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| 09-09-17 09:17am - 2618 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Escorts - yay or nay? Just curious… Have you ever used an escort service or would you ever consider it? (I don’t want to see this turn into a thread where we lose our civility though.) I’m going to suggest that in the escort world Canada has it all over the US. I’ve read of and heard of escorts charging $2K USD per hour where in Toronto and Ottawa the rates are around $240CDN. So you’re out the door with $300 if you include the tip. (And the tip is the most sensitive part!...  )I’ve used two separate agencies 15+ times in Toronto and once in Ottawa and the experience was exceptional. Twice it was merely ‘good’ but that is easily offset by several other having been over the top. So have you or would you??? (And I should add to dispel one obvious criticism, that the two agencies I use are reputable and have been around for a long time. Reputable escort services in Toronto don’t have any police problems. Human trafficking just isn't an issue. Several of the ladies I’ve visited escorted on the side. One was a bank teller and one managed a health food store. Several years ago when I was still in the military one young lady told me that her father was the Regimental Sergeant Major at a base about an hour away. I may have outranked him, but I suspect he’d still kick my ass…) | |
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| 09-09-17 09:57am - 2618 days | #2 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
I have before. I would consider it now if there was a service close by (and I had the money). I'm not ashamed to admit I get lonely. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 09-09-17 08:37pm - 2618 days | #3 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I've never used an escort service because a) I have no reason to believe that the girl that shows up will be the girl pictured in the ad and 2) too much chance of being set up with someone coming to rob you since you're stating that you'll be in a certain place with a size-able amount of cash. I have, however, made dates with girls that I knew from local strip clubs. I already knew the girls, knew that I had chemistry with them and would have a good time with them, trusted them to be honest with me and not to mess me over in any way. I've heard that Canada has bordello-type situations where you can see the girls before you pick one out to have sex with. That would be more appealing to me, though so far it hasn't been appealing enough to make me want to take a trip for that purpose. Frankly the whole mercenary sex thing lost its appeal to me to the point that I haven't even been to a strip club more than a couple of times in the last several years. | |
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| 09-10-17 06:55am - 2617 days | #4 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I know a lot of people wouldn't understand this, but (at least for the paying customer) there is a level of intimacy with an escort. I'm not talking a street-level prostitute here. I have no experience with that level and never will. But with escorts there is that intimacy - at least with the good ones. I've only been with a couple of escorts who didn't have the personality to be really engaging. As an aside, for a male looking for female escorts we have a lot of choices. It seems to me that a gay male would have more limited choices. Is that the case? It also seems that male escorts would cost more because of the laws of supply and demand but also males, unlike females, don't have an unlimited capacity for orgasm. I assume that for a gay man hiring an escort there would be some desire to have the escort have an orgasm, which would, presumably, put him out of commission for a little while. Is it your sense that in the gay escort business that a lot of men are 'gay for pay'? I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I'm genuinely interested in hearing your thoughts on this if you're willing to share. | |
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| 09-10-17 07:25am - 2617 days | #5 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
There are certainly risks involved and not getting who was advertised is one of them. As is being robbed. I realize this isn’t a solution for everyone, but I’m able to mitigate those risks by having a lot of confidence in two specific agencies in Toronto. (As an aside, the two agencies I use in Toronto, and in Ottawa too, have several condos in the downtown area so I go there rather than have the woman come to my hotel. That doesn’t change either of these risks, but for me it does keep it more discrete.) Regarding your first concern – false advertising – I can honestly say that my experience has been completely opposite of that. The two agencies I use only post model photos from the neck down for privacy reasons. Many of the women who escort with these agencies have other jobs. So while you can see her body you can’t see the whole ‘package.’ But in almost every case when I’ve arrived and see the woman standing there it’s been awe at her beauty. Being able to put a face on the photo changes things. It really is a case of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. In most of my experiences the woman’s appearance has been amazing. I have had a couple of minor issues but nothing that I’d really complain about. In one case the woman’s age was listed as 25 but she was much closer to 35. She was beautiful though and was as petite as in her photos. The other was a woman from Montreal that I saw when I was in Ottawa a couple of years ago. It turns out that the agency airbrushed out a few large tattoos. That’s no big deal for me and, honestly, she was a stunning beautiful woman and made the whole experience memorable. As for the risk of being robbed, that doesn’t cross my mind with either of the agencies I use. They’ve both been in the business for too long and have too good of reputations to have that happen. I’m not aware that anywhere in Canada has bordello-type setups but the agencies I use (and others too) post a dozen or so photos of each woman from the neck down so you do get a sense of what she looks like. Or at least what her body looks like. Having written all of that I have to admit that all bets are off if I don’t use one of those agencies. If I’m in Calgary, for example, I’m back to square one and have to assume some risk. I’m not sure what you mean by mercenary sex, but my experiences with escorts have been overwhelmingly positive. Almost all of these women have come across as genuinely decent people and I’m glad I got to spend some time with each of them. | |
