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| 02-15-11 08:41am - 5021 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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manos86001 (0)
Suspended Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 21, '09 Location: Flagstaff |
Censorship blowback around the world I find it interesting that most if not all of the 24 countries that experiencing some form of political unrest, also have very strict laws regarding censorship. 1. Albania 2. Algeria 3. Argentina 4. Australia 5. Bangladesh 6. Belgium 7. Canada 8. Chile 9. Cuba 10. Cyprus 11. Egypt 12. Greece 13. Honduras 14. India 15. Ireland 16. Israel 17. Italy 18. Jordan 19. Tunisia 20. Turkey 21. United Kingdom 22. United states 23. Venezuela 24. Yemen Any thoughts? | |
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| 02-15-11 10:27am - 5021 days | #2 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Hi Manos, I don't know who compiled that list. Political unrest in Canada? Australia? The U.K.? Ireland? Belgium? The U.S.? Italy? Israel? Argentina? All these countries may have their usual divisions along partisan lines, which is something to be expected in a Democracy, but, as to Canada for one example, there's not the slightest sign of political unrest here and we don't have "strict laws regarding censorship" any longer. If they are still on the books they are being ignored thanks to the reality of a borderless Internet, except when it comes to the subject p@dophilia. So I don't think your theory holds water. IMO.   Edited on Feb 15, 2011, 02:32pm | |
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| 02-15-11 11:27am - 5021 days | #3 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I find it hard to believe that Iran or China did not make a list of countries with censorship and political unrest. Many countries on the list do not make sense either. | |
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| 02-15-11 12:03pm - 5021 days | #4 | |
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manos86001 (0)
Suspended Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 21, '09 Location: Flagstaff |
This is the link I found online. I was not sure if I should post links on here or not. I know that Iran and other places were not listed as the world is in a state of great change at this time. I enjoy my porn as much as the next person and when censorship comes then that is often one of the first things to be attacked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2F9kn9KfFA | |
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| 02-15-11 06:14pm - 5021 days | #5 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I'm not sure if these really qualify as "political unrest"--the video just calls them protests, which is what many of them are. A bunch of protesters gathering over the Chinese president's visit to the U.S. is hardly political unrest, nor is a group that's angry over the financial bailouts. Tens of millions of people were protesting around the world in early 2003 prior to the start of the Iraq War, but that wasn't political unrest either. Those people weren't trying to overthrow governments, they were really trying to voice an opinion against the buildup and pretty much guaranteed use of military force in Iraq. Besides a few Middle Eastern and North African countries most of these were just fairly peaceful protests, in that they have not been ended Tienanmen Square-style. And as far as censorship or even civil liberties are concerned, I doubt anyone is planning on protesting for those anytime soon. In fact I would say censorship and decreasing civil liberties are the things populations put up with more than anything else, and with little protest to boot. For example, with all the protests for "liberty" and against "big government" that have gone on in the U.S. in the last few months where were these same people a few years ago when the USA Patriot Act was passed and then renewed? Just askin'?  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-16-11 04:11am - 5020 days | #6 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I dunno messmer, I'm Canadian too and I just put a bumper sticker on my car that says "I support the CBC." Some people might consider that a political uprising. Serious though, this list looks pretty suspicious. | |
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| 02-16-11 06:27am - 5020 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I think, though, that the general point is a good one. The world has been opened up, partly due to the internet, in a way that makes it very hard for the rulers to keep things under their thumb in the way they have been historically. So we're seeing demonstrations of highly educated middle class people in country after country who are basically telling their rulers, "Get the fuck out of our way! Get your boot off our necks and let us live our own damned lives!" It's pretty unique and obviously pretty powerful and it's confounding to just about everybody - the imperialist powers like the US that have relied on strong men to keep their countries under control, the religious fanatics that have used that bs to lead people like sheep, the terrorists that have pushed the lie that committing atrocities is the only way to get your point across. It's a really healthy and really important thing that's going on in the world right now. I have no idea where it's going to go. Back in 1979, because the Shah of Iran's regime had so decimated the left, when there were similar uprisings in Iran, it was only the Islamists that had the strength to take control. Do these highly educated middle class people have that ability to do so - or to get their representatives into power when the dust settles? I sure don't know. I wasn't predicting any of this, that's for damned sure and I wouldn't have bet on Mubarak leaving office or the Egyptian military refraining from killing large numbers of protesters in Tahrir square either. It's exciting, though. | |
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| 02-16-11 06:38am - 5020 days | #8 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Good points, PP But - btw - I still believe it's speculative (and probably not very likely) that countries like Canada, Belgium, UK, Austria, Australia, Ireland and a couple others have more restrictive laws concerning censorship than most others in the western world.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 02-16-11 10:56am - 5020 days | #9 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Not me, rearadmiral. I support the CBC as well. I think our uprising will come over the stupid CRTC decisions! | |
