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| 05-21-13 09:24am - 4233 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
P is for Pervert . I recently did a pole where I asked about men and their interest in Porn. Kind sparked a few raised eyes when I put Perverted as a possible answer. I thought about it and looked into it a bit more. A perversion when it comes to porn would and could be material that a normal viewer may not participate in. As an example there may be voyeurs in the group, or bondage fans. Or one of many other not so main stream. Have you ever looked at a public upskirt picture or a nice cleavage shot that was unknown to the modeler. Are you a pervert for looking at it or the guy chasing women around with a camera on his shoe the pervert ? Admiring the human body is great, however is how we view it does that make it perverted? Our Dictionary says
I guess depends whom is setting the standards? Is a man with 8 wives a pervert, an opportunist or the luckiest guy on the planet ? Some would look at such a man as sicko or pervert. What my poll taught me is we all may not like things in porn, but one mans perversion may be another mans norm. Since 2007 | |
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| 05-21-13 11:12am - 4233 days | #2 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
My dictionary says for voyeur "A person who gains sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity." So I would say; looking at any type of porn would qualify a person as a voyeur. So I classify myself as a voyeur. Is this a perversion? If both sides are consenting adults I would say; no. If I was a peeping tom looking through windows of unsuspecting people, then yes, to me that would be perverted. As you say, "One man's perversion is another man's norm." The rest I will leave to the justice system. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 05-21-13 12:22pm - 4233 days | #3 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I laughed at the last line . " The rest I will leave to the justice system"  Since 2007 | |
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| 05-21-13 02:07pm - 4233 days | #4 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
You took the words right out of my mouth, biker.  | |
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| 05-21-13 04:22pm - 4233 days | #5 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Regardless of how you want your perversions served up, or if you are a voyeur of porn, I still submit that we are all whoremongers - a prostitute's customer (I don't mean this in a bad way - it's just the term fits). As biker points out, a voyeur is "A person who gains sexual pleasure from watching others when they are naked or engaged in sexual activity." So in the scheme of things, a voyeur doesn't have to pay for it - and in that case he's probably a peeping tom.  Semantics - don't ya just love it? If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-22-13 09:05am - 4232 days | #6 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
OK I'll play. So if a voyeur watches a prostitute have sex with another person then by definition the voyeur should pay half. Since watching without a cost to anyone involved is free. Then one would think watching a prostitute where money was involved should be at a cost .  Since 2007 | |
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| 05-22-13 10:52am - 4232 days | #7 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
^ ahhhh.... I think so. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-22-13 12:25pm - 4232 days | #8 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Ah, but is looking at a prostitute the same as consorting with a prostitute? Maybe we are accessories to whoremongering while the porn producers are the real deal? I will grant you no more than that!  But, frankly, even though it may fit, I strongly dislike the word because I never looked at all the lovely models I downloaded as "whores," I am grateful that they are willing to share their bodies with the world and if they get paid for it, that makes them professional models in my eyes .. nothing worse or disreputable.  | |
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| 05-22-13 03:41pm - 4232 days | #9 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
If I remember correctly, the word pervert used to be somewhere in the header on this site and I'm pretty sure I've spoken out about it before. I've just never agreed with that label. To me, anything sexual between consenting adults is, for lack of a better word right now, normal. I'm also pretty sure that whomever it was who set these standards oh-so-many years ago, telling us what's right and what's wrong, wasn't practicing what he was preaching. Look at how many clergymen make the news these days, getting caught with their hands (and other appendages) where they don't belong. That can't be a new development in the history of humans. All that to say, I think human brains are wired to seek out different forms of sex. For some it's not so mainstream, but nothing (again, between consenting adults) is a perversion. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 05-22-13 03:54pm - 4232 days | #10 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Yes Messmer, most porn aficionados try to spin porn stars (male, female, tranny) who have sex for money as something other than what they are. I'm unsure how one can change the definition to fit their personal view. The industry helps viewers (and themselves) paint a performance art theme but as long as they are paid to have sex, and we, indirectly, pay for them to have sex, we are what we are. Looking, consorting, voyeuring, doesn't make a difference to Webster. Look - I don't watch Lily Lebeau blow Jonni Darkko and think - look at the whore go to town. But neither do I kid myself that it's performance art. While the group as a whole likes sex they do it for the money. Jeez, even the "performers" call others and themselves whores so  ? I can't see how it's different when Velvet Rose, Liv Wylder, Rayveness, Jackie Avalon, JR Carrington, Sunny Lane, Alexandra Silk, to name a few who can be found and fucked at the Bunny Ranch in Nevada, so I don't think there really is a demarcation line. http://www.bunnyranch.com/pornstars.html You might not like the term whoremonger to describe yourself, that's okay by me. I'm sorry the term offends. I realize it makes people squirm a bit though I hope it doesn't change you viewing pleasure.  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-22-13 07:06pm - 4232 days | #11 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
