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| 03-13-09 11:10am - 5763 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
The Importance of Editing Watching a few videos recently made me realize something: that editing is very much a lost art in much of modern day porn, particularly American. I don't know if it is the rush to shoot and upload/release as much material as possible, or maybe a feeling that viewers don't want a lot of cuts in their videos, but editing seems to be out of style. Editing can actually serve some purpose, even in porn: Tell a story: Yes, the girl is naked, and she is very horny, but editing can add to the story, especially when it's "I just happened to have my camera and..." It is a fantasy, but it is not created solely within the act or the setting, but in how the video is put together. Increase or change the pace: I cannot remember the amount of times I have been bored by videos that seemed so promising, and only a few minutes long, but were just so sloooow. In glamour, striptease, and solo content this can work, but it seems to frequently not. A few minor edits can really inject the pacing with some energy, or at least... Make the video shorter: Please, no more 20 - 30 minute takes! This comes off as incredibly amateur, no matter how high-def, well lit, or hot the models are. Cut out all the extra angle changing, model repositioning, ass scratching, toy and girl relubing, and just leave the meat of the action. Most behind the scenes could probably keep all this junk, but the normal videos need it cut out. I know I am ranting and asking a lot here, but I would love to see porn return to a form of perverted storytelling, not just a free-for-all presentation of raw footage. With the availability, and relative affordability, of video editing software out there today, nonlinear editing should be within a lot of studios' and sites' reach. At the very least, this could make for some very creative and memorable videos, a welcome change from the wham-bam-repeat formula seen too often today. Okay, I have said a lot, but am I crazy and just haven't seen a lot of well edited work? Or are there members here who would like to see this begin to change too? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-13-09 11:48am - 5763 days | #2 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Mmmmm, the only problem with your suggestions is that they're not everyone's cup o' tea. Eliminating exta angles, model repositiong, etc. may work for you but some us find the different camera angles and different positions entertaining. For me, I'm totally bored with a hot gal who bangs away in only a couple of positions. Nonlinear story lines, sort of like a dream sequence, could work well but, again, I wouldn't want to see too much of it. It is true that very little attention seems to be paid to editing, in both vids and pics. Editing takes time, thought and planning - items that frequently are missing in porn overall because it's a relatively cheap and disposable commodity. The highly rated studios seem to do a decent job of editing and shooting but for the overwhelming majority you can't expect a bunch of bozo's to make high art. | |
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| 03-13-09 11:56am - 5763 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Suze.net has good editing sometimes, with the "meat of the action" taking priority. Mike's Apartment does pretty well, too. But I agree that good editing is more the exception than the rule. There have been discussions on this at PU before, with complaints about bad angles, views more of the guy's arse than the woman's, prolonged closeups of the woman's face, leering studs, etc. There are three factors (at least) that I'm sure come into play. One is that really good editing is an art and one that improves with experience. But, and this is the second point: the editor has to have the talent for it in the first place. Some folks have got it, and some don't and probably never will. And finally there are the tastes and preferences of the viewer. What some might call a good editing job others won't. No one can ever please everyone. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-13-09 02:27pm - 5763 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I think sometimes there is either not enough or too much in photos -- you know, the curse of Photoshop. But that is more of a special effect that editing, but it would be nice if some sites did a little cropping at least. As far as videos go, I am really more for making the viewer forget about the crew, or at least the cameraman, rather than simply watching a cut-to-the chase video. I agree that some definitely do not want this, but there are already more than enough choices in terms of the unedited video. Oh, and by "nonlinear" I was talking about the type of editing, not the type of storyline. By nonlinear I just meant the ability to work with footage in a nondestructive way (footage that never has to literally be cut), because everything -- at least in the porn world -- is digital. I am sure everything is digitized from the beginning anyway, it is just an easy and relatively cheap way of managing the footage. I guess I was being kind of redundant, since I can't remember the last time I saw porn that was actually filmed instead of being taped. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-13-09 02:51pm - 5763 days | #5 | |
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rome476 (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Aug 19, '08 |
I agree with you 100%. Some scenes are just too long,and I like at least some sort of a setup most of the time (but there are always exceptions). rome476 | |
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| 03-13-09 03:06pm - 5763 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