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| 02-16-11 06:15pm - 5020 days | #10 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
That list is pretty absurd, for sure | |
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| 02-16-11 06:19pm - 5020 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I'm in Quebec and I can guarantee you that we are probably the least censored Province in Canada. Nudity is a pretty common thing on late night TV and I've seen it crop up on some mini series playing during primtime. I have seen some softcore porn movies playing late at night on a couple of standard Satelite TV channels and these are from accross the Country. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 02-16-11 07:35pm - 5020 days | #12 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
You guys sound pretty lucky. Here in the "freest country on earth" we have to have a time-out if nudity even happens accidentally on TV!  All I have to say to the authorities is: sure, they can cover and censor our pop stars' nipples...when they pry the remote from my cold dead hands!  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-16-11 07:56pm - 5020 days | #13 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
D'oh! Just noticed manos' account is currently suspended! Was that for a link or something? "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-16-11 08:32pm - 5020 days | #14 | |
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Khan (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,737 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: USA |
Nope, it's cause we discovered he's the same person (or at least shares a machine) with the webmaster of desperateamateurs.com Webmasters are not allowed User accounts and no-one is allowed more than one account. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator Now at: MyPorn.com "To get your ideas across use small words, big ideas, and short sentences."-John Henry Patterson | |
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| 02-17-11 08:21am - 5019 days | #15 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
I like/agree with that: "Webmasters are not allowed User accounts and no-one is allowed more than one account." As most here agree on: Webmasters are certainly welcome - we need them to answer our inputs... BUT creating two accounts - one as WM and one as User in the same time is somewhat suspicious... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 02-17-11 12:29pm - 5019 days | #16 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
I agree that the list is pretty darn arbitrary (how can you exclude countries like China or other places that basically run their internet "on behalf" of their citizens). The internet does make it easier to organize protests than the old days. However, it the impact of the net is a little over-hyped by western media. Countries like Tunisia that started this whole chain reaction were not well connected in terms of people being on twitter and Facebook before the fruit seller set himself on fire and killed himself (the event that triggered the Tunisian uprising). What gets overlooked is that you need a select group of catalysts to get the protests organized. It was this group of young computer smart people who benefited from having the skills to use web connectivity. Then it becomes a matter of getting people on the streets which is still done the old fashioned way by personally cajoling people and using phones/cellphones/text messaging to get them where they're needed. The whole Middle East region though is ripe for revolt because of a long history of autocratic rule, little opportunity for young people and economic stagnation/corruption once you get outside the oil business. Still the web is useful for starting the change revolution. What's good to note is that while many of these countries have tight control over the internet, the actual timing of when to take it down proved the ultimate downfall for Mubarak (he waited too long). In the future, it will be almost impossible to take down the internet with the advent of cheap, encrypted personal web servers (interesting article on that here). Governments are also going to find it harder to take down the net in the future. With cell phones becoming personal computers and critical infrastructure either dependent on the net or running their own private internet connections the "net" is fast becoming too amorphous and fractured to be effectively turned off or on by cutting ISP connections or international access. The real story for us Westerners in all of this upheaval abroad are the political gymnastics our governments are employing. We slam the Iranians for beating crowds and demand regime change but our leaders speak of the need to move more slowly when talking about our patrons like Egypt and Bahrain; only jumping on the bandwagon when the winds of change are clear. Also, while praising the freedom the internet brings the US government is also quietly trying to force companies to turn over twitter and email accounts in a desperate attempt to bring criminal charges against Wikileaks for releasing a treasure trove of diplomatic memos. Then of course there is the ever present war against porn and other culturally bad things our leaders think we shouldn't be seeing. While we have more political freedom than many other countries we still have our own "freedom battles" to fight here. | |
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| 02-17-11 12:42pm - 5019 days | #17 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Do you make a distinction between regular channels and subscription Cable channels? On our regular channels, same as on your NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, PBS, nudity is far from common, however we can subscribe to The Movie Network in Eastern Canada which includes HBO where there's quite a bit of softcore and hardcore (only excluding ejaculation) to be found during the late hours. We can also subscribe to two hardcore channels that show the same sort of DVD one would find in VideoBox or Videosz, uncut, uncensored. And then there's the Playboy Channel, rejected by me because of all the perfect, enhanced breasts!  | |