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| 09-10-17 10:48am - 2617 days | #6 | |
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merc77 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 291 Registered: Apr 17, '16 |
I actually paid more for the company than the sex if that makes any sense. The young man was quite handsome and I did enjoy intimacy with him. We talked a bit and went out for a bite to eat. I found it relaxing that I didn't have to guess if he was gay or not at the time. (This was before openly being gay was acceptable.) I have had my share of pick-ups and they varied in experience. They were all positive for me. "Dogs think people are Gods. Cats don't as they know better." - Kedi (2016) Dogs have masters; Cats have staff. | |
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| 09-10-17 05:29pm - 2617 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
mercenary sex is any situation, whether it's a strip club, or an escort, where you're paying someone to be sexual with you. | |
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| 09-11-17 07:58am - 2616 days | #8 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
It's not something that I am into, but I do wish that they would legalize it to protect sex workers. Also, in any illegal business, there is the aspect of organized crime getting involved and tons of money exchanging hands without anyone paying taxes. In my mind, if we've decided to legalize pot (and I know that it's not the same thing, but arguments about the criminal element being involved as well as the loss of taxes are also used to justify it), why not legalize other things in order to have some control over their effects on society? Sorry, I did go off a bit on a tangent, but it was prompted by someone talking about the risks involved. | |
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| 09-11-17 02:49pm - 2616 days | #9 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I agree 100%. Back a few years ago in Canada there was a move afoot to legalize prostitution. All the evidence pointed to making it safer for the women and their customers, with the side effect of cutting a lot of organized crime out of the picture. One quirk in Canadian law was that you also couldn't 'live off the avails of prostitution.' Sure, to you and me that would mean you couldn't be a pimp, but some zealous prosecutors made it legally dangerous for a woman to hire a driver or bodyguard. Since he would be her employee, he was living off the avails of prostitution. Everything looked good to go for modernizing the law but then we elected a VERY conservative federal government (all criminal law is federal in Canada) who rejected the recommendations and brought in even more draconian laws to appeal to their conservative base. The new legislation begins with a preamble that starts with "Whereas the Parliament of Canada has grave concerns about the exploitation that is inherent in prostitution and the risks of violence posed to those who engage in it." The problem with that is that it IS true in some circumstances but most definitely NOT true in others. One of the reasons I'll only use two agencies in Toronto is that they have been around for a while and have good reputations. And you can't convince me that a young lady who I'm spending an hour with who has an apartment a few blocks away and works a day job as a store manager is being coerced or trafficked. Human trafficking is a scourge and needs to be stopped, but this was like taking a sledgehammer to a flea for a lot of sex work. So why, in this environment would I consider it legally safe to show up at a condo owned by an agency to meet a beautiful young woman and pay for sex? Mostly because, and this is isn't an exact quote (though I'd like to think something like this was said behind closed doors) the Premier of Ontario publicly said that 'This is the dumbest idea that these conservative nut-jobs in Ottawa have had in a long time! We're not putting one dime or one second into enforcing this shit!' (And I should add, that while the feds make the criminal law in Canada it falls to the provinces to enforce it as they wish. That has, in the past, led to some wildly different enforcement of laws like possession of marijuana. Get caught with a joint in your pocket in Sussex, NB and you're being arrested. Get caught with a joint in your pocket in Vancouver, BC and you'll be on your way in a moment as long as you aren't an asshole about it.) | |
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| 09-11-17 02:51pm - 2616 days | #10 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
You have no need to explain that to me.  Of the women I've paid to spend some time with the vast majority were friendly and interesting. I enjoyed meeting them. | |
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| 09-12-17 12:04pm - 2615 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I have never considered it and don't expect that I will change my mind because for me an escort is basically a prostitute with a different name. Now I know some will say that hiring an escort doesn't automatically lead to sex and that may be true but I would argue that the vast majority of the people who do hire an escort are doing so knowing that sex is their ultimate goal. The only thing I am not sure about is if the price you pay for that escort actually means that you are getting a more refined prostitute or just a normal prostitute that saw an opportunity to remarket herself as an escort. Clearly the words prostitute and escort have very different connotation but legally speaking I don't think they are any different if both wind up getting paid for sex. Even if the escort was one of those exclusive and expensive women who you could hire for days, weeks or months. In the back of my mind I still couldn't overlook the fact that I might be the third or tenth guy she is fucking that week and who knows how many in that year. I was never comfortable with random picks up in bar so you can imagine how I might feel about a woman whose job it is to do random guys. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-12-17 02:30pm - 2615 days | #12 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
