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02-17-10  01:15pm - 5422 days Original Post - #1
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Wanted, a site to suit my taste!

Okay, it's been talked (typed) to death (especially by me) but I want all my PU friends to get their heads together to find me my ideal site. :-)

I am presently subscribing long-term to two Video sites as well as to two other sites on a three months and one month basis, respectively. I have not downloaded more than a handful of files in over a week from all of them combined, making me doubt the wisdom of subscribing to any of these known, to me, sites in the future unless they change dramatically which I doubt.

So, here is where I need your help:

I need you to come up with the ideal site for me. I have greatly reduced my requirements and expectations over the years so things like age and shaved or not shaved, thin or BBW no longer play a role. Except for "enhanced" breasts. Definitely no fake boobs, ever!!! :-)

Here are just a couple or three basic requirements I am looking for:

1) In a picture site I want my models to start fully dressed, which means with underwear the average woman would wear on a daily basis. No going commando, no going bra-less, thongs will be tolerated (just) if there are enough front views. A thin string disappearing between cheeks just doesn't do it for me.

The disrobing should be slow so that only the last page of a set would contain full nudity! What's the sense of publishing four pages of torsos and rumps or even whole model nudity. Wouldn't, let's say, ten or maybe twenty pictures do the trick there? When is enough enough if most shots only have very slight differences from each other?

2) DVD sites. Please, a story line in most of the DVD scenes offered. Something that leads gradually up to the action, once again containing a slow disrobing scene (as would be the case in normal relationships) before they get to the main action. I would like to see the sex reduced by at least ten minutes to save me all the fast forwarding.

Why have all those twenty minute marathons exhibiting every awkward sexual position possible and even then the male performers have to masturbate themselves to a climax? Does that excite you, honestly?

Naughty America makes a bit of an attempt to give a reason for the upcoming tryst, but they are OUT because the lead-in to the action is too short and too obviously contrived. They tend to jump from fully clothed to fully naked on the nearest bed, sofa, desk etc without a transition. Their pre-occupation with big (read enhanced) breasts is also a huge minus.

So there you have it, friends. And no, I'm not jaded, just bored with all the scenes that jump right into action from the first minute. You know the routine when it comes to DVDs, model sits on sofa, gets introduced, gets on her knees to be approached from left and right by two stunt cocks already fully erect for some reason. Well, I know the reason but it's not pertinent to the scene. :-) This is followed by twenty minutes of changing positions topped by a very feeble ejaculation because they had to do something beforehand so that they would last.

So if in your wanderings you came across any site that even comes close to my hopes .. please let me know!

Hopeful and with apologies to those who like things just the way they are. And sorry about venting once again. I know it's a downer but so is spending a couple of hundred dollars on things that don't satisfy.

02-17-10  01:22pm - 5422 days #2
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I feel your frustration, my friend.

Be patient with WeAreHairy, there are changes coming there. ;0) Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award
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02-17-10  01:51pm - 5422 days #3
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Originally Posted by Capn:


I feel your frustration, my friend.

Be patient with WeAreHairy, there are changes coming there. ;0)


Did you see the comment on one of the recent (yesterday's?) sets by someone called Eric?: too many pictures of women fully clothed and not enough nudes. Paraphrased! GASP!

If he is not one of the photographers but one of their subscribers I can't see a great change coming. You somehow have to please that segment too.

If most of my subscribers weren't interested in the subtleties of a nice, gradual strip I would cater to their taste, it only makes good business sense. That's why I told the webmaster I would make no more comments re. my expectations. One can't please everyone, and he does have a super site he's trying to build, so, let the majority decide there.

02-17-10  02:14pm - 5422 days #4
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Well, at least give it a few weeks.
I have been having extended correspondence with the webmaster and he seems keen to follow most of my suggestions, as they seem to fall in with his preferences.

Just hang in there a while. ;0)

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02-17-10  02:14pm - 5422 days #5
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Did you see the comment on one of the recent (yesterday's?) sets by someone called Eric?: too many pictures of women fully clothed and not enough nudes. Paraphrased! GASP!

If he is not one of the photographers but one of their subscribers I can't see a great change coming. You somehow have to please that segment too.

If most of my subscribers weren't interested in the subtleties of a nice, gradual strip I would cater to their taste, it only makes good business sense. That's why I told the webmaster I would make no more comments re. my expectations. One can't please everyone, and he does have a super site he's trying to build, so, let the majority decide there.


The problem with letting the majority decide, when it comes to matters of taste, is that what is considered popular is too often mediocre. In short, popularity does not mean quality.

But it's probably good for business! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

02-17-10  02:22pm - 5422 days #6
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Exactly right on the first point, D.

There has to be a style within a niche to be distinctive.
Then you have a site which stands out.

