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| 01-22-14 11:57am - 3987 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
If iTunes offered porn... Many of you know (some of you may not) that a big part of myporn.com is to sell individual scenes (unlimited streaming and download) from a large variety of high quality adult studios. Let's face it, our industry has been slacking and this is long overdue! The reason it hasn't been done is the sheer amount of content/studios. We have relationships with most of them already, and we're starting with the very best. In time, we hope we can host all of the latest scenes from most of popular studios (popular being the higher ranked sites at TBP). Imagine being able to customize an online library with manual playlists, smart playlists, or simply browse by tag, or latest purchases. Just like iTunes, but it'll all managed and accessible online vs a local app on your machine/device. Knowing all that... what's an acceptable price you would pay per scene?  The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-22-14 12:37pm - 3987 days | #2 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Depends on if you want to be a follower or a leader and how you view the industry. If you're going to be a follower than it seems pretty simple to adopt the I-Tunes model of $1 per download (assuming good quality HD). If you want to be a leader that involves more risk since you don't have the resources to accurately gauge your potential market. Would people pay $2 per download? For us PU'ers that probably seems expensive given that we know we can rip a whole site for about $20. However, for the casual porn viewer is really $2 unrealistic if there are convenient tags and search options? My guess, which is only a guess, is that people will stick with the crappy tube sites unless you're at the $1 per download or less (of course cheaper is better). My view of the industry is that porn is pretty much a commodity and those who really follow specific porn stars are in the definite minority. Your question then becomes which market do you want to tap. If you're just selling wares from the major porn studios then you don't really have much input in terms of what they are willing to sell you. In that case, you're probably going to have to go cheaper to get the masses to buy in. If you want the new site to be a place where individuals can market their wares (maybe a separate channel) then you can charge more for having the niche market. The biggest problem I see with such a channel is tagging consistency. I've never seen a larger site that had consistent tagging because they had too many tags or too few and/or too many people doing the the tagging. I don't mess around much with I-Tunes but I suspect that the face the same complaints so maybe I'm over estimating this issue. Lastly, in order to get people to buy you're also going to have make sure that you can promise that their video will be around for freaking ever. Don't be like Kindle where the user wakes up on day and suddenly finds that their book is gone because of some licensing issue. This means you have to host the videos on your own servers and not rely on individual websites to stick around. Not so much a big deal any more but just a note. | |
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| 01-22-14 01:24pm - 3987 days | #3 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Couple points I can share. Most everyone is used to a pay and download system Not pay download,Not pay download,Not pay download,Not pay download,Not pay download, well you get the point. How such a thing would work is not per download to me thats a bad idea, But buy a package. Say you buy a month gold package and you get X amount downloads. That way there is not 50 credit card charges either. You could have top end packages for people with $$$$ and low end for the occasional user. I personally do not use pay per view, but I would buy a package. Second point is: Too hard to find a good pay per scene, is just too hard . I means whats fair for a 20, 30 or 15 minute shot? What about when its 18 minutes does it end up being a good deal or bad. I can not think of a good per movie charge just because I simply would not do it. But as said a package deal feels like the old system, but allows your to do a sort of pay per view too. Just as a package. And having packages would meet all afford abilities and varied clientele . CT Since 2007 | |
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| 01-22-14 01:30pm - 3987 days | #4 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
It's been years, and your profile pic still makes me laugh! Anyone who can accomplish this won't be a follower in any way. Organizing and storing this many scenes would put most people on suicide-watch... Here's the iTunes general pricing as a comparison: Movies Purchase = $15 purchase (HD) / $13 (SD) Movies Rent = $5 HD / $4 SD TV Shows Purchase = $3 HD / $2 SD Songs = $1 I use iTunes for all my music and some shows/movies as well since I have/use all the apple devices. They have the most extensive library, and it's easy/organized. It's def not about being a "follower", but learning from both mainstream and adult. Using what we know the market bears is a basis of measurement that can't be ignored. TV shows would be the best comparison. They're primarily offered as a convenience because you can either watch it live, view it on netflix, watch it on their studio's web-site for free, or sometimes On Demand even for free. So like a porn scene... you might be able to get lucky and find it at a tube, but at what quality and annoyance ? You can buy a membership and download the clips, but the process is clunky (from buying membership to downloading each clip).. and trust is still very low. Convenience, organization, quality, playlist options, and dealing with one company you trust is a big benefit to most. We'll be hosting all the clips and we'll figure out whether it's possible to keep the clips licensed permanently once it goes live. It'll just depend on how what we can arrange.. but our goal is to make strong partnerships to keep the content on our serves and available forever. At worst case, you'll be able to immediately download the file and keep it locally. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder Edited on Jan 22, 2014, 06:23pm | |
