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| 04-25-10 04:41am - 5317 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Porn Site Feedback & Discussion Whilst this site tends to buck the trend, in that it has many lucid regular contributors, I have noticed it is a problem generally with porn sites that they don't seem to generate much useful feedback or discussion. There is certainly a reticence to post on many porn site fora I have seen, barring the odd one off rants. I have been trying to work out why this is. I feel it maybe that the majority of surfers have a limited attention span & move on quickly if they do not see anything that appeals, rather than stay & ask for what they are looking for? Voting on Polls. Does it give an accurate representation of the members' views? I doubt it, as it is just down to individual interpretation of the way the question is phrased and the options given for voting. Granted, you are more likely to get someone ticking a box than taking the trouble to create a coherent post or, heaven forbid, a new thread!!  What does our community think? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-25-10 09:54am - 5317 days | #2 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Making contributions in forums is a frustrating experience because even larger sites like AO30 may have three - four posters a day which doesn't make for a very interesting exchange of ideas. The forum you have in mind was even worse, sometimes there would be days between contributions and I finally gave up, especially since most of my remarks would have been negative, and I didn't want to hurt the web masters feelings on a daily basis! We are very fortunate here because this one took off right from the beginning. As to Polls, I take part in them but don't believe for one moment that my ideas make any difference because they are never introduced. (see my comment above re. making negative posts) I am being out-shouted by the majority. Same with rating picture sets and models. I will absolutely despise a set for its lack of imagination and general blandness, yet see with bewilderment that it has received a very high mark from the majority, while the sets I love and rate highly tend to score low on average. I think both you and I wish that sites, rather than trying to cater to every taste, stuck to one niche. For some of the niches you might find only about five percent of Porn Users that are interested, but counting their number world wide, this would still be enough to make the site a success. | |
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| 04-25-10 10:04am - 5317 days | #3 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I heartily agree with that!  My intent was to make a generally global statement, but you are right that is specific too.  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-25-10 10:24am - 5317 days | #4 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
And it was a good global statement, Cap'n!  I should have answered more specifically: Yes, polls accurately reflect members' views but are useless to the site because they would have to diversify too much to oblige everyone and that would mean that no one is very impressed. Same for the ratings: useless because your ideal set might be my nightmare and we cancel each other out when you mark yours a five and I mark mine a one and the model thinks what the heck is wrong with me, why did I only rate a two and a half?  | |
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| 04-25-10 10:37am - 5317 days | #5 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I fear you may well be right! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-25-10 06:42pm - 5317 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm not disagreeing with your statement but it begs the question of why a site would have a forum if not to see what their members think of them and their content. I would hope that a site uses what is inside their forum and build from comments. It's true that some comments may be completely usueless but you can also find the seed of your destruction or survival. Clearly if a specific theme keeps croping out in the forum then not addressing it can have serious repurcussion on your future. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-25-10 07:02pm - 5317 days | #7 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I was referring to the occasional poll that a site brings our way, Pat. That should be quite accurate unless many members can't even be bothered to tick a box in order to further their preferences. When it comes to forums an estimate of the users preferences, based on a handful of posts by only a few, would be far less accurate, in my opinion. Of course, you are right. Sites do have forums in order to see what their members think of them and their content, problem is hardly anyone uses them as I stated above. | |
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| 04-27-10 08:03am - 5315 days | #8 | |
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Alder Media Gro (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 2 Registered: Mar 14, '10 Location: United States |
There is a huge difference in the amount of interaction with members that we get from one niche site to another. We removed the forums from our straight sites because they just were not being used. But the ones on the gay sites are very very active. We do have polls on the straight sites along with ratings, comments, etc BUT our stats tell us a different story then the polls and forums. When members are asked do you prefer X or Y, they may vote "Y" but the stats show that they actually view or download "X" so the polls may sometimes be wrong. Polls and forums are great for getting feedback and suggestions that we may not have considered however and are critical to creating a positive member experience. | |
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| 04-27-10 11:53am - 5315 days | #9 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
In my opinion forums are popping up at porn sites just so that they can say they have one (because everyone else does too) and they probably think it's something that the younger porn crowd who's tapped into social networking demands. I've never posted on a site forum and I rarely look at them. For me, it's just a distraction from the goodies I'm there to download. I also think that it's hard to get a webmaster's attention with just a few posts on a site's forum. You may have the best intentions and make valid points / critiques but, again, you're just one voice. I think it makes more sense to post at places like PU where there are more voices to join you and where a large number of potential customers can see the criticisms. Another problem with site forums is that I don't think the sites put much effort into them. In my book, they should be spending their time updating, upgrading and making better content anyway, not monitoring what some douche bag has to say about some models tits. Also, with pay sites people come and go so no one really establishes a forum identity except for a few long time members who obviously love the site. Site polls are another thing I avoid. They are simply side entertainment and not worth getting involved with. I really don't care which model gets the title of "Ms. July Ass Muncher". When it comes to polls asking about content, I think sites are probably better served by looking at what their competition is offering and focusing on better quality and more updates than what the occasional perv has to say. Besides, by their nature, polls are limiting devices; you can only choose from a few potential answers by people who are presumably at the site because they like the content. Relying on polls to drive your site is sort of like asking your local priest who is also a scoutmaster and swim coach to tutor your child; not necessarily the best idea in the world. | |