Don't really agree on the second part.
If you lose your focus you lose your identity.
Then you get lost in the mainstream maelstrom.

Look at it this way.
The big boys have a huge budget.
They can barrage the market with a howitzer.
Some of it will miss but enough will be successful.

Small outfit.
Well, they have to count their bullets.
They have to be accurate to survive.
They have to pick out their target with a sniper rifle. ;0)

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02-17-10  02:29pm - 5422 days #7
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


The problem with letting the majority decide, when it comes to matters of taste, is that what is considered popular is too often mediocre. In short, popularity does not mean quality.

But it's probably good for business!



Couldn't have put it better myself, Drooler! And seeing that the webmaster has to make a living I decided to wait and see what the rest of his subscribers prefer. He should be able to tell by the download figures of a certain set of pictures or video. In the meantime I keep my fingers crossed and hope that most feel as I do. It would be nice to finally subscribe to the ideal site! I'll even allow it some imperfections. :-)

02-17-10  02:53pm - 5422 days #8
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Originally Posted by Capn:


Well, at least give it a few weeks.
I have been having extended correspondence with the webmaster and he seems keen to follow most of my suggestions, as they seem to fall in with his preferences.

Just hang in there a while. ;0)

Cap'n. :0)


I will, cap'n. I'm there for almost three more months. :-)

02-17-10  06:44pm - 5422 days #9
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I will say that you're not going to find what you're looking for at a mega-site or a network site, you're going to have to go smaller. What you want, honestly, just isn't where the market is at right now, it seems. Just think about the fact that there's a very legitimate chance that Brazzers is the most popular (as in most subscribed to) porn site on the internet, or at the very least in North America.

And a small tip, if you're still around at Naughty America: check out some of their live show archives. I doubt you'd be interested in the actual live shows (too many idiots around sometimes), but within the shows, a lot of the girls take 15-25 of the 35-45 minutes getting undressed (although some have their clothes off in the first 5 minutes, too). I'd start off with Tori Black, as she really loves the tease, and tries to extend it as long as possible.

02-17-10  10:36pm - 5422 days #10
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While I certainly cannot guarantee that it will suit your taste, I suggest to take a look at our site FuckingGamble.com. Our videos start with models dressed, playing some game (from blackjack to go-karts or paintball) and undressing before proceeding to the action. They also play for some time in various stages of undressing. We also spend substantial efforts on what we call "ultra-reality", which includes keeping video continuity as much as possible, without "magically" disappearing clothing or "magic" jumps between different scenes.

02-18-10  11:39am - 5421 days #11
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


I will say that you're not going to find what you're looking for at a mega-site or a network site, you're going to have to go smaller. What you want, honestly, just isn't where the market is at right now, it seems. Just think about the fact that there's a very legitimate chance that Brazzers is the most popular (as in most subscribed to) porn site on the internet, or at the very least in North America.

And a small tip, if you're still around at Naughty America: check out some of their live show archives. I doubt you'd be interested in the actual live shows (too many idiots around sometimes), but within the shows, a lot of the girls take 15-25 of the 35-45 minutes getting undressed (although some have their clothes off in the first 5 minutes, too). I'd start off with Tori Black, as she really loves the tease, and tries to extend it as long as possible.


Thanks a lot for the tip re. Naughty America, I checked out their site only yesterday because they offered me a special price as a former subscriber, and found to my delight that there was a live section, something I had totally ignored first time around. I still have a huge problem with enhanced breasts (same as with Brazzers) so I regretfully passed. But I must say your remarks tempt me to try again! I'd probably end up dwelling exclusively in the live section if the undressing of the girls is a daily event!

02-18-10  11:42am - 5421 days #12
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Originally Posted by FuckingGambler:


While I certainly cannot guarantee that it will suit your taste, I suggest to take a look at our site FuckingGamble.com. Our videos start with models dressed, playing some game (from blackjack to go-karts or paintball) and undressing before proceeding to the action. They also play for some time in various stages of undressing. We also spend substantial efforts on what we call "ultra-reality", which includes keeping video continuity as much as possible, without "magically" disappearing clothing or "magic" jumps between different scenes.


Thanks for the tip, FG. Another site I checked out only yesterday in response to someone's comment or review! It sounded tempting but I couldn't get a clear cut idea if the undressing involved lots of sexy lingerie or just three, four pieces of apparel.

02-18-10  04:04pm - 5421 days #13
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Thanks a lot for the tip re. Naughty America, I checked out their site only yesterday because they offered me a special price as a former subscriber, and found to my delight that there was a live section, something I had totally ignored first time around. I still have a huge problem with enhanced breasts (same as with Brazzers) so I regretfully passed. But I must say your remarks tempt me to try again! I'd probably end up dwelling exclusively in the live section if the undressing of the girls is a daily event!


