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| 09-01-14 10:28am - 3765 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
A recent back-and-forth between a PU member and webmaster got me wondering about site ripping. More important to me personally, I was left wondering if I could ever be accused of doing the same thing. What is site ripping? Is it literally using some kind of software to download EVERYTHING from a site automatically or is it just a term to describe a heavy user? The reason that I wonder about this is that often when I join a new site during my first week of the membership my downloads can be large. It wouldn’t be unusual for me to download 200+ GB from a site in the first week. But I don’t download everything – I only download what I like. If the scene features a MILF or a BBW I don’t download it. There is nothing ‘automatic’ about how I select what I want from a site. As an example, consider Brazzers. They tend to feature more large-breasted models than the petite models I like. So while I downloaded 200GB in just a few days it should be obvious to anyone at the site that I was being very selective. Contrast that with 18 Only Girls, where the models there are much more to my liking, I’ll be downloading a lot more, but I’m still selective. In all cases after a few days of downloading like a madman my downloads trail off as all I’m doing is looking at the updates. So as I can be a heavy user for a few days on a site even though I am selective in what I download is this considered site ripping? | |
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| 09-01-14 11:09am - 3765 days | #2 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Well guess it depends are we talking the legal definition or maybe more slang. If a person uses site ripping software it is very possible they will violate some copyright law. A nonpaying person taking all your stuff is called site ripping. There is software out there but with more and more sites being PHP based like probably 80% or more now days. Illegal site ripping is harder. If I pay and am given access to a site and take everything I can, why it might be a hoggish thing to do, it would be legal. On pay sites I think of all you can eat porn, like all you can eat Smorga Places. You should eat what you take, but not take what you don't eat. I think of illegal site ripping like I would Torrents and such. People do it, it harms all sides and well its not worth it. I stand by : You should eat what you take, but not take what you don't eat. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-01-14 05:24pm - 3765 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I suspect that the owners of porn sites have a different opinion that those that don't. In my case I tend to lump the people that join a site and download the entire sites library using some kind of software as site rippers. I don't debate that they paid for their membership but in return I don't think the owners ever expected that a 20$ membership should be used to do what those rippers do. When people do that than sites implement procedures that hurt the rest of us because you than get daily download limits or the inability to use a download manager. I can say that I will never be a site ripper but not out of any altruistic reasons. It's simply that I'm too picky and I only want to download the stuff that I think I want. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-02-14 03:03am - 3764 days | #4 | |
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ghosty (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Jun 01, '14 |
I doubt it. Some people download more, some download less, and others might prefer streaming. If somebody decides to download everything, which is probably more common on new and smaller sites, it's not really going to hurt them, unless the files are shared on torrent sites or file lockers. So even if you weren't picky, you still wouldn't be a sipper ripper, unless you share the content. | |
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| 09-02-14 04:01am - 3764 days | #5 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I feel like an old man when I say "back in the old days of internet porn", but used to sites didn't stop download managers. Also, sites weren't near as nice and click-needy as they are these days. You've probably been on a few of those older sites that have every video on one page and requires you to scroll down through them. On those sites, you could use a download manager and just put in whatever the extension was like, ".wmv", then the download manager would pick up every .wmv file on that page. I still think that's one of the biggest reasons sites went to the now common click a scene, go to its page, then click download. It takes away the ability to download without clicking to the scene's page. I once looked up site-ripping software and found mostly picture grabbers that would "grab" every .jpg file on a page, especially useful for sites without zip packs. I may be wrong, but I don't think there is a software that you can set to download every video or picture set on a site. Seems like there would be too many required manual clicks. I agree most with Pat's definition of what he considers a site ripping member. I don't remember which webmaster explained it, but it was something about they didn't like members who joined and downloaded the whole site in 2 days. Their reasoning was pretty believable saying that their site's server couldn't handle that much constant bandwith IF all their members started doing that. And you know the rest, "If we let one, where do we draw the line?" My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk | |
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| 09-02-14 06:25pm - 3764 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
My statement was only meant for the big sites where you have hundreds of gigs of content. The small to tiny sites don't need to fear site rippers because they simply have so little to download that most customers will download it all even if it takes them a couple of days. Although it is possible that some join a pay site to stream content I doubt the vast majority do so without also downloading a good chunk of the content as well. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-03-14 12:45am - 3763 days | #7 | |
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ghosty (0)
Active User Posts: 9 Registered: Jun 01, '14 |
Smaller sites probably have to fear site rippers more than the big networks. It doesn't take long to download all the content and share it via torrents and/or file lockers. Once it's all out there, it might become difficult to get people to pay, since they don't have as many bonus sites or update as often as the big networks. That's if you associate site ripping with illegal sharing. If the content is not made public, the term "heavy user" is probably more appropriate. Using tools to automatically grab all the content shouldn't be much of an issue. Because there are no good ones, as far as I know. You'd have to write them for each site individually, in order to grab all the videos. Having some heavy users isn't much of a problem for the big sites. Because when you set up the site, you calculate that you will have some heavy users and some who download less. Most people are not interested in storing terabytes of files from a single site or network on their hard drives. | |