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| 04-29-10 12:46am - 5313 days | #10 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
Maybe it's because I've had good experiences with forums, but I completely disagree with you. While I do think that a good webmaster has a clear idea of what they wants their content to be like and follows it, I also think that a good webmaster encourages and looks out for ideas from their members and is willing to try suggestions if they feel that it can fit into what their vision is for their site. And I generally don't want them looking at the competition for all their new ideas. If I wanted what the competition was offering, then I'd join that site. I join a site because it offers something that interests me, and if they just start to become a carbon-copy of another site, that's usually when I start to lose interest. | |
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| 04-29-10 10:01am - 5313 days | #11 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Naughty America, and I assume that's the good experience you are referring to, must have a not so good webmaster because I saw so many requests for more ethnic models and lesbian scenes that were totally ignored that I lost faith that anyone was listening. They certainly didn't listen to my requests for more models with natural breasts! But we've been through that before, so no need to reply or take offense.  | |
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| 04-29-10 12:37pm - 5313 days | #12 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I've been on more than one message board, but yes, that was one of them. Truthfully, they have a tendency to listen to some requests but not to others, and not always give good reasons as to why they do so. So they aren't perfect (and I don't think anyone would say that they are). But I've seen them listen to people (including myself) on numerous occasions, and on things as small as casting choices for scenes and as big as creating new sites or reviving old ones (they brought back American Daydreams as a site last year specifically because of members asking for it on their forums). And as far as the natural and ethnic thing is concerned, I'm right with everyone else on that argument, but the ratings and comments on the site (yes, I know, we're not caring about those here) paint an entirely different portrait of what the members want. For the most part (this isn't with 100% certainty), the most popular scenes are mostly of white and latin women with fake breasts. So, as has been stated before, you have the problem of what to do when one group of your members say one thing, but another group of them says something else. Edit: I just read the last sentence. Not taking offense in the slightest, because you're right, I just wanted to clarify a little. | |
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| 04-29-10 03:27pm - 5313 days | #13 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
I have to agree to an extent in that sites shouldn't be looking at the competition as the only place to get new ideas ... if this happened it would just become a race to the lowest common denominator. I guess my point was that customers who join a site have a predisposed interest in the content and having a room full of "yes men" isn't always the best way to generate new ideas. The good webmasters listen to their clients, look at the competition, and also try to figure out to keep on improving without breaking the bank. I just think most of the polls and forums out there are there primarily as secondary content (like the mostly useless third party feeds) where customers can interact amongst themselves or feel that they're contributing when, in fact, they're not. The other issue with listening to customers on forum boards is that people have all sorts of interests. Some want huge silicon boobs, some want skinny teens, some want softcore, some want more hardcore, some want more of the same models, others want new models, etc. Thus, its hard to please everyone and, for those shooting their own content, it depends a lot on model availability and model costs. When it comes to technical specs (pic and vid sizes, stream rates, etc.) that probably should be the most effective use of polls and forums, customers saying what they want, but in reality we all want bigger and better formats; no rocket scientist needed there. Any webmaster worth their salt knows that regular high quality updates, big pix and vids, good stream rates, and a nice layout get high marks on review sites. Those who can should go better. Those who don't probably can't because they don't produce enough of their own material, are too lazy to upgrade, can't afford to upgrade, lack the technical skills or staff to update/upgrade, or are simply happy with their revenue streams and don't want to mess with what they perceive as a good thing. It's only this last example that could probably be persuaded to change through customer input but if they don't care .... At best customer feedback will give webmasters an idea if they're on the right or wrong track. In truth, what we have to say is purely secondary behind revenue and production or acquisition of content. | |
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| 04-30-10 09:09am - 5312 days | #14 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Further down the line though, they are obliged to give the input some credence or the membership will go elsewhere. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-30-10 01:39pm - 5312 days | #15 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Yep, they sure will! Messmer looking for a new site once again.  | |
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| 04-30-10 01:55pm - 5312 days | #16 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I am glad you didn't take offense because it was not my intention to be confrontational. I also like your elaboration above, gives me a bit more insight into how things work! | |
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| 04-30-10 10:29pm - 5311 days | #17 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I am bored and would like to find something different but good quality. Since 2007 | |
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| 05-03-10 03:15pm - 5309 days | #18 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Have you thought about purchasing a top quality garden shed? Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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