What I have seen and remember of Mike' Apartment was decent editing, but I was never a fan of the setup, and how it never seemed to change. I have yet to see any of Suze.net though. I am afraid you are right about tastes, because it some cases the no-editing approach is safer than the MTV/bad trip style of overediting that some people have done. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 03-13-09 06:44pm - 5763 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I agree that editing is a lost art form, or at least, I hope that we have only misplaced it. It's not just bad editing but also bad film making. No matter how amazingly good you are as an editor. A pile of shit will still be a pile of shit even after you have edited it. That condition isn't only reserved to porn, but it's in mainstream TV and movies. How many TV show's or movies have I seen in the last 2-3 yrs where keeping track of the action on screen is nauseating because the camera and editing is too fast for the eye to follow. I'm throwing this thought to you guys to see if I'm in left field with this one: Is it possible that one of the reasons for the bad editing is because somehow the mentality of the "supersize me" as creeped into films? Maybe filmmakers think that compressing 3hrs of reel into a 2hrs movie is great because this way the audience will get the most for it's money. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 03-13-09 10:12pm - 5762 days | #8 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
I think that's definitely part of it. Why edit something down when you can advertise a few more gigs of video as part of your preview or site stats. Some people probably think that 15 minute vid just isn't worth it either. It's had to pitch quality when everyone else is talking quantity. | |
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| 03-13-09 10:53pm - 5762 days | #9 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yeah, that stuff I really am sick of seeing. Happens with softcore a lot. The vids on Mc-Nudes, for instance. Almost makes me long for the days of editing "bad trip" style a la Easy Rider. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 03-13-09 11:13pm - 5762 days | #10 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I've heard this stuff about long vids and for my tastes it's entirely long - to me it's like the Vivid vs Jules Jordan thing to give the extreme sides of the issue. Vivid likes to concentrate on their stories and they have relatively short sex scenes that are just that - sex scenes. Jules Jordan likes to have lengthy tease/set-up scenes - 10 minutes of tease is not uncommon with his vids. Me, I'm loving that stuff. That's what I want is for porn producers to find hot women, put them in hot sexy clothes and let me enjoy the site from every angle imaginable for a good long time and have me dying for someone to get their hands on her by the time that happens. I consider it a complete waste of casting and effort for a porn producer to find hot women, put them in hot sexy clothes and not use it for anything. Can there be long boring scenes? Sure - and that's crap porn. It wouldn't be better if it were shorter. It would just be shorter crap porn in my opinion. I've got to say that I feel no obligation to watch the entirety of any scene. I can always go back and watch more later. One caveat - If I were a porn vid reviewer, I might feel differently. Roger Pipe has complained for a couple of years now about super-long DVD's, even though many porn producers that make the longest DVD's are some of his favorite - but that's because he has to spend 4-5 hours watching the whole thing. Me, I get to watch what I want when I want and come back and watch more sometime later - so give me nice long tease scenes and sexy set-ups every time. | |
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| 03-14-09 09:57am - 5762 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't think that anyone can compare Vivid's stuff to Jules. They truly cater to 2 different markets. Vivid's is possibly the most watched studio because, as you said, they have a story with sex scenes intermixed within the story. This allows them to market their material to the softcore markets by simple editing out the sex scenes or the sections involving penetration. Jules stuff is all gonzo sex with no story whatsoever. I still enjoy the older Vivid material, but most of todays stuff does not include a good story nor is the sex any good. Unlike you I tend to find most of Jules new stuff bland and tiresome. Jules movies cost in average 5-10$ more than most of the other studios(I'm talking regular dvd's and not Blue Ray). He justifies the increase in price by the fact that his movies are longer than the average ones. He is correct about the average length, but there is not more content as much as longer content. The 10 minute tease that you enjoy tends to annoy me, because it usually invloves the girl wearing a tiny bathing suit or mini skirt and top. All she does is walk around while we get different camera angles of her doing that. Then we get to the sex scene which usually involves the girl(s) already naked and the guy with a hard on. Then the scene breaksdown like this: BJ, missionary, doggy, cowgirl, reverse cowgil, upside down pile driving (forward & backward) all the while we have to stop the penetration for the girl to do PTM (pussy to mouth) and when the penetration part of the scene is over we get the cum shot which is eitheir a facial or in the mouth (swallowing optional). The sequence of event is not always the same, but it's close enough. The only thing that changes is if there is anal or DP involve, but that just means different camera angles and the added ATM (ass to mouth) which I personally find unhealthy. I'm glad that Jules wants to give us more for our money, but I don't think that this is the way to go about it. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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