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01-28-14  11:09am - 3981 days Original Post - #1
messmer (0)
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Thoroughly disgusted!

I got myself a new gmail address a few weeks ago because I was being overwhelmed with spam at my old one. Everything went well, not a single spam email in almost two weeks, pure bliss, then I subscribed to my first site under the new address and found myself with 25 spam emails the very next day. I know which site I subscribed to (quite a popular and highly rated one) but don't want to leave myself open to any potential legal problems because it could have been the Payment Processor as well. I guess the only way to live without spam is to NOT subscribe to anything!! Arrrgh!!!

01-28-14  11:29am - 3981 days #2
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I've had a couple of e-mail addresses over the years which I set up to use exclusively with payment processors. In every case I've ended up getting spam on each address within a couple of weeks.

It's interesting to hear that someone else has had similar problems. Every payment processor I've ever used on my sites has always insisted that they never sell on e-mail lists.

I can't vouch for other sites, but I can assure everyone that I have never even considered selling members' email addresses. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

01-28-14  02:41pm - 3981 days #3
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


I've had a couple of e-mail addresses over the years which I set up to use exclusively with payment processors. In every case I've ended up getting spam on each address within a couple of weeks.

It's interesting to hear that someone else has had similar problems. Every payment processor I've ever used on my sites has always insisted that they never sell on e-mail lists.

I can't vouch for other sites, but I can assure everyone that I have never even considered selling members' email addresses.


Thanks, Ed. I guess we found the culprit!

01-28-14  02:51pm - 3981 days #4
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Lets say I joined a site that oh has a Twist to it and another that must have the Sex of the Century.
Both times these two sites tripled my spam.

Could have been billing as was said but have used these biller's before.


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01-28-14  05:50pm - 3980 days #5
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Yeah, right, "We don't sell your email address to anyone," so gimme-gimme spammy-spammy wasn't me!

Those slimeballs should be wrapped in Visqueen and set on fire! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

01-28-14  05:51pm - 3980 days #6
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Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't think so. Almost no spam makes it through to my inbox with gmail. I've used the same address since the inception of gmail (when you needed an invite ) and have subscribed to more porn than I care to remember using the gmail address. The problem used to be worse but I'm guessing that between gmail's filters and my flagging spam over the years, that did the trick.

01-28-14  06:13pm - 3980 days #7
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Lets say I joined a site that oh has a Twist to it and another that must have the Sex of the Century.
Both times these two sites tripled my spam.

Could have been billing as was said but have used these biller's before.


Spammers ! FUCK YOU FUCK FUCK FUCK !

HEHE, One of the few forums I belong to were you can say,
Shit, fuck , pussy and Cock and not get banned !


Young man, you go right now and wash out your mouth (typing fingers) with soap. Appalling manners!

01-28-14  06:14pm - 3980 days #8
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I've had Yahoo mail almost since I've had a computer. I don't know about others but I would assume Yahoo isn't the only one with the ability to create disposable email addresses. Sign up using a throwaway, then delete it once you're done with the site. You can't get spammed if they can't find you! Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

01-28-14  06:28pm - 3980 days #9
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Yeah, right, "We don't sell your email address to anyone," so gimme-gimme spammy-spammy wasn't me!

Those slimeballs should be wrapped in Visqueen and set on fire!


I go along with that, Drooler.

BTW, if you get spam at the moment have you noticed the weird names they are using nowadays?

For a while I had all kinds of female friends who wanted to remind me of a past relationship and how eager they were to re-establish contact, they in turn were followed by a couple of weeks, or so, of renewed "You have won 1st Prize" (One even by the Secretary General of the UN!!) or "I need help transferring a large amount of money out of my country and would be more than happy to give you a cut if ... etc.etc." emails.

And now it is spam sent under weird names like (made up by me as an example) "sj'klo." Would anyone even be tempted to look at an email like that?

01-28-14  06:38pm - 3980 days #10
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Originally Posted by jook:


Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't think so. Almost no spam makes it through to my inbox with gmail. I've used the same address since the inception of gmail (when you needed an invite ) and have subscribed to more porn than I care to remember using the gmail address. The problem used to be worse but I'm guessing that between gmail's filters and my flagging spam over the years, that did the trick.


I thought I had replied, jook, but can't find my response, so here goes again:

Spam hardly ever makes it to my Inbox either because gmail's filter is quite good. Nevertheless I still have to go to my spam folder to see if any legitimate emails were caught by those filters by mistake and then eliminate the works.

01-28-14  06:39pm - 3980 days #11
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I've had Yahoo mail almost since I've had a computer. I don't know about others but I would assume Yahoo isn't the only one with the ability to create disposable email addresses. Sign up using a throwaway, then delete it once you're done with the site. You can't get spammed if they can't find you!


Sounds like an idea, RB!

01-28-14  06:40pm - 3980 days #12
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Young man, you go right now and wash out your mouth (typing fingers) with soap. Appalling manners!


Since 2007

01-28-14  10:39pm - 3980 days #13
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This is such an old problem.

You would think it would be in an ISP's own interests to limit spam from a system loading issue, if not from a business perspective.

They know where the spam is coming from.

