoms on most of the Oye Loca scenes, making that site virtually redundant, meant that for me, a large part of the network was a no go area. It's a big shame because they are clearly trying very hard to be customer friendly.
Yes, tats everywhere, but they seem even more prevalent on Innocent High, where the girls look, how shall I put this.....more professional than on any of the other sites. Innocent? Yeah right, about as innocent as Charles Manson at a graduation party. I have this theory about the tattoos. Maybe the site operates in a similar way to the United States Postal Service or Royal Mail. Basically the girls have to be stamped before they can get through the doors. That would explain it all.
Each site has an individual appearance and style. Unlike other "networks" this one really is a collection of individual disparate sites with their own personality. "Oye Loca" has some beautiful little known Latin models. "She's New" goes for the amateurish approach, with young beautiful girls supposedly making their debuts, although many of the scenes are not boy girl hardcore. "Innocent High" has a lot of POV. Titty Attack caters for the fuller figure, and is one of my favourites, as is Her Freshman Year, and the unsung Team Skeet Extras. "Rub A Teen" is the only non exclusive material. Some sites are small and/or not updating. Below in "replies" is a list of sites on the network with scene counts, and last update (as of 24 January).
The home pages are generally good and navigation is easy. There are a number of download, streaming and browsing options. Streaming looks great, and is easy to use, with high medium and low options available. I have variable speeds here in the UK, being generally faster in the evening to night, and slower in the afternoon to early evening. There is a "default viewing option" where you can set your favourite way a scene is displayed, when a page is loaded. You can have Preview, Full Flash Movie, Best Of Movie, Third Clips, One Minute Clips, Pictures, Screencaps, Trailer, and there's an "add to favourites" option.
They really do seem to be making the place customer friendly, and Marvin is an excellent webmaster representative at PU. A lot of thought has gone into design and navigation. For instance, when hovering the mouse over a home page picture, you get a few screencap samplers, just enough and done in just the right way to give you an idea of the material. Unfortunately the one thing that overwhelmingly lets this side of things down, and clutters up the members' areas, is the huge amount of upsells and links. You even have to navigate an upsell when first logging in. You must decline the offer before being able to access the network. Apart from that, logging in is easy, and your password is stored across the network.
Lighting, photography, thoughtful angles, and high spec, means the material looks great. Their greatest strength is the quality of the videos, although the pics look good too. Team Skeet is similar to other sites in taking too many pics all looking the same, but the pics they have, do look good.
Generalising across the network I have come to the conclusion the models have slightly more body shape and ethnic diversity than some networks. There is a lack of anal, with most of the scenes being straight boy/girl, with some solo and lesbian. There is little abuse of models, hair pulling, insulting, ass slapping, or gagging. The male leads and cameramen tend to be low profile, thankfully. In tone I would say it's similar to 18 Eighteen/Score or Karups, a sort of light hardcore.
Newest update video download options are 1080 HD, 720 HD, HI mpg4, LOW mpg4, WMV, IPod. There appears to be a six simultaneous download limit. The HD downloads are mp4, Best WMV nowadays is 960x540 at 1500- 2500 kb/s, or 640x480 at 1500-2500 kbs. Older clips have lower spec. Pictures are mostly 1050x700, sometimes 1050x590. Screencaps mostly 720x405.
If you prefer WMV, they have changed their high spec videos from WMV to mp4. On the latest updates there is no longer a WMV high spec option, only a medium spec 960x540 or 640x480. That means a difference between1280x720 at 7000 kb/s and 960x540 at 1500-2500 kb/s or 640x480 at 1500-2500kb/s.
Overall a worthwhile membership, which I would recommend to any PU'er. A real network with character, and great material, which is customer friendly. I will be back.
Thanks Graymane, it's reciprocated. Your contributions are always entertaining, as well as informative.
I guess like most of us, I look in but don't contribute as much nowadays, unless there's something I just have to get off my chest. There's not enough time at the moment to post here, or view porn, but at least I don't get jaded as some do.
Been a porn fan since I was 8, so I suppose I'm never going off it, but I could do with some more customer oriented networks. There's only a limited influence PU can have, and currently the mainstream market is very homogeneous, for a number of reasons. All we can do is register our opinion.
Happily today is a day and night off, so I can spend some time putting together a review.
Thanks for the entertaining review Gray one. You happened to pick out a couple of big irritants as far as I'm concerned. First of all the ever present genitalia closeups. Then there's the constant moving about. You get to the point where they finally show the whole girl in all her glory, then they have to change her position and it's back to the closeups.
The cameraman goes to sleep on the closeups, but the minute they finally focus on the whole body they have to move. You just cannot get to experience the glory of the whole body. It's like they do it deliberately just to piss off porn viewers. "Ner ner ner, you paid for this, but you're not going to see anything stimulating, oh no, we can do this all the time to the end of the video you know." And they do.
Thanks for the feedback Marvin. It would be nice to see you rewarded with some new memberships, but in the real world we all know how it is likely to work. You gain three new memberships from PU members and lose 1000 because you got rid of pre checked cross selling. Negative ev on that one.
I look forward to a new Her Freshman Year type site, and kudos to you, for ending cross selling from PU/TBP.
Thanks tangub, not sure it was my comments that contributed to the change, but it would be nice to think pressure from some of us here at PU, helps to change things a little.
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