3 girls, 2-3 shows each, Monday-Friday (except holidays). And usually, at least 1 girl each day has natural breasts. And in what is probably the best thing about them, you should be able to check out what the shows look like without being a member from their tour page.

02-18-10  06:17pm - 5421 days #14
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


3 girls, 2-3 shows each, Monday-Friday (except holidays). And usually, at least 1 girl each day has natural breasts. And in what is probably the best thing about them, you should be able to check out what the shows look like without being a member from their tour page.


Thanks, I'm going back right now to take the tour again. :-)

02-18-10  11:01pm - 5421 days #15
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Originally Posted by messmer:


It sounded tempting but I couldn't get a clear cut idea if the undressing involved lots of sexy lingerie or just three, four pieces of apparel.

It depends. If the game is played in the pool or on the yacht, usually they do not have too much to take off for obvious reasons. If the game is played in more traditional setting, usually girls wear outfits which are more or less similar to everyday life, with five or six items to take off, and stockings usually preferred over tights (see for example recent Game 24).

As a side note, our 3-day trial is mere $2.95 (EUR 2.12 for European customers), and it shows everything we have to offer (with the only limitation being download limit of 6G for the duration of the trial), so if my explanation above sounds good enough, it might be a good idea to try our site (we GUARANTEE that if you do not like it, you will be able to unsubscribe within trial time).

In addition, I would like to mention that we are very open to suggestions coming from our members, so if you (or any other PornUser member) have any specific ideas about any aspect of the game you would like to see (from outfits to actions), please express them here, or in our forums, or in e-mail to support@fuckinggamble.com, and we will try to implement them. There are certain limitations, and it will take some time to organize shooting and see the end result, but if your point of view is feasible to implement and will not be opposed by the other members too vigorously, we will be happy to try doing it at least once, and if feedback will be positive - to make it a regular feature.

02-19-10  09:11am - 5420 days #16
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Originally Posted by FuckingGambler:


It depends. If the game is played in the pool or on the yacht, usually they do not have too much to take off for obvious reasons. If the game is played in more traditional setting, usually girls wear outfits which are more or less similar to everyday life, with five or six items to take off, and stockings usually preferred over tights (see for example recent Game 24).

As a side note, our 3-day trial is mere $2.95 (EUR 2.12 for European customers), and it shows everything we have to offer (with the only limitation being download limit of 6G for the duration of the trial), so if my explanation above sounds good enough, it might be a good idea to try our site (we GUARANTEE that if you do not like it, you will be able to unsubscribe within trial time).

In addition, I would like to mention that we are very open to suggestions coming from our members, so if you (or any other PornUser member) have any specific ideas about any aspect of the game you would like to see (from outfits to actions), please express them here, or in our forums, or in e-mail to support@fuckinggamble.com, and we will try to implement them. There are certain limitations, and it will take some time to organize shooting and see the end result, but if your point of view is feasible to implement and will not be opposed by the other members too vigorously, we will be happy to try doing it at least once, and if feedback will be positive - to make it a regular feature.


It looks as if you are really receptive to the wishes of your members which is always a good sign. You are also winning me over with your statement that you prefer stockings to tights. :-) I have never, ever, gone the trial route but might just take you up on the suggestion. Thanks!

02-19-10  10:24am - 5420 days #17
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


3 girls, 2-3 shows each, Monday-Friday (except holidays). And usually, at least 1 girl each day has natural breasts. And in what is probably the best thing about them, you should be able to check out what the shows look like without being a member from their tour page.


Just a quick question. I just subscribed again for no other reason but the "live shows" but what's facing me right now is a notice saying: "We will return to our live broadcast in a moment." (That's live with Lauren) I've also tried the other models and all I get are teasers. Last question: how do I get to the archives of the models dressing or undressing? Is there a button I'm ignoring. Excuse my ignorance but I'm brand new at this live business.

Forget everything I wrote above. Must have been a temporary glitch because the live show is working fine now and quite entertaining. Also forget about my question re. archives, should have read your original post again before asking. Thanks. Edited on Feb 19, 2010, 11:23am

02-19-10  10:00pm - 5420 days #18
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Originally Posted by messmer:


I have never, ever, gone the trial route but might just take you up on the suggestion.

To provide some additional encouragement for you to try our trial: if after trial period you feel it is not worth the money you have spent on trial for any reason (even if it is merely not your cup of tea), please e-mail us, and we will do our best to refund your transaction using CCBill, and if it will not work for any reason, we will find some other way to refund you the price of the trial. I hope this would help you with this difficult decision :).

02-20-10  12:42am - 5420 days #19
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Just a quick question. I just subscribed again for no other reason but the "live shows" but what's facing me right now is a notice saying: "We will return to our live broadcast in a moment." (That's live with Lauren) I've also tried the other models and all I get are teasers. Last question: how do I get to the archives of the models dressing or undressing? Is there a button I'm ignoring. Excuse my ignorance but I'm brand new at this live business.