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| 01-22-14 01:32pm - 3987 days | #5 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
That's been tossed around as well.. and it's something that probably won't happen out of the gate, but something we'll be testing and hopefully implementing down the road.  The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-22-14 02:00pm - 3987 days | #6 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Look at ClipsForSale and cut the price in half or even down to a third? I've looked at that site a few times over the years but the prices compared to a monthly subscription always put me off immediately. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 01-22-14 02:35pm - 3987 days | #7 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
My experience along these lines has been Fyretv whose pricing is cheap per clip to expensive depending on the newness &/or arrangement they made on the producer. You can also purchase the entire DVD. No downloads which sucks. I've also looked clipsforsale (CFS) but their cost is pretty steep and god knows what quality you're going to get. I was lucky to find the lady I liked from CFS online and bought direct from her, though still expensive at least I knew she was getting the money. Because I tend to follow an individual rather than a company, clips would work for me but download only. Cost I don't know about. If I know a scene is worth the cost I'm liable to pay it. But generally I have no interest in an entire movie. And I will join a site that would have multiple offerings in my niche (Like Evilangel). It would be nice also if the fare was not just from DVDs. There are certain producers - Throated, BangBros, PornPros, etc. that I would love a select few scenes to purchase rather than having to join a site where 99% of the stuff is crap (to me crap, not the site itself). And the attention to tags is funny because most times the on-line seller takes the tags directly from the producer which in too many cases is bullshit (Mike Adriano is an example). If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-22-14 02:45pm - 3987 days | #8 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
We don't want DVD/Blu content, so hopefully we won't be messing with any of that. Only exclusive content from our top rated sites (in all content areas) to start. The tagging will be done by a qualified team of experts, in some form. Whether it's our staff, or high level users like you guys. There will be benefits to all contributions like this, but we want the community to maintain these type of things. But every contribution is validated, so nothing gets thru that's shouldn't. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-22-14 02:48pm - 3987 days | #9 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
I expect the clips to be in the $2-4 range (HD only, downloadable and streaming)... but we'll be pushing for the lower end of that. We'll always be experimenting and adjusting as go. Right now we're still in talks with producers to get an idea of what's acceptable to them as well. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-22-14 05:43pm - 3986 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I've bought my share of videos on clips4sale and I feel comfortable in saying that most (not to say all) of them are on the steep side of things. I regretted some of them but I still found some great ones that are exclusive to clips4sale so I couldn't have found them anywhere else and therefore it's a great find. Of course I don't think you will get many people willing to pay c4s prices for non-exclusive content. Especially in the era of tube sites. I think the minimum price you shoud offer is 2$-3$ but depending on the scene than I wouldn't mind a 5$-8$ amount. After all your basic dvd has about 4 to 5 scenes and the price varies from 20$ to 30$ and the porn isn't necessarily any better on the more expensive dvd. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-22-14 06:00pm - 3986 days | #11 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Even being at a computer since shortly before the turn of the century, struggling then with CompuServe (Internet server -- AOL affiliate) and all the bugs associated with it, I still consider myself in the league of neophytes when it comes to operating and understanding its language. I've asked and generously had excellent response from some of the many thoughtfully helpful members here who's given of their time and energy, with genuine interest and intent, to help solve and/or deal with my computer-related needs and problems. Accordingly, I want all to know, just because I don't get back with results from their help, isn't because I didn't act on it, but because I failed to either understand the instructions or properly initiate them in my attempts. One should surely understand the onset of embarrassment associating with this sort of thing. I won't belabor it, but join me if you will blaming the implications to age-related restricted blood-flow to the brain. What does all this have to do with this thread's entry? let me just say, those who're putting together this new venture may progressively determine that my liver-spotted ass is dragging behind the rest of the class. By now they should know this is nothing new for graymane. But rote always comes to the rescue .... more specifically, A memorizing process using routine or repetition, often without full attention or comprehension. Upon closing, may I add if intuition scores with any degree of respect, let me then boast of that being grounded deep enough usually to know a good thing when I see it, and I'm delighted to report to Rick-an-company my vision is 20/20 on this new site.  | |
