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| 02-19-13 08:40pm - 4323 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Can This Really Be Blamed On Porn? I read an article on Salon today about the "Labia Pride" movement. This movement is basically an Internet trend to help women, through photo-rich blogs like this one, feel good and proud about the utter uniqueness and normality of their labia and bodies more generally. There's no real equivalent of this for guys, since I assume that's what team sports and Chatroulette are for, but anything that makes women feel better about who they are while also posting pictures of themselves sounds good to me.  Still, it blames part of the problem of labiaplasty surgery and big lip embarrassment on Internet porn because it's become such an easy way for young women to see a lot of other women's bodies, particularly those damned pussy lips. The blog I linked points toward mainstream American porn as mostly to blame, though also allowing that "it depends on the porn you look at," mentioning some sites that seem to "break that mold" of small labia (Met-Art, MPL, Hegre, FTV). Which I'm not buying. Plenty of porn starlets have fake tits and Botoxed mugs, but just as many have small, natural breasts and lovely, uncut labia. And this is in mainstream porn. Hell, the guys seem to trend towards hairlessness, steroid-fueled muscles, and perpetually hard third-arm-sized erections, but are male viewers so insecure that they think this is the norm or that they need surgery? I blame the gilded assholes who offer such surgery as cosmetic "enhancement" (hey, it's not done for free) and the class of narcissists who willingly go in for such things, even offering such nuggets of wisdom as "I think she [her labia] looks better in a jar than hanging down there." Yes, someone really said that, and then it was put on TV. Am I alone in being perfectly happy whenever I get access to a woman's labia, regardless of their size, shape, or color?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-19-13 10:43pm - 4323 days | #2 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
You're not alone, turbo, but you (and I) are definitely in the minority. I think the average person doesn't have the balls to stop following the herd - and the people selling their products and/or services know that. Hype anything the right way and someone will buy it. My favorite analogy is texting and the need to upgrade your smartphone all the time. Somehow, the industry has us believing that typing out messages all day long is a convenience we can't live without. And, if you don't a phone with 120 features, including an app to track the average rainfall in Brazil, you're a loser. I've seen that Tumblr page you mentioned. They all look good to me! Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 02-20-13 04:26am - 4323 days | #3 | |
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Dracula (0)
Active User  Posts: 183 Registered: Jan 27, '13 Location: Romania |
I think it's the hyper competitive society we live in these days. A true neck-lover. | |
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| 02-20-13 08:38am - 4323 days | #4 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I guess I am too old school I did not see and issue with women like this just seems like normal to me. A women are different just like all guys are. Some guys lean to the left some to the right some hang low, some don't hang at all ( my condolences  ).Point is noses, butts, boobs are all different very few porn starts are alike and is why we have our favorites. I think as Drac said competition has got to be the drive for the stupidity to do what is done. I would think women with large one would have more sensitivity. Why change that . Since 2007 | |
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| 02-20-13 09:49am - 4323 days | #5 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I agree with you turbo. I love all kinds of sizes or shapes of labia. As a matter I am shocked to hear that there is actually surgery to remove large labia! I truly had no idea! | |
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| 02-20-13 04:36pm - 4323 days | #6 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Labia! When I'm with you I'm smiling! a song by that band called Styx ... ... which, when you say it, sounds ... fitting ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-20-13 05:27pm - 4323 days | #7 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Eric Clapton Labia... you've got me on my knees Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 02-20-13 06:28pm - 4323 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Jimi Hendrix Foxy ... labia I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 02-20-13 06:28pm - 4323 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I guess it's the fault of guys again who force all these women to get breats implants, botox, tummy tuck, nose job, face lifts, silicon injection in lips and whatever other shit women do to please all of us men...Give me a break. If a guy tells a woman that he doesn't like her labia then why is it that she's still with the loser and why is it that she seeks the help of a doctor to fix what's actually not a problme in the first place. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-20-13 07:03pm - 4323 days | #10 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Jan and Dean Little Old Labia from Pasadena (How long will this go on?)  Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 02-20-13 07:13pm - 4322 days | #11 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Isn't that what the large lip haters always ask?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-20-13 07:23pm - 4322 days | #12 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Found an article rebutting the empowerment idea of the site, saying: "But when you start a movement that says, 'Our porn-obsessed society thinks your vagina is weird, but it's not,' you risk reinforcing the first part of that message before moving on to the empowerment part." The author also spoke to porn empress Nina Hartley and said that she's "seen 'every type of vulva' in her three decades working in the industry. When young women start out in porn, producers don't send them off for a routine labiaplasty, she says. They tend to instead say, 'You want to take off your clothes and have sex on camera? Yay!'" Thank you Nina. Maybe the site should get rid of the 'like' feature, but it's not that I ever want women to stop taking photos of themselves.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-21-13 12:46am - 4322 days | #13 | |
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KET924aab (0)
Active User Posts: 60 Registered: Dec 18, '12 Location: California, USA |
