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| 07-07-13 08:34pm - 4148 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Are some of these webmasters grossly shortsighted or what? Our forum is rife with direct and indirect pleads to sites we're purchasing from to make sensible alterations, changes, or whatever other action we feel is overdue to equal the playing field, shooting for our forgotten needs while ideally maintaining a favorable statis quo for sites. Our reviews are giving these guys invaluable input from a seasoned viewer's perspective ...... a feature too many sites easily take for granted: and others that just don't give a damned. Our rants are a clear and definitive measure that's of particular importance ... but, unfortunately, doesn't get the response it deserves. A continuing example on my part are nagging efforts through repeated rants about shabby camera work, ongoing poor video operations, and, above all, 7th grade level at directing and putting together a decent product. The message and short answer summing all this up is clearly that we're given only a deaf ear and blind eye to what we're crying out for. And as long as the bucks flow and nobody's making waves ..... I guess we'll pay-up and continue taking what we're given. If this thread brings up similar things bugging you that you'd like to let out ......please post it here for us to study and/or comment on. | |
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| 07-08-13 10:57am - 4147 days | #2 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I would put the blame for "non-responsive" web masters and sites on the porn consumer as well, gm. If they didn't make money with the crap they present they wouldn't be in business. There are way too many whose taste, as they say, is all in their mouth, and as long as they are in the majority the inadequacies found in many porn sites' offerings will continue. Don't forget, gm, the opinions you find here, in this forum, are written by literate people and don't represent the common view. Most of us, here, are against fake breasts yet every time I express a dislike of those horrible balloons in a site like Video Box I get slammed with negative votes. Same with ATK Natural and Hairy. I think it would be safe to say that a vast majority of PUs in this forum are against hairy legs on a model, yet ATK have decided to concentrate on exactly that from now on. They wouldn't have done that if there wasn't a good number of fetishists who like to look at stubbly legs. Never underestimate the bad taste of the general population. If this sounds elitist, so be it! | |
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| 07-08-13 12:56pm - 4147 days | #3 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
I got my taste in porn from Penthouse when they started fanciful pictorials with exotic sets and costumes. I especially enjoyed their science fiction themes sets. I'm a science fiction fan from the days they showed Flash Gordon on Saturday mornings. Princess Aura just oozed sex appeal. No one wants to invest that kind of money for a photo shoot anymore and a video is totally out of the question. So it is panties, bra, black nylons, and spike heels on a bed or sofa over and over again. They throw in a swimming pool scene occasionally and you have a website for 24.95 or 29.95 a month. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 07-08-13 05:56pm - 4147 days | #4 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
And you're oh-so right, my friend. You make a convincingly proper and poignant case ........ but who's listening? Porn peddlers are seemingly operating on the merits of a popular, dug-in phase: "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." They're complacent because the money jus' keeps flowing in. But they will jump on new, profitable ideas..... Cross checking being a classic example. One of my main rants is the videographer's obsession for close-ups ...... the dumb-ass is shooting a guy's hairy ass atop a chick he's banging with seemingly no end in sight. I don't expect this thread to change things ..... but I'll still continue to unload on them periodically, If for nothing else than to make me feel better. | |
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| 07-08-13 06:54pm - 4147 days | #5 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Thanks, Biker, for sharing this with us. Your thoughts are truly appreciated. I've decided on the panties ......please have a well worn, unwashed collection by Aria Giovanni delivered in care Of Pornusers to my door. | |
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| 07-09-13 10:41am - 4146 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I agree with the points made. One of my own pet hates is the perpetual close up. Not a turn on, more a turn off. It's enough to put you off women and porn. It will continue because of lowest common denominator attitude. Messmer summed it up well. It is more about the average porn consumer, who isn't exactly over intelligent or fussy. As long as it's shoved in his face, he's happy. Maybe age has something to do with it too. The majority here are not very young, so we're in the minority when it comes to porn, and so is our taste. I like mainstream porn, but even I too, have a distaste for what are the PU pet hates. It probably isn't changing, it's more likely to get worse. Cheap as possible porn is plentiful and will continue because it's cost effective. | |