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| 01-22-14 09:24pm - 3986 days | #12 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
lol Graymane... I failed the first time, but upon reading once more, I'm delighted to report a successful comprehension of your last post. Appreciate it, I'm confident we're headed in the right direction. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-22-14 11:08pm - 3986 days | #13 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
This post is being edited because it doesn't make sense. I also ,have every reason to believe the edited version won't make any sense either. Therefore, after a short time of deliberating the worthiness of spending any more time on something that I don't think makes any sense, I shall then abandon proceeding any further on this which I now have intended to qualify also as not making any sense, but contemplate something new with which I'm quite excited about actually making some sense when the time comes. Edited on Jan 24, 2014, 02:01am | |
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| 01-23-14 07:37am - 3986 days | #14 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
This is what I understand you said in the first paragraph: While there is exclusive content on evilangel.com each scene available as a stand alone download, each director has also bundled this into a dvd (of sorts, since I don't think there are many dvd/blu sold that much any more), but because of this bundling process Myporn would not include this material even though evilangel is currently one of PU's highest rated sites. "The tagging will be done by a qualified team of experts, in some form." Tagging is such an interesting subject where I fear the current terms use can be misleading or just plain wrong. There is not a set & defined dictionary being used. As you know I have strong feelings about oral work. BJ, Deep throat, throating, knob gobbler, knob gobbler with hand job, hands free, face fuck, throat fuck ... well you get the picture, all can be used to "describe snow in Alaska" but are usually lumped into one or two of the above words in most releases. I found in a couple of ADT reviewers, the late Den & Captain Jack, take care in distinguishing with a broader vocabulary than most porn tags provide. Now having a Porn Act Dictionary would be a first. I realize this bark might be lost on deaf ears, but it is what I would love to see. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-23-14 07:59am - 3986 days | #15 | |
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jook (0)
Active User  Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
My 2 cents although it's probably not even worth that much being a stoopid noobie. First, it took me one more time than Rick. I had to read graymane's post 3 times before understanding it. -) Personally, I don't ever see downloading clips. I'm speaking for myself. Aside from the fact that the genres I'm interested probably wouldn't be available, I like movies, not clips. And the cost, compared to download sites, will be impossible to compete against. But that's me and I'm beginning to find out just how different my priorities are after joining this site. However, I wish you the best of luck. I wish I had a crystal ball and could see what the model will be in 10 or 20 years. | |
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| 01-23-14 10:13am - 3986 days | #16 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
You are right in that studios like EvilAngel bundles their scenes into a DVD. I'm mistaken... we'll definitely include these type of scenes as well. In this case, we'll be selling the scenes individually, probably not the entire bundle at first. Tagging something I'll probably bring up further down the road. We have to get this PERFECT... and while I could expand my staff to handle it, I'm thinking let's use experts in the proper fields to help manage it. We'll see though, a few possibilities here. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 10:17am - 3986 days | #17 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Hi Jook, appreciate any and all opinions/feedback. I want to learn various perspectives in this thread. May I ask which sites your currently using to access movies? Are you primarily downloading or streaming? When you say you prefer movies over clips... you saying you like to have a full DVD movies with 4 collective scenes? Or you saying you prefer a full scene instead of just a clip from that scene? Thanks. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 11:10am - 3986 days | #18 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I think as was said last year was the new system wont work for everyone. Took. me some time to adjust to the fact my new home may not work for my uses. I guess for me it still is not clicking the way it should. Big Box movies sell 20.00 ish new in stores and 6 month old movies sell for 3-4.00 for a used DVD 8.99 if at Walmart sealed.( Family owns a video store which includes adult movies is where I get the stats ) Why the convenience of online is better then ordering a DVD I found Itunes which is the example being used to be very much yesterdays news. I do not buy in Itunes yet have 35,000 songs () ( No BS I truly do and never stepped a minute on Itunes.) Other systems like Amazon, Netflix, HUDu are all struggling to stay afloat in the streaming movie industry. And what they provide is new in HD and pretty reasonable month. Its with all the others doing it a diffent way and not making it very well. I just can't grip the pay for movie thing. When I can get it cheaper buying bulk if it where and still get HD and the download. Hmmmmm I don't know. Sorry just can't seem to wrap my head around it to make it work in my brain. Since 2007 | |