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| 09-03-14 05:57am - 3763 days | #8 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Customers downloading my entire site isn't a problem for me. In fact, I kind of expect them to download most of it anyway. What IS a problem is when rather than keeping those downloads for personal consumption they share them or post them somewhere for others to consume. That is theft, and costs me potential customers. It's been pointed out that it also provides publicity for my site, but overall the vast majority of people who download from dodgy download sites are unlike to ever pay for anything anyway as they can get as much stolen content as they want. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 09-03-14 06:37am - 3763 days | #9 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
While I realize this is semantics, I fail to understand how someone who (is) "unlikely pay for anything" can be considered a "potential customer". I'm not trying to justify using free porn sites as a source for all of one's porn collection. I have used them when a site really holds no interest for me except for the one model who's work I follow appears there. What I've noticed is that webmasters using these sites for publicity tend to be the ones posting the material, in high quality, only they control the content being posted by editing the material down into a set length (like 4 - 7 mins) of the entire scene. It reminds of movie trailers where they show you the good parts of the movie which makes the end product seem very tantalizing but in reality are just a tease and the end result usually can't keep up with the trailer. I know that might sound confusing, but just this last week when I went and saw "Guardians of the Galaxy". I saw 7 trailers for up coming movies and I'm saying to my sister on 6 of them - "Geez - I think we just saw the best of that movie". Is this not a way to control that theft? I would think most people would use your edited "trailer" in high quality rather than 20 mins of low rez of the same scene that was downloaded and re-posted. Nothing is going to stop this type of theft but it could put a dent in it. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 09-09-14 04:38pm - 3757 days | #10 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Thanks to all for the replies. I have a lot more comfort now that I've read what you wrote. While I am a heavy downloader (initially at least) on most new sites I download, I don't use any software to 'grab' the whole site. If I'm downloading a lot from a site it is only because I like what the site offers and I want to see a lot of it. And I'm anti-piracy and pro paying for porn to keep the supply chain alive so I'd never upload to a torrent site even if I knew how to do that. | |
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| 09-09-14 10:52pm - 3756 days | #11 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Some people don't feel that they're getting the value of a site unless they download as much of the site as they possibly can. Me, I'll download stuff that I'm excited by, but I reach a point where the downloading just feels like work and then I go to browse mode and spend time enjoying the things that there are to enjoy on the site rather than spending my time downloading. The site rippers have their tech-thing all figured out and intend to vacuum the whole site, and site-owners tend to hate them because the first thing you see when you go onto any file-sharing site is people promoting their rips of this and that site, being congratulated on what a great thing they've done. How many site-rippers do it to have the content for their own pleasure and how many do it to be the latest King of File Sharing? I don't know, but I can certainly understand why it raises the hackles of site-owners. | |
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| 09-13-14 02:50am - 3753 days | #12 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
The "site rippers" referred to in this thread are people who download content, and then upload it on a file locker that pays them for downloads and referrals. But, most of them aren't downloading the content from the original sites; no they download it from one another! Most of these people are from countries like Vietnam and Thailand. The big problem for webmasters is that these people are using specially crafted software that allows them to, from their own computer, post their links simultaneously and instantly to hundreds of forums. One click, and they're all over the internet. On the flip side, many, if not most, of the file locker services they use are shady, unreliable, and often go out of business without warning. Many times, they simply cease paying the illegal uploaders, and you should see them howl over the injustice of it all! (They have a huge forum where they all discuss this, I'd leave the link but I guess I shouldn't). The good news for webmasters is that the buzz amongst them lately is that their well is drying up. The file lockers often get their bank assets frozen due to illegal files. I've seen talk of them getting into other scams, like online gambling, or maybe Nigerian email scams is more in their line! | |
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| 09-13-14 04:01am - 3753 days | #13 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I may be naïve or just stupid, but I didn't know that money changed hands in some of these cases. I always went on the assumption that these pirates did it out of some warped sense of right and wrong. Sort of Robin Hood of the high-tech world. It's great news for all of us who buy porn to support porn production that some of this piracy may be drying up. One question though (and I know this demonstrates my ignorance of the whole thing) but are "file lockers" different from torrent sites and if so, how are these different from "tube" sites. Tube sites look like they exist in a grey area where there may be some otherwise legitimate businesses engaging in less-than-ethical practices. Thanks for the info jd. | |
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| 09-13-14 11:58am - 3753 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I can't speak for the others who posted something but my posts were not referencing those people because in my book these are not site rippers. They are content thieves because they gain to profit from the theft while a site ripper is really only saving it for himself. That's not to say that a content thieve is not also a site ripper. Of course he is but I classify these people in two separate categories. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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