^ pat: Your point is valid that in the way I'm using escort and the way others mean it too it is interchangable with prostitute. That I will certainly admit. But... you can't equate an escort with a street-level prostitute. That's just and apples-to-oranges comparison. My experience has been that many of the women have jobs other than escorting. Also, the security and quality of customer is vastly different too so I suspect that there are few street-level prostitutes moving up to an escort agency. For right or wrong, I associate street-level prostitution with addictions and desperation. I can say without hesitation that the women I've spent time have showed zero signs of anything like that. | |
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| 09-16-17 05:06am - 2612 days | #13 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
The image might be 180 degrees from the reality. I know in the strip club world that I've been shocked to find out that women who presented themselves as being among the classiest - and in all my interactions were truly cool human beings - were drug addicts, being pimped out by exploitive "boyfriends" or in other kinds of abusive relationships. The other dancers knew and gossiped about it, which is how I found out about it. It's nice to think that sex workers are totally together women who just like sex or enjoy male companionship and want the extra money for school or whatever. And some are. I can think of multiple strip club dancers I knew that paid their very expensive medical school bills with strip club earnings. But many are living a whole different reality than they present. And the reality is that it's very difficult for us guys to know which is the truth unless we know their close friends. | |
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| 09-16-17 06:14pm - 2611 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Although it's true that stripers/exotic dancers work in the adult industry. They shouldn't be considered the same as prostitutes/escorts/hookers or porn performers because for the most part these woman only take their clothes off and don't actually have sex with the customers. Of course some of them do but then the question becomes are they stripers that hook from time to time or hookers that strip from time to time. Ultimately both groups strip and have sex with customers but the frequency of either activity will determine which one they favor and by default identify which group they should fall under. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 09-17-17 08:00pm - 2610 days | #15 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
In SF the reality is rather different. To one degree or another, the hottest strip clubs in SF are bordellos. | |
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| 09-25-17 04:37pm - 2602 days | #16 | |
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oldfizzywig (0)
Active User  Posts: 6 Registered: Aug 19, '12 Location: WI |
An interesting question posed by the RearAdmiral. ( I realize this thread is a bit out of date, but I just spotted it, so I will reply even though it is a bit long in the tooth) First let me note that the Admiral is Canadian, and there may be some of us in the US who have a different perspective because of where we are. Yes I will admit, that about 3 years ago on my last visit to Canada, I did enjoy the company of an escort. I contacted her through an established service in the Niagara Falls Ontario area. I was very pleased with the time that I spent with the young lady. Some of the opinions expressed in this thread equate escorts with street level prostitution. I think that as the Admiral indicated, within Ontario at least there is a difference. And this difference can to some degree reduce the risks both for the service provider and for her clients. And just as many of us on this forum use this web site to gain knowledge through the review process of various pron sites that we visit, it is possible when arranging for the company of an escort in some parts of Canada, particularly the Niagara Falls area, that one can read customer reviews and learn more about the escort before spending time with her. If it is not improper for me to mention as an example such a web site, then I will mention > gterb dot com < which provides the same types of reviews for the services of escorts as > pornusers dot com < does when reviewing web sites which we may choose to frequent. | |
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| 09-27-17 02:24pm - 2600 days | #17 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Thanks for weighing in on this. I'm glad you were able to experience some Canadian hospitality.  If your experience was anything like the ones I've had then I know you had a great time.I suspect that giving people that link is fine under the forum rules. I've included links in the past and have had no negative feedback. I'm not surprised that there is a 'gterb' site. It appears to be very similar to a similar board that specifically addresses the Toronto area. That site is 'terb dot cc.' Note that it is cc and not com. I recommend that anyone planning to visit an escort in the Toronto area visit the terb site first. One final thing: if your trip to Niagara Falls was your only exposure to Ontario, or worse, if it was your only exposure to Canada, please, please, please do not take that place as any representation of what the rest of the place is like. If Canada needed an enema Niagara Falls is where we'd stick the hose. If I ever have to go back there in my lifetime it will be too soon! | |
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| 06-07-23 12:28am - 522 days | #18 | |
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MiaMaria (0)
Active User Posts: 10 Registered: Jul 21, '22 Location: Netherlands |
The decision to engage with an escort service is a personal one, and opinions on the matter can vary. Some individuals may view it as a positive and legitimate option for companionship or exploration of their desires, while others may have reservations or moral objections. It's essential to approach this topic with an open mind and respect for diverse perspectives.If you are considering using an escort service, it is a good idea to look into reputable agencies such as https://diamondescort-frankfurt.de/ who prioritize the well-being of their escorts and clients. Clear communication, mutual respect and compliance with any legal requirements are important aspects to ensure a positive experience. | |
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