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| 01-23-14 11:43am - 3986 days | #19 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
The beauty of technology today is that there are many ways to access the same content. There's always those who will always enjoy going to a store, picking out movies, and ripping the plastic off. Then there's others who have no problem paying a little extra to avoid even touching a disc. Me personally, I always go for the least path of resistance, whenever possible. I don't mind paying a little extra if it means a faster more elegant experience. Less clicks, less thinking, faster delivery. I have to correct you on Netflix (and even Hulu). Both are profiting and netflix now has over 33 million monthly subscribers: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2014/01/total-n...-crossed-33-million/ As of last year, iTuns has passed over 25 billion song downloads: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/02/...lion-Songs-Sold.html For us, it's not about replacing physical discs like DVD/Blu, pay-sites have successfully taken over already. It's about providing a need that clearly exists in all media. Consumers like picking and choosing, they like convenience, and the "pay and get it all" style of consumption doesn't work for everyone. People like just paying for what they use, and some of that is psychological I think. Adult entertainment is very much like any other entertainment we enjoy. Unfortunately our industry has fallen behind with innovating how we access it. Time to catch up. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 02:10pm - 3986 days | #20 | |
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jook (0)
Active User Posts: 325 Registered: Dec 22, '13 Location: jersey city |
The latest site I'm, uh, playing with is YES movies - I'm discovering sites all the time as a result of this site. This one ranks up there as one of my all time favorites. It's a niche site, all Japanese, though the site's in English. Prior to that some of my favorites, again, all thanks to this site, are from the Torbe Network, Czech AV and Oye Loca. My niche is foreign films; in general, I don't like American films or studios. I rarely stream any longer as opposed to when I first came here a short time ago. Streaming has its place, but I'm primarily a downloader now - it's kind of like renting vs. buying, though there aren't many tax advantages to buying porn -). I doubt I'd be considered a typical viewer, but while I like to have a full movie at my disposal, I never sit through a whole movie. That's why they invented fast forward. I actually find myself watching scenes. I jump from one movie to another, watch a scene or two, and move on. I get bored by watching the same scene more than a few times with a a few rare exceptions. And yes to having 4 or whatever collective scenes. | |
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| 01-23-14 04:13pm - 3986 days | #21 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Glad to have you here jook and thanks for your perspective. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 04:45pm - 3985 days | #22 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I tell you Rick, I am very intrigued about the plans, my business brain tells me it not doable. But I was also part of the group that made money off of the other group that doubted this new fangled thing called the internet LOL. People thought I lost my mind spending money on names ?? LOL whats a name you gotta be kidding. Well, I do ok because I made great choices. And I am a penny pincher too.  Well Rick here's to prosperity  Since 2007 | |
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| 01-23-14 05:34pm - 3985 days | #23 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I'm don't really feel qualified to weigh in on this as I don't tend to buy 'parts' of something. When I buy from iTunes, for example, I usually buy the album and not just a song. I think what you're proposing is innovative. This is where I'd normally say that you can't make this work because the people who want to steal porn will always be able to do that. I won't say that this time because the last time I did you pointed out that if you could crack that nut you'd have a greatly expanded customer base. That was a eureka moment for me and made a lot of sense. I'm sure that kind of thinking-outside-the-box is what has made many smaller companies into larger companies. As for scenes, I suspect that I'm part of a minority who probably would have limited interest in that. Not that I have a limited interest in porn scenes, but even though I subscribe to a lot of sites in the run of a year I research them here and at TBP so that when I do join I know I'll like what they have, and that means that for me it'll always be a better value to just join the site. Where it would work for me is if a site offers a scene with a model that I'm always looking to add more of. But that's really subjective. To answer your question though, I would pay as much as $4 for a scene, though I'd be more likely to buy if you could come in at the lower end of your predicted scale. Good luck with this and thanks for keeping us updated. | |