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| 07-09-13 01:58pm - 4146 days | #7 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Yeah, the era of big budget porn has been over for a while. Quite frankly, if there were 2 sites with comparable content but one featured more "exotic" settings I'd probably choose the one with the better price. About the only time you see authentic sets any more is with the parody shoots and with some of the top porn stars at major production companies. However, it doesn't cost much to be creative and it doesn't take big smarts to figure out how to put together a decent shoot. I'd pay more money for that over a set any day. | |
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| 07-12-13 07:03am - 4143 days | #8 | |
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diip (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 16 Registered: Jun 13, '13 |
Hi... I am a former webmaster of few sites that are listed here. I had email conversations with some of our subscribers (couple of them are respected members of PU) in the past... I could not mute myself anymore while reading this thread. The site developers, the final owner of the site, the cameraman (or content producer), the support stuff are usually very different persons or even separate companies. Each of them concentrating on sales and conversions. Each one is "stealing" the "sales ideas" from its competitor. Some models/actors are really enjoy their work and are open to advices. Another just want their quick money. I even know some girls that are counting the shutter sound during the session. The photographer/cameraman is selling the quantity of shoots or minutes of video. There are many criteria... but if you have not delivering good quality, you could always make the same money just increasing the quantity. Quantity is an easiest way. So, why learn? Some "photographers" just making their shooting to be able to sell the stuff not to final user, but to the site owner... Not so much of them have a good taste, educated or creative enough... And only very small part of that crowd is making their artwork to be suitable for themselves. Some producers are making good money and escape the business... yeah, because it was just a business, not a lifestyle, not the thing that they would like to continue and develop. Site owners are always looking on their stats more than on faces (of the models, photographers, developers)... They better invest another buck in advertisement, but not to improving the product. They already obtain the content that needed to be sold. Sold, not improved. Customer support is expenditure part of the business, that is why it could be outsourced too. Business model should be as easy as possible, get the stuff as cheap as possible (even very hi quality stuff, could be found with valuable discount or bulk) and sale it as much as possible... Art? Happy customers? Quality? In most cases the quality of sales page is only matters... In other words... You probably know, that most "fresh" updates represent a content that was already taken at least few days (sometimes even months) ago. Actually there is no effective mechanism to deliver a valuable suggestion of a customer to the models/actors and initial producer... And most are making big temporary money, not things to be proud off forever. /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// /// I am developer... and currently busy with making my own project. Some features there are based on common wishes of people from that letters. I am also implementing another "business" logic for involved photographers and models to be able to get rid of "industry indifference standards". PS. Denner, I have no access to my previous mailbox anymore, but I restored my IMAP dump and recover some contacts. Pls, check your gmail and drop me a line if you remember me. - | |
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| 07-13-13 05:40am - 4142 days | #10 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Thank you, diip, for your input. As one already associated with, and qualifiedly representing the industry of porn as a whole.... may I say your contribution here, in this single posting, although pretty much agrees on what we already know ... however goes a big step further shedding more light on this subject and what's brewing in the studios. | |
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| 07-13-13 01:28pm - 4142 days | #11 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I guess that one thing that we can tell from what diip said is that the money from sales makes the business people running the sites happy, which is what concerns them. Whether the consumers are happy, that don't matter so much. So what if the camera keeps going in and out of focus every 2 seconds? So what if the B/G scene contains 30 full seconds of disgusting man ass filling the screen? So what if the shot has all of the composition of an angry housewife running down her cheating husband with the Lincoln Navigator? It isn't like they're paying us. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. Edited on Jul 13, 2013, 01:33pm | |
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| 07-13-13 04:06pm - 4142 days | #12 | |
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diip (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 16 Registered: Jun 13, '13 |