^ No, I never deceived myself into thinking of the "performers" in hardcore porn as anything but what you call them, jb. But I have always been turned off by the brutal frankness in the way they are described by VideoBox as whores or sluts. It's not a question of fooling myself, I simply cannot overcome my innate reaction to name calling of any sort. There was also my failure to point out that my favorite niches are mostly softcore picture sets and movies and I was thinking of those women when I called them lovely and professional models There are, of course, cross-overs but most of them don't strike me as being prostitutes. But I realize that's my view. | |
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| 05-22-13 11:51pm - 4232 days | #12 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Conventional thinkin' amounst the early settlers had themselves believe that any position other than "missionary" was, by their definition, perverted. This was likely born out of biblical interpretation, and, through exhortation from religious zealots, held that it ranked high on their list of sins. I'm posting this to exemplify the sheer absurdity of how that kind of thinking exacerbates to a level that picks and chooses what sexual practices, in our day, does or does not qualify as "perverted." Fast forward .....diversity in sexual mores as it exists today would curl the hair of those early settlers, who initiated much of what going on in todays world. My point......because mainstream language of sexual matters appears to dictate where we fit in the overall scheme of all this,.......logically lends solid credence supporting the term "perverted" is man-made, thereby rendering it worthless, in that the truth actually exists in the minds of we who think as we choose to. Damned..... if the sexual components given us by our maker are there .... and it works as its designed. yields desires. Gives every indication its there to be used, then for crying out loud how can anyone sanely conclude its wrong?  | |
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| 05-23-13 04:42am - 4231 days | #13 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Slut - A person, especially a woman, considered sexually promiscuous. [1375 - 1425; late Middle English slutte; compare dial. slut mud, Norwegian (dial.) slutr sleet, impure liquid] promiscuous - Having casual sexual relations frequently with different partners; indiscriminate in the choice of sexual partners. It can also mean a prostitute, though I do not consider (in my view of course) that all these porn people are sluts - whores yes sluts not necessarily. While they do have different partners one is lead to believe that they are discriminate in who they have sex with (The exception to this rule perhaps is Porno Dan's Fuck a Fan niche.) The dialogue also contains bitch and cunt to describe the submissive role women usually play in hard core gonzo. It's interesting that porn movies with a story line do not use those terms generally. Softcore - That's an interesting term. Certainly nude modeling has been done for ages, albeit paintings or photography. Are they selling sex? I sometimes think Victoria Secret is selling sex and they are not even nude. Sports Illustrated Nude Issue. I don't fall into sexually arousing fantasy by seeing Rhonda Rousey nude though I find her sexy in those photos and .... ta da... she got paid.  Who knows? Then again, selling sex is not the only way to whore yourself. While the origins come from [before 1100; Middle English, Old English hōre, c. Old High German huo(r)ra, Old Norse hōra] it can also mean a person considered as having compromised principles for personal gain. So this last definition pretty much applies to politicians and public officials holding office. This last paragraph is brought to you by  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! Edited on May 23, 2013, 09:22am | |
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| 05-23-13 08:13am - 4231 days | #14 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Society has really taken sex to a whole new level, just like firearms. Firearms are and were a normal part of life for near half a millennium and before that they used swords and arrows. As of late seems outta know where guns are now not part of life. But bad by some that want them removed. When the same use of protection and food has not changed its use society now wants to change the humans view. Since the early 1900's and mass technology like newspaper,books and movies began in mass and so has the sexual revolution. Until recently places like Mustang Ranch were a normal place to get your rocks off, and prostitution why illegal was tolerated, and Hugh made a fortune off nude photographs. There is now like guns the governments move to change these rights for the good of the people. What a woman or man does with their bodies for money is no ones business. If I want to hold and AK47 in one hand and a Penthouse in the other and hooker on her knees who has the right to make me a criminal? Society and governments have and odd way of jumping in and making normal shit wrong, immoral and you a criminal. My Grandmother used to tell me about her uncle on her moms side in Utah who was 35 and married two 16 years old turn of the century. Do that now and they will lock your ass up for 25 years. Thats not my cup of tea and for thousands of years older men married very younger women. And society decided the number 18 was an adult nature didn't. For thousands of years women sold their bodies for money there were literately parts of cities for commerce to sell sex. Now we shun the women that do this. Men have always carried weapon and now we want to disarms its people because less then 0001% of the world population in the last 50 years has caused gun crimes. That's about 2 04 3 people per 100,000 world wide. There are approx 10% of all prostitutes in the world that have HIV more in third world nations. Aid causes death world wide 28 in 100,000 people. Far more then guns do. And no one has ever died from porn unless you were jerking while driving. .Seriously, society and governmental bodies will criminalize anything, Does not mean its true what they say or factual. But they idea is convince the people and they will gain control. We have seen government now interfere with production of porn, like they are trying with guns and taxes and health care. I guess its just mean, but getting really hard to see free people able to act free even with their bodies now days. Whats next telling us how we can speak and think? Hmmmm 1930's Germany ??? Ring a bell. Human rights are important, and how we view prostitutes gun, or porn should be our business and no one elses. OOOPs that turned into a rant! Since 2007 | |
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| 05-23-13 11:38am - 4231 days | #15 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
