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pat362 (0)
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I had no major technical problem with the site. All my issues were about the content and you are correct in saying that it's extreme and in my view not good extreme but really unpleasant extreme.
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03-08-11 02:38pm
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malikstarks (0)
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I have no problem with it. I strongly believe that there is a large percentage of women who get off on this type of sex. They just won't say so out of fear of being ostracized.
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03-09-11 12:16pm
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rearadmiral (0)
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REPLY TO #1 - pat362 :
So many others did have technical problems with the site that I thought I'd make the specific comment that I didn't have any of those issues. When you and I had a back-and-forth after you wrote your review that was one of my big concerns. If you reported problems I would have stayed away, but since you didn't I took the plunge. Maybe whatever problems other people had have been resolved.
I agree with you that there is good extreme and bad extreme. Read the comment from malikstarks in this thread. I agree with him too. But... there really is good extreme and bad extreme. Where is that line? I don't know. Maybe you and I are just being too subjective and basing this on taste. Maybe it's an age thing in that people younger than us have different media experiences. I still think that The Exorcist is the most scary movie ever made, because when it came out there was nothing like it. For someone in their 30s The Exorcist might seem tame and quaint.
But having said that, I still think that there has to be an objective standard for what is too extreme. And now that I think of it, there is. Most countries would have some criminal law dealing with this kind of material. You and I are both in Canada and I suspect that this material would be found to be illegal if we tried to import it as a DVD. The problem with using the criminal standard to determine whether this is too extreme is that that standard itself uses the :community standard" test. I'd bet you have trouble convincing blue-haired old Baptist ladies anywhere that this stuff isn't extreme, but they'd probably say that about tame mainstream porn too.
I think for me that I'm going to come down to the same test that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Potter used way back in 1964. To paraphrase him for this discussion, I may not be able to define what is too extreme, but I know it when I see it.
And I see it on this site.
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03-09-11 03:11pm
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rearadmiral (0)
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REPLY TO #2 - malikstarks :
I suspect that you're right on a lot of this. I don't like to make my reviews too subjective because just because I don't like a site doesn't mean it isn't good.
I also agree that there are a lot of women who enjoy rough sex and being dominated. Look at most of what is offered on the Kink.com network. Sites like The Training of O, Sex and Submission, Water Bondage, Public Disgrace all rely on women who like being treated roughly. Society SM and its sister sites are the same.
The physical torment that women are subjected to in the sites I listed above is the same or close to what goes on at Facial Abuse, but the mental element is completely different. On Kink and Society SM I get a stong idea that the women like what is going on, and more importantly that the men recognize that they the degradation and humiliation of the women is just part of the sex play. For Facial Abuse, I get the feeling that these guys genuinely dislike women and see nothing wrong with what they're doing. I get the feeling that when the scene is over at a Kink shoot that people help the woman get back into the real world after an intense BDSM session. At Facial Abuse, my suspicion is that when the scene ends the staff say 'here's your $50 you dumb cunt, now get the fuck out of here.' I may be wrong about that, but if I am it is mostly because site like Kink go out of their way to make it abundently clear that the women are tossed out like garbage. Maybe when the cameras are turned off at Facial Abuse the guys drop the 'douchebag' schtick.
Finally, while I agree that some women (maybe a lot of them) enjoy BDSM and related activities, (Bobbi Starr, Madison Young and Amber Rayne come to mind) I can't imagine that too many women really enjoy the kind of mental abuse dished out at Facial Abuse. But having said that, Amber Rayne did a scene here so what to make of that>
Thanks for the comments. Always great to have a chat about porn.
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03-09-11 03:27pm
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