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| 01-23-14 06:58pm - 3985 days | #24 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
Thinking differently for a sec... If we take out the fact that you can buy/organize individual clips from your favorite sites in your own personal online library that you can access from anywhere on any device (i realize i'm a little obsessed with the idea haha), here's another way to look at how this benefits us all: Assuming we can successfully create content partnerships with every major site (and it's appearing that should be able to find a common start ground)... imagine a central resource where not only did you get the best site reviews, a grade representing each sites overall trust (billing/service/privacy/friendliness), but also a place where you could easily preview dozens if not most of their entire collection. Previews could be 2-5 min teasers, or up to 1/2 of newer scenes at no cost at all. Then going one step further, if you still were on fence about joining... you could even purchase a clip as a trial, and if you didn't like the clip, get all of your money back for it (so long as you didn't download it, only stream). Even if you were never interested in purchasing a scene on it's own, having a central discovery zone where you could virtually feel part of the site without ever joining, is an unbelievable resource to any fan of our genre. One might argue such a product might expose even more, resulting in less sales and the "mystery" of what's inside. My argument would be... a better penny spent, is a happier consumer in the long run. A happier consumer tends to spend more to feel that satisfaction over and over again. The more satisfied our consumers, the more loyalty. With more loyalty is trust, and with trust is a connection that can last forever. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 07:13pm - 3985 days | #25 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
cheers buddy! to a better life. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to PornPorn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-23-14 07:26pm - 3985 days | #26 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
btw... rearadmiral, can you hit my profile and shoot me an e-mail? need your thoughts on something. i e-mailed you a few weeks back, but i assume you never got it. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-24-14 08:48am - 3985 days | #27 | |
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jberryl69 (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,000 Registered: Nov 27, '10 Location: neverland |
Rick wrote: "If we take out the fact that you can buy/organize individual clips from your favorite sites in your own personal online library that you can access from anywhere on any device (i realize i'm a little obsessed with the idea haha), ..." Which sent my mind racing off to sitting in the back of the bus banging my johnson off to a new and wonderful oral display featuring Lola Taylor - or maybe it was at my desk at work featuring that skinny oralist Heather Night. Damn, I still can conjure up a fantasy or two. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee. If you're going to lay her head over the pool table and fuck her throat, get your fucking hand off her throat! | |
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| 01-25-14 10:06pm - 3983 days | #28 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
As always, I'm a little late to the discussion, or at least a thread that's gotten a healthy number of responses. To expand on what Rick wrote a couple days ago;
I definitely agree that the adult industry has to catch up. I have fallen in love with the spoils of a one month all-you-can-download subscription, and they have made me jaded to the idea of pay-as-you-get-off concept like iTunes and even more angry with the notion of streaming-only services. Don't get me wrong, outside of porn I've grown to love streaming, with Netflix being the prime example. I watch tons of stuff there that makes me go "Yeah, that was good and I give it four stars, but I don't want to ever watch it again--for eternity." (And its recommendations need some work too; I'm still wading through a lot of junk just because I gave Brokeback Mountain such a high rating a few years ago. And iTunes is cool too, because even though you pay as go, you still get easy, reliable access, and theoretically permanent access at that. I've updated iTunes music downloads between computers because of a simple check it does on its Purchased section of the store. If there was something even remotely that easy for porn just to avoid repeat downloads and missing files...it would be the veritable godsend (goddess-send, because of my focus on women?). Maybe flat rate sites--roughly a porn version of Netflix Instant Watch--would be cool if they could be as easy to use, or somehow get on your TV more easily. Could Roku make their devices compatible for that? (Hopefully without calling it Fucku to call out us pervs?  ) And on a side note, Jobs was not known as a fan of smut, believing in having "moral responsibility," at least with regards to porn on the iPhone. Makes me laugh to think of all the porn that has been edited, uploaded, and downloaded with his computers. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 01-26-14 11:21pm - 3982 days | #29 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
appreciate your feedback turbo! The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 01-27-14 08:31am - 3982 days | #30 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I use Roku find it pretty easy to use and reliable might be a good possibility to look at ./ Since 2007 | |
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