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| 09-16-08 10:40am - 5903 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Negative trust Is there an agreement what exactly it shall mean? Is it only reserved for outright shills? Or it's ok to say that I distrust somebody just because I think he's using "wrong" criteria for the review? Or even further - because I don't agree with his likes and dislikes (I've seen somebody telling in distrust comment that he doesn't share obsession with big boobs or something like that)? In other words - if there is an obviously honest guy who I disagree with and therefore personally I won't trust his ratings much, what shall I do? Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 09-16-08 11:02am - 5903 days | #2 | |
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elonlybuster (0)
Active User Posts: 52 Registered: Aug 24, '08 Location: Georgia |
The only grounds for giving No trust is if their review is incomplete, have invalid information, or come off one-sided. But aside from that there's nothing saying you absolutely have to give trust. It's nice if you do but there's nothing wrong with not. | |
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| 09-16-08 11:04am - 5903 days | #3 | |
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wiild1 (0)
Unverified User Posts: 52 Registered: Apr 14, '07 Location: UK |
From the FAQ: In essence, the Trust Rating is simply a way to allow the community to judge for themselves who's remarks are trustworthy based on that user's activity. In other words, can the reviewer's remarks be trusted to be accurate to what others will find if they visit a site. I don't bother with giving my fellow pornusers any trust ratings as I have not found any reviewers that I don't trust: I would only add "Negative Trust" if I think the person is dishonest. Just a minor bias, rude behaviour on the forum or a disgreement in taste from mine is not enough for "Negative Trust". | |
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| 09-16-08 11:35am - 5903 days | #4 | |
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mr smut (0)
Active User  Posts: 107 Registered: Dec 27, '07 Location: Germany |
I've seen a review on Brazzer's Network today that qualifies for a negative trust rating. The user is absolutely new to PU, hasn't even answered the profile questions, rates the site at 99 and gives only a few sentences why it's worth such a high rating plus twice the remark "this is the best site on the net". That's a go f*** elsewhere review to me ... sorry for the harsh words but I hope that most will agree? Oh, but I will always submit trust ratings with my user name plus a note why I think that this rating was given. | |
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| 09-16-08 11:57am - 5903 days | #5 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Myself I gave a 100:-) once and then got a negative I was brand new. And as ticked they gave me a negative. But it helped me learn about the site and if I remember it was Ace whom gave advice afterwords and helped me actually start doinf great reviews. Negatives can help with constructive feedback too it did in my case. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-16-08 01:59pm - 5903 days | #6 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
The only time I use "negative trust" is when I have the feeling that a first time reviewer might be connected to the site because he is so effusive in his praise (99 - 100) in a a very sketchy review. Because I received a negative trust rating on my very first review I've been careful about handing them out. The review pretty well must shout "shill" before I give one nowadays. | |
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| 09-16-08 02:26pm - 5903 days | #7 | |
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wiild1 (0)
Unverified User Posts: 52 Registered: Apr 14, '07 Location: UK |
I agree on mr smuts remark on the recent 99 rating of Brazzer's Network. There have been a couple of questionable reviews of this network from totally new members latelly. | |
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| 09-16-08 04:24pm - 5903 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
If someone is new (like the Brazzer's guy giving out 99's) I'm most likely to post a reply to the review letting them know that it ain't up to snuff. I haven't handed out any negative trusts yet; typically I just ignore them. It just seems to me that it would be a tit for tat type of thing where they, in turn, would ding me. If you're serious about this site then you know that one hit wonder scores are not to be trusted. I could only see myself giving a negative trust if someone is repeatedly biased or always posting astronomical scores. | |
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| 09-16-08 10:58pm - 5902 days | #9 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I dont think I have given a negative yet, dont think I am qualified to judge the review with anything more then a comment for now. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-17-08 12:50am - 5902 days | #10 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I base my trust ratings on if the reviews are thorough and from what I can see, factual. I don't pay much attention to their scores since, "One man's junk, is another man's treasure". I look at the reviews as a helpful way to help me make a decision of whether to join or not. The score isn't included in that equation at all. Funny story, there was this member that gave me a no trust vote awhile back, because I knocked 20 points off a site's score because it had a 10 GB monthly DL limit. We debated back and forth. I felt like the review was fair enough since I did say in the review that if the DL limit didn't bother the person reading it, to add 20 points to the score. I just felt like the site was ripping users off since I had reached my limit in less than a week but had paid a month subscription. The good news is, the company decided to drop all DL limits on all of their sites in the kink.com family, including the one I took 20 points off of, Ultimate Surrender, I then went back, edited my review and gave the 20 points back to the site, raising it from 70 to 90. But, my no trust vote from that member is still there. asmith12, I don't know if this thread is about our incident, and for the others that are reading this, it was asmith that gave me a no trust vote that I talked about in the previous paragraphs, based on me taking off points because of the DL limit. I never had any hard feelings towards you over it, as can be seen by me not responding with a no vote to you, and I won't do that either. I think everyone is entitled to their opinion. As for finding a set list of reasons to give trust votes, I do think it pretty much varies from member to member. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 09-17-08 06:11am - 5902 days | #11 | ||
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
Yes, it is (didn't you recognize yourself in "an obviously honest guy who I disagree with and therefore personally I won't trust his ratings much"? :-) ). With all the recent events I've got not so easy feeling about this no-trust rating, and decided to see how community thinks such situations shall be handled. From this discussion it looks that most people think that no-trust is mostly for obvious shills and alike, and another thing which was mentioned is that it is more about trusting INFORMATION, not trusting RATINGS. So I'll change it right away.
