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| 09-15-08 06:40am - 5904 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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elonlybuster (0)
Active User Posts: 52 Registered: Aug 24, '08 Location: Georgia |
underaged but really of age I recently started randomly rummaging around Google and other forums looking for something new when I came across a site (Not posting the name). Basically it was a girl who was 18, but she looked to be about 14 and she's making hardcore videos with these guys calling them things like "daddy", "uncle" and so on. I know it's not child porn but what do you think about it honestly? The thing that got me about this site and a few others is the fact that the girl naturally looked really young so not a lot of extra items were used. | |
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| 09-15-08 07:20am - 5904 days | #2 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Hmmm i think the first word to think about is intent. Which in own is hard to pin down. Mean are they wanting you to think its kiddie porn? Or are they wanting you to think incest ? or are they just thinking to make a dominant site over young (legal) girls. Letes play the devils advocate? From what youve said ( which is very brief to draw a conclusion). You have not said it is to fantasize force, or petifies. All thats said is parental names? However there are videos called milking momas, and who's your daddy and or mom. Um the whole milf thing often at times shows the teenage boy getting laid by a obviously older mom and names are used then too. I do not see anything wrong with site thats not seen about the opposite sex elsewhere. You know whats always cracked me up is as a teenager we all remember thinking one of our friends mom's was hot or a teacher geees maybe even a cousin. But we reverse that and say its a girl in tha position and it comes out to judegement to say foul. Good topic idea. Cybertoad Since 2007 | |
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| 09-15-08 08:21am - 5904 days | #3 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I'm not quite certain about this but I think in Canada it is even illegal to pretend to be underage when it comes to porn. Maybe our other Canadian PU might know more about this. | |
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| 09-15-08 08:49am - 5904 days | #4 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
I suspect that the pornmeisters are smart enough not to risk losing their huge cash cow by even thinking about relaxing their proof of age requirements, no matter how likely the next Traci Lords has just crossed their threshold. I suspect that any females (or males for that matter) appearing in any porn of any kind has been thoroughly checked out for the age requirements. Thus the sites that feature very young looking and acting girls are teasing the fantasy but are almost certainly not purveying child porn. That said, then, the only remaining question is the viewing tastes of the patron, and that's a personal matter. (I like babes who are in their mid to late 20's, with big natural tits, large labia lips and an insatiable appetite for sex - lesbo or hetero. But skinny minnies who look anorexic do nothing at all for me. That's me. You may be different. That's fine.) | |
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| 09-15-08 09:08am - 5904 days | #5 | |
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ByteMaster (0)
Active User Posts: 52 Registered: Jun 09, '08 Location: United Kingdom |
This is one area of internet porn that worries the shit out of me. There used to be a model called Ketrin who looked very young. She had photosets on Metart, Just Teen Site and a few sites. Then all the photosets vanished, gone, nada, kaput from all the pay sites, gone without even an explanation. Then while browsing another forum I read that ccbill had asked the sites to remove the photosets because THEY thought she was (or looked) underage. I dont know if that is true or not, but something odd was going on. Metart published a new photoset of her earlier this year, almost two years after her first appearance. So, I wonder, what kind of protection do WE the end users have from a legal point of view. It's all about trust, I trust the sites to obey the law, the webmasters trust the photographers to obey the law and so on. | |
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| 09-15-08 03:49pm - 5904 days | #6 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
You know, you raise a very important point; one that I've never considered; and that's the pass through liability that could occur if the pornmeister screws up. (I have a few Traci Lords videos in my stash. Am I in violation?) | |
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| 09-15-08 06:55pm - 5904 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Not that I'm an expert but I've never heard of a law about pretending to be underage. If it exist, then I've never read a single article or seen a TV report on someone being accused of this crime. I've never had any problems bringing movies into Canada, and most if not all of the material available here is the same as in the US. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-15-08 07:01pm - 5904 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Yes, if you are caught with any Tracy Lord movies then you could and sadly might very well be prosecuted. Regardless that when you purchased these movies you believed her to be of legal age. I'm old enough to have seen most of Tracy Lords movies, and I was shocked to find out that she was 15 when she started making movies. Trust me when I say that she did not look 15 and she certainly didn't act 15. P.S: my reccomendation is destroy all of your Tracy movies. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-15-08 07:32pm - 5904 days | #9 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
If I'm off on my assumption then please someone correct me, but isn't the law that you have to be 18yrs old to appear in a porn movie. Whether you pretend to be an underage girl or not, but legally speaking you are of consenting age. It doesn't mean that you can't be prosecuted for obscene or immoral material. Simply read what happened to Max Hardcore and what is currently happening to John Stagliano. Neither of these people is accused of having underage performers or depicting childporn. Max has had a recurring teenage girl theme through most of his career, and yet this isn't the reason he was accused and found guilty. I don't have a problem with a website or a movie in which the theme is a woman of legal age pretending that she is younger. You mentioned that website, but there are quite a few movies and probably websites dedicated to older females with younger males. It's usually a mother with one of her sons friend or a teacher and one of her students. The double standard is that not one person is mentioning that the man is pretending to be a teenager. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-16-08 08:34am - 5903 days | #10 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I have no problem with pretending to be underage. However, I feel very strongly about really being underage. | |
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| 09-16-08 09:05am - 5903 days | #11 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I go back to my original thought. INTENT. I think a site that tries to get you to fantasize about under age girls just isn't right. I do not draw the line everywhere, not a judemental person really. But you ever see these guys on the corner selling fake Pot or heroine on the street, they know its fake yet try and sell it and get busted anyways for trying to sell fake crap. Why there is no law yet about simulating under age I am willing to bet the FCC will soon crack down on that. Pervs are one thing pedophiles are another. Even in todays world I tell you leaning on that line even a bit is a very bad thing to do. Since 2007 | |