Forget everything I wrote above. Must have been a temporary glitch because the live show is working fine now and quite entertaining. Also forget about my question re. archives, should have read your original post again before asking. Thanks.


I have to wonder, how did/do you like it? You picked a good day to start, as today was really, really entertaining on Live with Lauren. Like I said in my Naughty America review, that show is probably my favorite thing about the entire site.

02-20-10  09:53am - 5419 days #20
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


I have to wonder, how did/do you like it? You picked a good day to start, as today was really, really entertaining on Live with Lauren. Like I said in my Naughty America review, that show is probably my favorite thing about the entire site.


In one sentence: Naughty America impresses the hell out of me now! I loved the live show(s)! Normally I go to a site, look at the latest updates and depart. That darn live aspect made me stick around for hours and was highly entertaining. I also found lots of dressing and undressing in the archives of former live shows and am a happy camper.

Last time around I accused them of a certain sameness when it came to their scenes and it might still be there but who cares, live is it for me from now on and would make it worth the price of a subscription. Especially with our discount. I have the feeling I am going to keep this one going! Of course, I'll still download or stream all the sexy mature ladies they offer to their subscribers.

02-27-10  06:05pm - 5412 days #21
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Never been to fond of the more mainstream sites like Naughty America. I tend to stick with lesser known, niche, and amateur-produced sites. I tried a few DVD/Video sites years ago and absolutely hated it.

My suggestion does not satisfy #2 on your list, but does tend to satisfy #1 (not sure if you were looking to satisfy both or at least one). A few years ago I was a member of Little Mutt. It has a lot of beautiful younger models, rarely if ever one with fake boobs (I think the forum members complained early on about not wanting any fake boobs on the site). The action, at least when I was a member, was rather sensual and slow. The models tended to take their time undressing; though the slowness was for their sake to "get in the mood," it wasn't a full on stip show for the camera. So if you were looking for a slow camera-focued tease then you can ignore this post. They tend not to look at the camera. Most of the models started off dressed in, at the very least, a nighty but often in jeans and a tee-shirt. The site also seemed to feature a lot of sensual/erotic massages. The model starts off naked but often covered by a towel, and would be massaged by an older guy or sometimes another female model (who would sometimes end up naked by the end as well). The massages were often slow, starting with a regular massage and ending with a "happy ending" for the model. I rather liked it (and am considering joining again), it was different and a bit more softcore than what other sites tended to offer.

03-31-10  09:17am - 5380 days #22
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I've just seen a review by mbaya on British Tease. Maybe the site is not perfect for you, but it could be worth you taking a look at the review.

03-31-10  11:26pm - 5380 days #23
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Wow I remember little mutt was member long ago. Since 2007

03-31-10  11:33pm - 5380 days #24
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So was I.

It is a shame they haven't been updating recently.

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04-01-10  12:54am - 5380 days #25
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Originally Posted by Capn:


So was I.

It is a shame they haven't been updating recently.

Cap'n.


Are you referring to Little Mutt? I still get their newsletter every week. They seem to be updating fine.

04-01-10  09:01am - 5379 days #26
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No, I'm sorry. We were at cross purposes there.

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04-01-10  12:30pm - 5379 days #27
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


I've just seen a review by mbaya on British Tease. Maybe the site is not perfect for you, but it could be worth you taking a look at the review.


I had a look at the review but "no updates since ..." always stops me from subscribing to a site. I got fooled by 21sextury who put an awful lot of dead sites into their package and if I had the energy to write a review I would tear a strip off them for so blatantly deceiving me. I took out a long term subscription just to get all of the mature sites I was interested in and only ONE of them updates, the rest are dormant if not dead. Arghh! With British Tease I would be afraid of getting yesterday's quality which is now unacceptable to me.

PS. For some reason your quoted text has disappeared! Edited on Apr 01, 2010, 12:34pm

04-01-10  04:01pm - 5379 days #28
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Messmer, it is very true that on Britishtease you DO get yesterday's quality. The pix are not up to todays standards and the videos are unwatchable. But, I did like the content of the photo sets.

04-01-10  07:08pm - 5379 days #29
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Messmer, it is very true that on Britishtease you DO get yesterday's quality. The pix are not up to todays standards and the videos are unwatchable. But, I did like the content of the photo sets.


Hi MBAYA, I agree with you without even having had a look because the content of British sites is usually far superior (going by my taste) to that of the American ones. More teasing, more lingerie .. none of that "let's get straight to the sex" (videos) or "let's get straight to nude" (photos) business that I hate so much.

04-02-10  09:08pm - 5378 days #30
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The site Teen Sex Mania would probably fit your #2. There is some lead in to the scenes that seems fairly realistic and natural.

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