I do not want to generalize. If it is a true that there are not so much respect inside... then how it could be outside? This situation is quite sad. Artistic, talented, intelligent, polite people are always in the minority. Now, please, turn your imagination ON. For most companies the porn production itself is something like a drug. And drug lord does not care much about his addicted consumers. Drug lord is protecting his area from other drug lords. He even do not bother to sale his shit himself... In this simple scheme the term of "happy customer" is undefined by default. And it is not a secret how much affiliate is getting from the single sale and each subsequent rebill... 50-75%. The banking fees here are additional from 9-15% (but to be completely honest, sometimes splitted with affiliate)... So, why this dirty calculations are here? It is just to illustrate that content is often secondary. Sales that making new sales are primary... It's a money machine, not a pleasure box. Again, I do not want to generalize, I am just sharing my own experience and observations. So, please, do not take offence. Lets also remember about the companies which are making the quality production with a passion. Yes, always remember about real artists which are primary happy about full concert halls and true applause. - | |
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| 07-13-13 04:32pm - 4142 days | #13 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
What diip says has the ring of truth. When I watched a porn producer talk frankly on a late night chat show on British television about 20 years ago one of the things he said was along the lines of "it isn't about enjoyment or fun, the whole point of producing porn is to get it up and do it as quickly, as cheaply, as efficiently, and as many times as possible." I don't think much has changed. There will always be a few maverick male producers who do it for the enjoyment as much as for the money, but basically it's a sausage machine. | |
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| 07-13-13 06:37pm - 4142 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I'm sure what that producer said 20 years ago is the truth but he was not talking about the kind of porn we now see being made. The 90's was probably the best decade the porn industry ever had and although they were making a lot less feature porn. They were not making the kind of crap we've seen made in the last 5 years. I'd love to know what he thinks of todays porn VS the kind he was making back then. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 07-13-13 07:30pm - 4142 days | #15 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
He was making cheap crap from the sound of it, so production quality would be even worse than cheap quality today. I have no particular love for 80's or 90's porn, whereas I generally like mainstream porn today, and think it is mainly very well done, although I hate the things that PU regulars really hate too. I am not the slightest surprised what diip says about the attitude porn producers and companies have about porn consumers. They churn out lowest common denominator stuff, but that lowest common denominator stuff isn't all that bad given the continuing increase in spec. I accept porn is mainly sausage machine or baked bean production, with a few mavericks, specialists, and niches outside mainstream. There are things that irritate me, but I look at all the amazing porn I have seen in the last 5 years and compare it to what I was watching 10-30 years ago and there's no comparison. It's only opinion, but from my perspective things look great. There is obviously now a downturn in production, but there had to be, as things couldn't go on the way they were. There was too much porn being made, and I am not as negative as some, about the future of porn. | |
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| 07-13-13 11:21pm - 4141 days | #16 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I enthusiastically agree with Pat and squirrel, both of whom, although slightly differing, have eloquently given this subject more to think about. I won't even throw in my usual two cents because one cannot generally improve on perfection. However, Indulge me if you will while I exemplify my analogy about then and now's industry footing: To wit: "Porn's engine of progress surrounding the 90s era was operating on a full tank of premium momentum. Today's operative momentum is progressively being reduced to riding on fumes." ........ how much further can it go on that? Porn has come a long way, that's for sure. But so did Rome. | |
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| 07-14-13 03:43am - 4141 days | #17 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I agree. Overall I'd much rather be watching something from the last five years than almost anything from the 1990s. You now get a much bigger selection of genres, fetishes, qualities, and formats. Of course these all seem to screw over the producers who have suffer with consumers who can buy, or just as easily steal, individual clips and scenes and not have to suffer through full length DVDs, features, or whatever compilations were thrown together. And frankly, especially for many viewers around my age, "plot" just doesn't factor in the way it seems to for the older porn hounds. Let's be honest; you take an average 20-something who has watched porn (never mind the kind of person this age who claims to have never done so  ) and they won't have the nicest thing to say about porn 'staches, overgrown bushes, and Ron Jeremy without an enormous gut. And don't take it the wrong way, but the idea of buying a VHS (or "borrowing" Dad's  ), going to a theater, or sitting through an hour-plus feature is laughable to many of us. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 07-18-13 03:43pm - 4137 days | #18 | |
