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| 03-19-09 08:15am - 5719 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Free access/trust/integrity Hope nobody here at PU will ever accuse this user for marketing or PR for any site - because of some/or rather ONE free access. But bottomline, this is it: Once did a review for a site - NU Dolls - in the straight way and manner. I just fell for the site and gave it 92 (this site is probably still the best if you're looking for soft/solo easteuro video-stuff (and some HC/BG, too.)(and a site like FM teens, but better and cheaper) - so it's NOT top, but a nummer 9 at my favorites according to PU. The webmasters at NU Dolls was thrilled. They asked me if they could put the words from my review from PU at their site. Why the heck not! - So, yes - of course. AFTER that they have given me a "longtime" free acces to the site. So the question is: Is this kind af deal ok here at PU? Remember the deal, I was offered, was AFTER my review. And is it still ok to place comments about the site you got free access to - I'd think so - especilly IF other PUs know that this particular PU has that kind of access. In the end it's a matter af TRUST - could you still rely on a fellow PU making comments/new reveiws for a site you know the user has free access to? I do not know how many other friends here have some kind of the same deal - BTW this is the only one for this user til now. But would you have problems with my/our future comments and maybe new reviews for those sites - IF you knew about the "free ride"? Again bottomline: It's all a matter of trust and integrity! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 19, 2009, 08:48am | |
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| 03-19-09 09:00am - 5719 days | #2 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
No is the short answer. Here is the reasoning. I think most of the long time members on this site know who the trustworthy ones are. I don't think there is any question of your integrity being questioned. But Khan and Rick may have a problem with this sort of thing because, although the reliable ones here aren't going to ask for any freebies, a situation could arise where newer or unreliable ones start asking for freebies of some sort. So Rick and Khan may well object to it, even though I think they probably know you are going to do honest reviews and give honest opinions. Do I have double standards? Yes, most definitely, and I don't mind admitting to it. Because of the quality of contributions from Denner, Toadsith, Messmer, Wittyguy, Drooler, Pat, Monahan, Exotics, Andy, Ace and a number of othe regulars, I am going to give them a greater amount of leeway on this sort of thing. That's just me. My opinion doesn't really count as it's not my site. The owner and manager may well disagree with my and your opinions, and say this breaks the rules or goes very close to breaking the rules. Some members will disagree, some will agree. I always consider trust is built up over a period of time. The ones I mention, are to me the most trustworthy. I am a relative newbie, so I have a long way to go, as do others, before people should start trusting us. This is in a sort of grey area, although once again, Rick and Khan may disagree. Personally I think it's okay, especially where it's stated. But the people who own and run this site have to be very careful about freebies of any kind, because of objections from sites who may consider a review clouded because of favouritism. To me, there is no question about your opinions being trustworthy. But I realise Rick and Khan may not like it. Then again they may totally surprise me by saying it's okay. So that's one more thing I am going to get wrong. Edited on Mar 19, 2009, 09:05am | |
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| 03-19-09 09:14am - 5719 days | #3 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Thanks for a very straight answer from TheSquirrel here. I very much agree on this: "......But the people who own and run this site have to be very careful about freebies of any kind, because of objections from sites who may consider a review clouded because of favouritism." That's the main reason I bring this up. Generally who can say NO to a freebie for a "favorite pornsite" - what would be your reason? - in this day and time, sorry that was a little too much phrase.. But then again a question. Take your freebie as a PU if you get it offered - and then stay away from mentioning that particular site here (but for how long, if you really like it?) Or before you comment/make new review - then STATE that you're on a freebie - at the moment. I'm still uncertain here - just want thing to be straight and fair- that's why I brought this up - would have felt like a RAT just to ignore it....and hide the facts about this freebie - could have kept a low profile on this - but that would have been dishonest. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 19, 2009, 09:28am | |
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| 03-19-09 09:45am - 5719 days | #4 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
I do agree with what you are saying, and there is no questioning your integrity IMO. But if it becomes well known that a site offers a freebie for glowing reviews, then that potentially gives some problems to PU. As always, people can exploit goodwill and honesty to their own ends. I believe the site offered you the freebie with really good intentions, and you accepted it with integrity intact. Trouble is, people always seem to know how to use loopholes, and have a way of dragging people down to their level. Unscrupulous sites and reviewers could use that sort of thing to their advantage. Good thread by the way! | |
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| 03-19-09 11:19am - 5719 days | #5 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 02:47pm | |