I know, and appreciate it, thanks. Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | ||
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| 09-17-08 07:56am - 5902 days | #12 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
When it comes to reviews I am starting to distrust quite a few of them if they mainly contain numbers and a rating, because I realize more and more what a difference age makes in one's assessment of a site. And I know I've said this before but I think it's important. It is all well and good to say a site has so and so many models, so and so many videos/pictures, download speeds are such and such, but what every review needs (and usually contains) is an honest opinion of what makes the site so desirable to the user. I just wish he/she would provide much, much more of his personal likes, dislikes about the site in the bottom line because the more detail he provides the better for me because that way I can say, naw I think I'll leave this site to someone else. I write this because of my negative experiences with with Twisty's, Galleria and FTV, all sites almost revered by the young! But, to return to the subject, because I recognize that their reviews are honest, reflecting their tastes, they would never get a "dont trust" from me. As I wrote above, obvious shills are a different matter. | |
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| 09-18-08 05:26am - 5901 days | #13 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
Thanks asmith12, I thought it was about me, but wasn't positive. I do believe not paying much attention to the ratings is the way to go. I joined a site last year that several members had rated fairly low, 70s, but it had a lot of content that I was interested in. After joining it, I rated it a 90, loved the site for the most part. And though I didn't agree with their ratings, the reviews had enough good information in them to let me know, it was up my alley, so to speak. Hey, at least kink removed their DL limits, now we can all be happy! My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 09-18-08 01:43pm - 5901 days | #14 | |
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asmith12 (0)
Active User Posts: 79 Registered: Oct 17, '07 |
There is no really need to say "thanks", because I did it not to make you happy, but to make my conscience happy :-). I'm a selfish guy after all (who isn't? :-) ). Motto: "All niches except for boring one!" | |
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| 10-02-08 01:19pm - 5887 days | #15 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
When it comes to trust ratings I think I've just been zapped by someone over a disagreement in taste. He makes a comment that my review was bad without letting me know which review he is commenting on and why he thinks it's bad and then, to add insult to injury he does it anonymously. Does anyone else have problems with "anonymous?" | |
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| 10-02-08 03:06pm - 5887 days | #16 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I can only guess: ATK Natural and Hairy? Noticed a couple of really short recent "reviews" that mostly read like ads and not reviews, anyway. They were just before and after yours. And the negative comment was "Not a good revue (sic)." I didn't realize we had to be in show business! ;) Well, don't sweat it. It doesn't reflect on you. And I've had negatives that to me just didn't make sense. Somehow, they disappeared eventually. The folks at PU actually go to the trouble to track down shills, so maybe that's got something to do with it. Or not. Who knows? But it's just a stupid annoyance. Your review of ATK Natural and Hairy was informative, much more than those quick 'n dirty ones with the scores of "90." And I was glad to read your review, just to confirm that the site really hasn't changed. The photo quality WAS pretty poor sometimes, and some of the women on the site were just ugly! I haven't been there for quite some time. Those "90" reviews do nothing to persuade me to return. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Oct 02, 2008, 03:10pm | |
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| 10-02-08 04:32pm - 5887 days | #17 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Thanks, Drooler. I just had to vent a bit over that one because it was unfair in my eyes, and "anonymous" always triggers me, especially when it attacks my credibility/ honesty. In the case of ATK I told it as I saw it, isn't that what a reviewer is supposed to do? There are a couple of other porn icons I find highly overrated and not worth all the nineties they are getting. In my eyes, I must stress! I guess that'll knock another couple of "trust" points off when I get around to reviewing them. :-) | |
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| 10-03-08 01:07am - 5886 days | #18 | |
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Thaeral (0)
Active User  Posts: 2 Registered: Apr 02, '07 Location: Orange County, CA |
I've only given negative trusts to reviewers who appeared to be just giving positive reviews to boost the sites review score. They're more advertisements than genuine reviews and that bugs me. And it has to be obvious. So I haven't given very many negative trusts out. It never occurred to me to give a negative trust for someone I don't agree with. It's not that I distrust them, I simply don't agree with them. I figured it was enough to not give the trust. *shrugs* | |
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| 10-03-08 10:21am - 5886 days | #19 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Yes, that's been my policy, too. Obvious shills that give you nothing but a couple of glowing lines of recommendation and a 99 in a "review" are my targets, but even then I very seldom bother giving them a negative trust. They are so transparent in their effort to sell a site that I assume anyone with any brain at all can see that. | |
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| 10-03-08 12:11pm - 5886 days | #20 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
After being a member awhile, I found myself giving my first negative this week. My reasoning was that the member made stuff up about a site, and built the site up so much I wondered if they are connected with it. They also then descided attacking my own reviews helped them justify there reasoning. I beleive here at PU, everyone even newbies are entitled to thier opinion on a review, but if you give false , misleading reviews no one will trust you and hence if you descide to attack a member for pointing it out. I think that shows imaturity in reviewing and hopefully a negative trust will help them provide a better review in the future. I get we all have favorite models, I adore Catalina Cruz, and Austin Kincaid, and I think Video Box and 1by-DAY are my top 4 right now. But I do not push that opinion and must be open to others thoughts on this as well. Key to a review be accurate and honest. Cybertoad. Since 2007 | |
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