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| 02-17-11 07:28pm - 5019 days | #18 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Supposedly only the regular network channels that you mentioned are regulated by the FCC here in the U.S. (whose control over content "decency" is obviously not free speech, but it's probably better than seeing the Puritans rise up...). The basic cable channels--which include almost everything else but the pay cable channels--are not supposed to be regulated but they pretty much follow the "example" set by the broadcast channels, so basically no nudity or lots of profanity. I've watched a few movies later at night (after 10) on some basic cable channels where the language had been untouched but any nudity was covered, many times in a blatantly ridiculous way, though some times it's better than others. I think a bill was passed a few years ago that upped the fines for networks that aired "indecent" content so they are under pressure to keep things clean, at least in terms of nudity and language as I don't remember the last time something was censored because of its violence. I remember an uncensored broadcast of Schindler's List back in the '90s, though it had a few commercial breaks but only one sponsor (ironically I think it was Ford Motor Co.), and I believe that was later done with Saving Private Ryan as well though I'm not totally sure. It sucks to pay for things but you get what you pay for; some of the best original programming I have ever seen seems to have been produced by the pay channels (the non-boner ones) like HBO or Showtime which are sort of like the free speech zones of the TV world. But I don't subscribe to these I just rent them later on DVD (and I now realize why I watch almost no TV ). "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-17-11 07:42pm - 5019 days | #19 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I just looked at the FCC's website and they had this to say about violence:"Does the FCC regulate violence on television? The FCC does not currently regulate the broadcast of violent programming. On July 28, 2004, however, the FCC opened an inquiry into violent programming and its effect on children. The FCC has received public comments and opinions from many segments of the public. The FCC will publish and make available the report resolving the inquiry on the FCC website." So sex, nudity, and "indecent" language (which they also refer to as "the F-word") are worse than violence? Sigh...  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Feb 17, 2011, 07:54pm | |
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| 02-18-11 09:23am - 5018 days | #20 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
If I didn't have the option of subscribing to Pay Channels with adult (not necessarily porn) contents I wouldn't watch TV at all, except for the news. No commercials, uncensored language, nudity, provocative shows, just the way I like it, even though, here too, not all shows appeal to me personally. But what joy to watch a movie or show that hasn't been mutilated to make room for commercials! To me, the extra money a month to my Cable company is worth it. | |
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| 02-18-11 09:29am - 5018 days | #21 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
This has always baffled me, turbo. To me, the exaggerated violence in many shows or movies is the true obscenity. I wouldn't deny adults the right to watch a violent program but to see the same crowd upset over the "accidental" flashing of a breast .. that's bizarre. | |
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| 02-18-11 08:02pm - 5018 days | #22 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Having a premium, subscription-only channel is about more than just being able to show tits and ass (though that never hurts either  ) but it also frees the show from most outside corporate interests. Though non-pay networks care about audiences it's only in the sense that there are more eyeballs and wallets for whatever is being advertised. Shows can have big audiences but they also need to be able to attract big advertisers to pay the network.Controversy isn't just about "decency" either; you can have G-rated language and heavily clothed people all you want but you also need a certain level of political correctness too. This is one of the things I have heard about HBO's programming, particularly its comedy specials, in that comedians couldn't just swear all they want, but bring up any topic however they please. Just look at all the George Carlin specials they aired--more politically incorrect than any politician or religious leader could imagine in their worst nightmares! (Man I miss Carlin.) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 02-19-11 12:15pm - 5017 days | #23 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Going back to the original post, I really don't think the United Kingdom either has much (if any) political unrest, unless I'm missing something, and from what I've seen our censorship is less than most of the rest of the world (apart from a few European countries. Our free-to-view broadcast over the airwaves TV channels (channels anyone can watch for free) show quite a lot of nudity, even during daytime programming. Last year we even had shows showing prolonged full-frontal nudity during lunchtime with no censorship or blurring. We also get regular daytime adverts featuring naked people with bottoms unobscured. Swearing gets bleeped usually before 9pm and violence is frowned upon depending on context. When I hear about the level of censorship and restriction they seem to suffer in the US, I'm very glad I don't live there. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 02-19-11 12:43pm - 5017 days | #24 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I think nudity has always been treated more casually in most parts of Europe than in the U.S./Canada. I still remember all the main stream weekly magazines that used to adorn our coffee table, all containing a section that featured nudes. No one thought to hide them from the children. Nudity was not offensive. And that was many, many years ago (in the fifties)! I also noticed on the occasions I visited my mother years later that their TV fare was indeed more liberal than Canada's (except for Quebec) but they did censor Wiley Coyote and the Roadrunner etc. by removing much of the cartoon violence! Something we would find ridiculous. Don't know if they still do that, though! | |
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