^ You are undermining your argument by including guns, CT. I know it's an important subject to you, and don't really want to hurt your feelings, but holding an AK47 in your hand is not normal (for an ordinary citizen) anywhere on this globe, except in the U.S. of A. and should not be included in your list of innate rights. They shouldn't be used for hunting, they are no good for target practice (believe me I know, I am an ex-serviceman) so there's only one reason for having them and that is to kill people either if you feel threatened or if you are a murderous Psychopath. I'll let you keep your six-shooter, though. Yeehah! | |
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| 05-23-13 12:12pm - 4231 days | #16 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Doesn't hurt my feelings,at all. I don't own one of those specifically. In that sense I am very Liberal, but when it comes to Constitutional Rights I am conservative. I guess Messmer I think people should not pick and choose the rights they want others to have, be it guns, abortion, religious freedoms or adult material. Guess thats just me being raised in the sixties, I believe in freedom period for all even those I do not agree with like abortion and religious freedoms I don't agree with but non-the less agree they have a right. I served as well ( medic) and thank you for your service too. But freedom mean allot even ones I really don't agree with. I know I'm a strange duck. But if you stick me in a room with a Liberal and a Conservation they both want to kill me ! Sorry about the gun thing, but wasn't about the gun as much as the right regardless of public opinion should not matter. Because there is always someone that will want to take any right away we have and come up with a good reason. I just wish we would enforce the gun laws we have so many criminals would be locked up. Adding more laws just won't stop death of the crazy bastards out there. And I do agree I don't see a big purpose for an AK47 just seems like over kill, unless one really believes the government will take over?? And I can not see anyone standing by and letting that happen regardless or political views. I do think between you and me ( LOL and a public forum) if gun owners would ease up on the Ak styles people would relax. But both sides push so hard it drives up resentment and fear on both sides. I appreciate your honestly Messmer Since 2007 | |
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| 05-23-13 12:31pm - 4231 days | #17 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
^ Thanks for that reasoned reply, CT. I am not here to make enemies and it is not in us Canadians to be confrontational about anything, so I always feel a bit awkward if I attack someone else's views. | |
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| 05-23-13 01:16pm - 4231 days | #18 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Its all good my friend. Now if we could all us get along and still have other views like you and I well the world may be a more peaceful place. You and I have posted for many years and you are well respected member on here seen by others and myself as a good guy. I never thought once that your concerns were and attack. Like I said its all good. So lets just shake hands and have a couple eh! All good ! Since 2007 | |
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| 05-23-13 03:30pm - 4231 days | #19 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Actually Messmer, a US citizen holding an AK47 is not normal since it's a selective-fire, gas-operated 7.62×39mm assault rifle, first developed in the USSR by Mikhail Kalashnikov. It has always been known as a crappy weapon, though it's cheap (and cheaply made) and many terrorist in the world carry this weapon. On the other hand, the AR-15 (ArmaLite Rifle-15) is a lightweight, 5.56 mm, magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, with a rotating-lock bolt, actuated by direct impingement gas operation or long/short stroke piston operation. It is manufactured with the extensive use of aluminum alloys and synthetic materials. ArmaLite sold the AR-15 design to Colt. The select-fire version of the AR-15 entered the U.S. military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then started selling the semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle as the Colt AR-15 for civilian sales in 1963. More people in the US own AR-15s and this would be the more likely weapon found in their hand as they were beating their pud with the other. With regard to a government takeover that Cybertoad mentioned, I'm actually more worried about Corporate America turning us into a full fledged Fascist country. My rant...  If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 05-23-13 04:02pm - 4231 days | #20 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
You and me both pray that wont happen, I am not ready to kneel to Tyranny.  On the AK, I have other fire power that does it for me. Many in my family bought AK's, but I go for accuracy on allot of what I own and precision, Awww now and AR that's different .My CHL of choice in my police issue SW40 Sig. Pricey but its like driving a Lamborghini. OK hmmmm how do I get back on topic for the forum. OK HERE WE GO !  Since 2007 | |
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| 05-23-13 06:56pm - 4231 days | #21 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Oh I know that .. I mean the AK47 business. All I meant was that it was not possible (as far as I am aware) for an ordinary citizen of another country to purchase automatic or semi-automatic weapons and that there was no practical purpose for owning them since they could not even be used in target practice. Rapid firing weapons tend to pull, are wildly inaccurate (I practiced on Sten Guns) and are only good in close combat when a horde of screaming enemy soldiers are coming at you. As to your observations about Corporate America (Canada) .. I am afraid you are right! Except I would not call them Fascists but unrestrained, ungovernable, selfish, greedy Capitalists. | |
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| 05-24-13 07:33am - 4230 days | #22 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
You know I purchased two new toys, they Pellet Guns and travel at close to 2000 FPS and use copper or Teflon tips. Will go through a 50 gallon steel drum at 200ft. These are accurate fun, cheap and potentially deadly. I think on AK the big issue are velocity. They have the potential in an urban environment to go along ways and through many walls. Really fun for targets. When I was in training many years ago, they went over and over to be aware of bullet travel. You miss the target where is the bullet going and how far ??? Saw on cops the other day guys shooting and AK at a target with two foot burms. These pullets were bouncing and going all over and they had no idea. Since 2007 | |
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