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diip (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 16 Registered: Jun 13, '13 |
(irony/) Nowadays, the quality is a question of technology, and I am very sorry that many people are just thinking only about megapixels. It is probably true, that one day even rave dancing while filming ends up with smooth and steady picture. But today, we could use just special stabilization gears (that are heavy enough), crane or tripod. With improved picture we are getting more ass hairs, skin scratches, etc... Picture looks realistic but sometimes not very aesthetically. May be that is why people subconsciously shake the camera? Sometimes stuff in not of very high quality looks breathtakingly, while when seeing the potentially good picture you are waiting for global quality improvement... And bummer. (/irony) While making my own project I am thinking a lot about end user and his role. Designing concepts, features, making plans... But time to time some questions are crashing my head... No one would like to advertise me if I put very small entrance fee. You know, that even total crap could be sold with expensive promotional campaign. But if I am putting all my savings in development, I have no enough resources to promote myself (it is a common problem of those who do)... So, how and where could I get my faithful customers? How they react on my very first ugly steps? Roughly speaking, customers should nurse me first... and be pretty tolerate. Why they have to like my beginning and participate if there are so much mega sites around? Now tell me, how much people that are surfing for free or paid porn willing not to get instant access to tons of screaming content but to invest in the future of the "new community"? How much people were deceived before big projects were small? Howbeit, I am repeating to myself again and again: "Just move forward, just create... and do not pay attention to the naysayers." I put my revelations here just for illustration of another side. And if you are looking for porn, you are ending up with a "porn". As clever customer is not very welcomed to this industry, as another side projects are not very popular to promote... - Edited on Jul 18, 2013, 03:49pm | |
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| 08-21-13 04:55pm - 4103 days | #19 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
diip, thank you for this. I do all the work on my site, from creating it, running it, photography, finding new girls to model, everything. I have recently hired a woman to do advertising, as I do not have the time, but again it is self promotion. I have no budget for full on purchased advertising. So, what I am focusing on is making the site as user friendly, and as open to suggestions as I possibly can, in hopes that the site becomes at least popular with enough people to keep us going. I am not looking to making a fortune with the site, hell if I can just make enough to recoup my investments and keep paying the models, and keep the site running I will be ecstatic. Not nearly there yet, hahaha. But this is something I love doing, and won't give up on it until I have to, and that isn't anytime soon. It is hard work, I have a full time day job and do the website on evenings and weekends, but again, it is something I love doing. I have no delusions of ever becoming a millionaire doing the site, I don't, and won't, have the type of content that most porn sites sell. But, I do hope I can fill a niche that is lacking, and if it means we just limp along, then I am fine with that. I am more concerned with making something I am proud of. On another note, I find it sad that so many porn producers have the reputation of being assholes, and so disrespectful of the models. I don't think I could ever be that way personally. I actually give a damn about the girls I shoot, and become friends with them. But then again, I do not consider myself a pornographer, nor do I consider what we do porn, so that may be the difference there. Sorry for rambling, when I get started, I have a difficult time stopping.  Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site Edited on Aug 21, 2013, 05:01pm | |
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| 08-21-13 07:52pm - 4103 days | #20 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Herewith is a copy of a post I entered on previous thread on this page. I'm repeating here so you won't miss it: To wit: Let me give you an invaluable tip, if you don't already know it. The most exciting young model I have seen in this era is a young Russian woman by the name of Ella ...... who's a member with two other models making up a team (non-nude) called "fame girls." The further you go back into Ella's career modeling with this group, the more ideas you're going to garner that, if incorporated into a budding site like yours, and assuming you have the right girl/or girls who'll do for costuming what Ella has and still is doing for hers .......you'll have a formula that'll make you quit your day job. | |