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| 09-16-08 09:11am - 5903 days | #12 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Actually, I'm pretty sure the laws were recently (w/in the last few years) changed to make it illegal to portray a model as being under age. BTW, 18 is (currently) the legal age for porn in most countries but it really has nothing to do with the "age of consent" ... which can (often) be several years younger. And yes, your Traci Lords (at least all her earlier stuff) vids/photos are considered underage porn. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-16-08 09:56am - 5903 days | #13 | |
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elonlybuster (0)
Active User Posts: 52 Registered: Aug 24, '08 Location: Georgia |
Sorry about the delayed response wasn't expecting this to get this much attention, but yes you're right. She is 18 and she's legal and there's nothing illegally going on (that I see at least), but my point was that we make a big deal about child pornography and how it's wrong and how a girl obviously looking older than the age of 18 pretending to be younger is borderline OK, but this girl physically looks 14 at the most. She's short, small, and her body still looks underdeveloped and it just resembles child pornography in every way. I've seen those "Let's pretend this 18 yr old girl is under 18" and it's obvious but if I just gave you a video with nothing else your first thought would be "What's this really young girl playing with dollhouses doing with these older guys?" I can't think of the words I want to use to explain this so I'm just trying my best here. | |
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| 09-16-08 10:49am - 5903 days | #14 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Thanks, I remember vaguely reading about the subject of pretending to be underage somewhere but wasn't quite sure if my memory served me right. As to bringing material across the border it wasn't always so. Twenty-five years ago it was almost impossible to get any porn through the mail and if you wanted to bring it across in your car, customs officials were very eager to confiscate it so they could add it to their stash. :-) Times changed for the better with the borderless Internet. | |
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| 09-16-08 10:55am - 5903 days | #15 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Thanks, Khan. I thought I read that somewhere! | |
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| 09-17-08 01:46pm - 5902 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:59pm | |
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| 09-17-08 02:08pm - 5902 days | #17 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
What Traci Lords videos? [Seriously, when pat362 and Khan replied a few days ago, it took me about 1/2 hour to find the TL vids and erase them. I shed a tear or two (that babe's body was really something else) but this thread made me consider the issue in that light for the first time. Another of many reasons to be a member of PU.] The make good is that Jenna Doll is legal and, while thicker, is a suitable replacement for Traci. | |
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| 09-17-08 07:10pm - 5902 days | #18 | |
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TheRizzo (0)
Active User Posts: 44 Registered: Jun 11, '08 |
Definitely agree that if you got Tracy Lords videos I would get rid of them. None of her videos were when she was of age. | |
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| 09-17-08 07:11pm - 5902 days | #19 | |
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TheRizzo (0)
Active User Posts: 44 Registered: Jun 11, '08 |
Doh I should have finished reading the whole tread to see that you followed the advice and deleted her. She was smoking hot and didn't look her age thats for sure but definitely not worth the risk of getting caught with them in your possession. | |
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| 09-17-08 07:54pm - 5902 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Do you know if this law would apply if the actress says that she's 18, but dresses in much younger looking outfits? The only Tracy Lord porn movie that is still legal is called: Tracy I love You. She created her own production company and filmed this movie when she turned 18. Not long after the movie was released, she revealed that she was underage at the time of all her previous movies. Not only did many people get the shaft, but she made a killing by having the only legal Tracy Lord porn movie. Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Sep 17, 2008, 07:59pm | |
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| 09-17-08 08:54pm - 5902 days | #21 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
x Edited on Apr 19, 2023, 01:59pm | |
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| 09-18-08 07:11am - 5901 days | #22 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
If memory serves, it was worded so that "portraying model as a minor" was illegal. No doubt, the "portraying" could (and will) be argued in the courts. My (personal) take is that unless the site expressly implied that the model was a minor, just having a "schoolgirl" outfit (or something along those lines) wouldn't be enough to be a violation. Still, when speaking to webmasters about these things I always suggest they consult an attorney about their specific situation. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-18-08 07:22am - 5901 days | #23 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
But here's the snag ... IF the girl is indeed of age (18) then what right have we (you, me, the gov't) to impede her ability to make a living at her chosen profession just because of her physical appearance? Suppose someone told YOU you couldn't have your job because the owner thought the position required someone who *looks* older? I'm betting you'd be pretty pissed off. :) Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-18-08 08:10am - 5901 days | #24 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
I would imagine that, as with the studios, webmasters who don't want to upset their cash cow (let alone subject themselves to criminal investigation or prosecution) would be extremely conservative and would pull down anything that even smells like a problem. That said, caution still needs to be exercised when Porn Users go to foreign sites where the rules might well be different, and someone can innocently download illegal content. | |
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| 09-18-08 09:09am - 5901 days | #25 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
While there are always those who push the envelope, most webmasters are content to stay below the radar. It's sortta like that exchange from "Without a Paddle" where the guys are running from a bear. The one guys says, "What are you doing? You can't outrun a bear." To which the other guy replies, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun YOU!" ... and so it is with most webmasters. They're content to let the other guy be the one the gov't goes after. Along with being careful with foreign sites (many of which DO follow the same guidelines as US sites), it's good to be careful of tube sites or for that matter, any site that allows users to upload pics/videos. Those sites really have no guarantee that the person uploading the content is of legal age. Thus, downloading from those sites you could easily find yourself with minors in your porn collection. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 09-18-08 07:40pm - 5901 days | #26 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Let me add that a female performer who physically looks younger than her actual age, would find it difficult to get any parts except those of an 18 yrs old teen girl. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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