When I first read this, I was thinking "what porn are they looking at?" All the porn I've seen shows a variety of shapes and sizes of pussies. Now, if they wanted to say that porn makes women feel strange if they don't shave their pubes--that I could agree with. And if they wanted to accuse the US/Los Angeles porn industry of promoting fake tits; yep, I could go along with that (thankfully that trend hasn't caught on in Euroland). But I certainly don't see a preponderance of small, neat, and symetrical labia in American porn, or any other porn for that matter. And I should know, because I love that kind of pussy, and look for them on all the sites I join. But in the real world and in porn land, I'd say maybe 10 to 20 percent of women have small labia. The majority have medium sized lips. And while my preference is for the small and neat, I really do luv licking em all!  Anyway, I did a little exploring on that site, and I think I found out where the blogger girl (who is Australian) came up with the notion that the porn industry is promoting small labia. Turns out, its the Australian porn magazine industry (and their censors) rather than the American porn industry. Apparently in Australia there are 2 classifications for porn mags--unrestricted and restricted. The unrestricted mags seem to be available for purchase by anyone of any age (you'd never see that here in the USA), while the restricted are for age 18 and older. There are censors who review each magazine prior to publication and decide which category the magazine goes in. If the labia are showing, it gets restricted. If all you can see is a "single crease", it gets unrestricted. So magazine editors have staff people whose job it is to photoshop out the labia. I'm not talking about a little touch up here and there--its completely altering and faking the photo. There's a link to a video that shows this on the blog: http://largelabiaproject.tumblr.com/post...om-australias-abc-tv Now that's pretty bizarre! And if this is the kind of porn that Australian women are looking at, then I'd have to agree that its promoting an unrealistic view of whats normal. But to blame porn in general, or American porn specifically, doesn't make sense to me. I think that's a case of using an easy scapegoat. Most women have pretty negative views of porn, and if someone on TV or on a blog says that porn is responsible for the increase in this rather bizarre surgery, they just take their word for it. I'd give a good chunk of the blame to the plastic surgeons--almost all of whom never saw a body that they didn't think they could "fix". And they have a huge financial incentive to promote this, since surgeons of all kinds really rake in the dough when they're in the operating room. I wish the blogger girl the best of success in helping women overcome their insecurities about their "lady bits". | |
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| 02-21-13 02:08pm - 4322 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Yeah, it seems that as usual the moral and decency laws aren't just scared of sex but just plain ignorant of the human body itself, particularly the female's, what with all the mysterious parts and functions. I mean, who could possibly understand any of it?  But the labia aren't equivalent to the penis in that if they're bigger, or appear to be, it means the woman is turned on--they just naturally are that way on many women. The clitoris would be most analogous in that it can change size from arousal, but a lot of porn never even acknowledges it, much less tries to show it. Kinda goes back to the pioneering days of Hustler in that it was revolutionary for being one of the first big porn magazines to show that female genitalia consisted of more than just a gauzy haze of pubic hair. Of course empowering women was probably about the last thing on anyone's mind at Hustler. Even today (or last time I remember looking at one) it seems that Playboy treats the shaven cameltoe as out of focus and vague, since the bush is all but extinct. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-21-13 02:48pm - 4322 days | #15 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
The female body is a wonderful masterpiece, every corner curve and angle the skin makes them who we all love to adore. I think plastic surgery unless for medical safety issues or health should be illegal. Humans are just fine the way we are, 300years ago heavy overweight people were attractive both sexual and respectfully. It was a sign of power and wealth and we all know how sexy power and wealth is. Flashforward 2013. The human body is flawed and the most brilliant minds tell us to cut, nip and tuck is what makes us human. Leaving us as we are would stop and slowly reverse the realistic view of humans. I think women are awesome,and I for one usually hate any alterations with few exceptions. Since 2007 | |
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| 02-21-13 03:19pm - 4322 days | #16 | |
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Dracula (0)
Active User Posts: 183 Registered: Jan 27, '13 Location: Romania |
So perfectly stated I can't agree more. Natural looks are what makes us unique and special. Plastic surgery makes everyone artificial and similar. A true neck-lover. | |
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| 02-22-13 12:59am - 4321 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
 Rubenesque was the original BBW genre. It is interesting how things have changed in terms of body image and its implied social status throughout history. Fat was indeed perceived as rich in the past--money for food and for servants to do all the heavy lifting--now we've turned it into a shaming device to ridicule people as undisciplined, lazy, and of course too dumb to simply eat what is "right." Funny how in much of today's culture it is okay for the fit and thin know-it-alls to pass off their own dietary choices as how everyone else should eat and live. Even worse it allows a mayor of a large city to further vent his idiotic Napoleon complex on his subjects. In an inverse change of what is actually healthy, fair skin used to be a symbol of being well off. A tanned complexion was seen as that of a laborer's, particularly one who worked outside in the fields. Now we tell people they have a "healthy glow" (dermatologists would say otherwise) or that you "need" some sun (and they need to shut the fuck up and learn what sunburns and skin cancer are!  ). Unless you're suffering from vitamin D deficiency--which is pretty difficult if you're not malnourished--a tan should really be avoided. And now we have plastic surgery, a whole other can of worms, and with huge profits to boot! "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-22-13 07:59pm - 4320 days | #18 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Labelle Labia Marmalade I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Feb 22, 2013, 08:04pm | |
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