Why do they not fine or ban them?

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01-29-14  05:40am - 3980 days #14
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Sorry to hear your troubles, messmer (and I thought this would be your disgust with a site).

Whatever you do, don't give a site your "good" address--that is for your normal, day-to-day email--give them your older, spammed-up one. You should also have this for non-porn marketing stuff that requires an email, if only for completion purposes, but not something that would really ever need checking (signing up for a forum, etc.).

And as much as I love PU I still gave them my spam email address when I signed up, and I only check it once every few weeks if that (while hoping Khan never sends pertinent messages that way though I check PU way more regularly). Even "a popular and highly rated" site should not get your normal address since you don't really know what they're doing with it. Better safe than sorry.

Interestingly, at least in the U.S., Google does let you set up a new phone number for free, called Voice, (as long as you have a Gmail account, d'oh!) that I've also used on occasion for sites that have wanted a phone number and I don't feel like giving out my sacred cell #. It comes through my cell phone but I have it ID'ed as "Google Voice" to let me know it's probably a machine or from something/someone I don't want contacting me.

On a side note, on my normal, non-spam email I have gotten the occasional legitimate email tossed into their spam label (Googlespeak for folder). Otherwise little actual spam, and not very serious spam at that--no Nigerian princes or "guaranteed" penis enlargement offers...yet. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

01-29-14  11:12am - 3980 days #15
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Sorry to hear your troubles, messmer (and I thought this would be your disgust with a site).

Whatever you do, don't give a site your "good" address--that is for your normal, day-to-day email--give them your older, spammed-up one. You should also have this for non-porn marketing stuff that requires an email, if only for completion purposes, but not something that would really ever need checking (signing up for a forum, etc.).

And as much as I love PU I still gave them my spam email address when I signed up, and I only check it once every few weeks if that (while hoping Khan never sends pertinent messages that way though I check PU way more regularly). Even "a popular and highly rated" site should not get your normal address since you don't really know what they're doing with it. Better safe than sorry.

Interestingly, at least in the U.S., Google does let you set up a new phone number for free, called Voice, (as long as you have a Gmail account, d'oh!) that I've also used on occasion for sites that have wanted a phone number and I don't feel like giving out my sacred cell #. It comes through my cell phone but I have it ID'ed as "Google Voice" to let me know it's probably a machine or from something/someone I don't want contacting me.

On a side note, on my normal, non-spam email I have gotten the occasional legitimate email tossed into their spam label (Googlespeak for folder). Otherwise little actual spam, and not very serious spam at that--no Nigerian princes or "guaranteed" penis enlargement offers...yet.


Thanks for the tips, turbo. Actually, just like you, I never use my good address in connection with any porn site or Billing Company. My real name goes to the Billing Company, of course, since I do all my transactions through a rechargeable credit card issued to me by my bank. I don't know if CCBill or Epoch etc. actually pass on my real name to a site. The massive Spam attacks were all on my throw-away google account that I had used for years. When this finally irritated me enough I got a new throw-away address, again through Google, and was blissfully left alone until I made my next subscription with the new one.

If Epoch, CCBill etc. do not pass on real names to the sites then I lay all my past problems at their feet because I received tons of spam under my real name in the past.

01-29-14  04:22pm - 3980 days #16
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Originally Posted by messmer:


And now it is spam sent under weird names like (made up by me as an example) "sj'klo." Would anyone even be tempted to look at an email like that?


Not I. But I don't even bother with the names that look normal. I know that it's spam. Do they think I don't? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

01-30-14  12:34am - 3979 days #17
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I've had Yahoo mail almost since I've had a computer. I don't know about others but I would assume Yahoo isn't the only one with the ability to create disposable email addresses. Sign up using a throwaway, then delete it once you're done with the site. You can't get spammed if they can't find you!


Originally Posted by messmer:


Sounds like an idea, RB!


Messmer, this is the approach I've adopted now (and has already been actively used once!) and although it's not in Gmail, IIRC you can do the same thing very easily in Gmail.

If your address is eg messmer@gmail.com, then mail to messmer+anything@gmail.com will also arrive there.

So the idea is, when you sign up to nakedladies.com, you do so with the address messmer+nakedladies@gmail.com - no setup is required from you in Gmail (but a good idea to test it first).

This means that when you do receive spam, you can:

* See what address it was sent to, and therefore know which site may have leaked your address;

* Set up a filter in Gmail to ignore mail to that specific address

HTH

02-01-14  01:33pm - 3977 days #18
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Originally Posted by Capn:


This is such an old problem.

You would think it would be in an ISP's own interests to limit spam from a system loading issue, if not from a business perspective.

They know where the spam is coming from.

Why do they not fine or ban them?

Cap'n.


Not so easy. A great deal of spam is sent from hijacked or zombie machines so the ISP won't be able to see who is actually sending the e-mail, and that's assuming they can identify all of it. They don't want to be seen suing people who just don't know how to keep their PC secure.

My understanding is that about 30-40% of all e-mail is blocked by ISPs anyway so what you see is what gets through the filters. The spammers keep getting cleverer and adapting. ISPs struggle to keep up and don't assign enough resources to the problem. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

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