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| 08-21-13 08:34pm - 4103 days | #21 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Thank you Graymane. I will definitely check out Ella, probably spend the evening doing so. I cannot express my gratitude to the members here, you are all very kind, polite, and very helpful and the input is invaluable to me. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 08-21-13 10:39pm - 4102 days | #22 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Indeed.  This forum is just about unique on the internet for being adult about adult concerns. Which is why I hope at least the forum carries over to any imminent revision of this site.  Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-22-13 06:06am - 4102 days | #23 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
If you can do something that not everyone else is doing success is just minutes away. If you look at pioneers in the adult industry the most famous people were ones who did something different and marketed it as such, if people can know your brand you are a sure in to do well. Playboy need I say more. A man listened to what men wanted and succeeded the largest adult industry identity to that date and for decades on. Playboy only lost ground when the internet and cable took off. Heff I solute you  Since 2007 | |
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| 08-22-13 07:38am - 4102 days | #24 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I'll see your Playboy and raise you Larry Flynt's Hustler. Men who were bored and uninterested with Playboy's high class airs and excessive writing got what they wanted with Hustler: unapologetically dirty porn! Today Playboy is only a little more naughty than an FHM or Maxim but with much better manners (I would be embarrassed to be caught reading those latter two magazines). Hefner definitely established a brand though. Unfortunately that seems to be much of what people recognize today; a logo and an outspoken founder. It's not exactly the era of Playboy After Dark or Playboy clubs anymore. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-22-13 10:09am - 4102 days | #25 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I recall when those hit the magazine racks. There was full beaver with no mystery .  I hear what you say about Hustler, but that could be said about a few others too, my thought was that Heff, started the ball rolling ( I think he dropped the ball on an opportunity missed ) but their was hustler, Brazzers which was called something else originally can't remember. Allot of people did some great stuff and then it kinda goes south after their fame I guess.  Since 2007 | |
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| 08-22-13 03:50pm - 4102 days | #26 | |
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
Graymane, I did check out Ella last night. I do see what you mean. Very sexy. I have one new model for sure who I know could be great with the costuming sets, and a few others who, given a bit of time, are candidates. Thanks again for the information. I agree about Heff. The guy took a huge leap, at a time when it probably shouldn't have worked. Well before his time. He opened the door for Flynt and the others. Without Heff, they would never have been able to do what they did. While I was never a huge Playboy reader, some of the articles were interesting, most I couldn't care less about, I think the reasoning behind having all the articles was to make it more mainstream, instead of just a naked womens mag. That was his genius. He made it acceptable. And the rest is history. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | |
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| 08-24-13 03:05am - 4100 days | #27 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Fans of this genre will likely not be short of suggestions, both for content & method of delivery. I think you have come to the right place to ask! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 08-24-13 04:54am - 4100 days | #28 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Took the words right out of my mouth, my good friend .. And they look far better, and carry more clout coming out of yours. I appreciate your valuable support, sir. I urge you to hang around and jump right back in if the sprit moves you. | |
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| 08-24-13 06:01am - 4100 days | #29 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Yep, but be prepared, you will get a few members wanted a pink lizard suit wearing a cowboy hat riding a pig in the rain, why listening the Elton John and tossing feathers .  Since 2007 | |
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| 08-24-13 06:12am - 4100 days | #30 | ||
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Simarimas (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 75 Registered: Nov 05, '11 Location: dallas Texas |
That is a good thing. Coming up with new content, ideas for shoots, outfits etc. is an ongoing battle. I love when people give me input, be it the models, members, or whoever, on possible shoots.
Feathers might be hard to come by. Webmaster/Owner www.SeeMeTease.com amateur modeling site | ||
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