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| 03-19-09 11:48am - 5719 days | #6 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Lots and lots of relevant inputs here from Wittyguy - and MAYBE we're getting close to basics with that input. Still, I'm just a little curious: Am I the only one here at PU who got that kind of deal? If not: come forward, fellow-PUs and join the thread... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 03-19-09 01:50pm - 5719 days | #7 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I have never gotten a free membership (though I certainly would not mind it!), but then again I don't join a lot of sites, and I have never exactly been blinded by my excitment after having joined a site either. The site I have given my highest score to (a lofty 97 to ALSScan) has since made some changes that I don't like, and whenever I re-review it I will almost certainly give them a lower score. I have even e-mailed the webmaster my thoughts, so I don't think I will ever get anything free from them, but I would never let that determine a review or score. But if I ever was given a free membership I would think it would be fair to post a comment about on the site's PU page or in the review itself, or even go so far as to delete the review. So far, you are on the only one here at PU to even review the site -- and that was May of last year -- so I would leave it, but if you had gotten the freebie prior to your review I would definitely make a note of it somewhere. Nobody can be purely objective anyway, but getting something for free always makes it seem that much nicer, especially if that something is access to a smoking porn site. Even when we get things like our PU discounts, we should still note the normally high or low price in the review. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-19-09 07:21pm - 5719 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've never been offered a free lifetime membership, so I can't be sure how I would deal with it. Since your original review was from a paying customer then that review is valid and acceptable. The problem is for a re-visiting of that site. I would like to think that I could be objective in any future review, but then again I am getting a free ride from the webmaster, so part of me would feel guilty about slamming that site. I'm not saying that you would, but I might. Another problem with the free aspect is that I personally use the cost of a membership when giving a score. It's not the actual amount as much as what you get for that amount. I've paid 10$ for a site and thought that I was robed while I paid 45$ for another and thought that is was a bargain. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-20-09 06:51pm - 5718 days | #9 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Hey guys, just need to chime in here ... First and foremost, we appreciate Denner's candor for asking how his specific case fits in with our terms. People of lesser integrity would have just kept their mouths shut and submitted what they wanted. For the record, we do have a policy that we will not accept Reviews based on free access. I don't see that policy changing in the foreseeable future. On several occasions we've mentioned some of our reasoning for the policy so I won't repeat them here. Suffice it to say we feel strongly that it's in the best interest of PornUsers. Please understand, we can understand the reasoning that certain users can give an honest review regardless if their access was free or not. We're not questioning anyone's personal integrity. However, we'd ask that you see it from our perspective. We simply can't have rules that apply to *most* users but that certain users can ignore. It goes against the whole spirit of keeping things fair and above-board. To address this specific case ... Because the free access was given after the initial review, we don't feel the need to pull the review. Had the review been made after the free access, we'd remove it. We do feel that posting a Comment based on the free access would be ok ... up to a degree .. and if the user discloses that they're basing their remarks on free access. However, we can't accept further Reviews for that site from that user. As far as "how long" you should hold off from posting about a site that gave you free access ... well, at least until you paid for access again. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know our "official" position on this one. Hope that answers any questions you may have had about what is and isn't allowed. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 03-20-09 10:23pm - 5717 days | #10 | |
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jd1961 (0)
Active User  Posts: 296 Registered: Jun 07, '07 |
I trust you but here's the problem: Now that this is known, maybe I'll give them a 99 in hopes of getting free access also! | |
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| 03-21-09 11:38am - 5717 days | #11 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
My view is this: There was nothing wrong with your review if I believe that you had no inkling that you would get the reward that you received. I have no reason NOT to believe it so there was nothing wrong with your review. It's a review of the site from someone that appreciated the site. As to future comments on the site, such as "Hey, I just noticed that they made this great change" - larger vids, more frequent updates, larger resolution pics or whatever, the challenge for you is to do an internal double check: Would I be posting this comment if I were an ordinary paying member of this site? If the internal double check comes back "yes", well post it. The main purpose of PU is to share information about the sites that we have experience with - this is still a site that you have experience with so the fact that you were the recipient of this present from them should not disqualify you from the ability to share information on this site with us. And don't think badly of me when I review this site and give it a 105 - lol | |
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| 03-21-09 01:07pm - 5717 days | #12 | |
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ControllingMind (0)
Suspended  Posts: 52 Registered: Jan 29, '09 Location: Inside An Unseen Force |
How did the NU Dolls webmaster find out which site member made the PU review? Nothing wrong with giving an honest opinion of a site good or bad, whether you have free access or not, but physcologically it could be difficult situation to maintain a balanced approach. You might feel you are biting the hand that feeds you, if a negative aspect arises. Personally I can't see problems with comments or follow ups, since honesty has already been shown by disclosing the free membership. Fair play to the site as well, they deserve marks for rewarding a loyal member. | |
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