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04-29-12  05:37am - 4620 days Original Post - #1
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Can anyone recommend video splitting software?

I’ve got a bunch of older titles that I downloaded as full movies (the only way they were available). In most of these there are only a scene or two that I really want. Does anyone have any experience with good splitting software? I’ve tried several and had bad luck. Here’s what I’ve tried:

Alok Video Splitter – this encoded at a much lower resolution than in the original file and knocked the audio track off kilter.

ASFbinwin – this seemed promising but had a really counter-intuitive interface. I would have stuck with it but when I was splitting up my third movie something in the process caused the folder to crash. The only fix was a reboot, delete the folder without opening it, and then another reboot before I could delete the folder from my Recycle Bin. Opening the folder caused immediate problems. (I should point out that the first two movies I split seemed to work fine, but this problem is a deal-breaker. If anyone has any insight as to what this problem is I’d appreciate some advice.)

Easy Video Splitter – this little gem appears to have been written by someone in an insane asylum. It’s a free download but then it needs to be registered. The problem is that to access the registration you need a pass code which they email you but there is no place to enter an email address. If the writers screw this up I can’t imagine that the software itself is any better.

Boilsoft – seems to work, but it isn’t freeware and it is VERY expensive.

5Star Video Splitter – the user interface on this appears to have been designed in the middle of a fire drill.

UVSplitter – another ‘gem’ with a user interface that is counter-intuitive. I couldn’t even get the trial version to work because clicking the ‘output’ button kicked me back to the beginning of the process. Seriously, is software design done in insane asylums these days?

4Leaf Media – I have no reason to think that the paid version will work better than the trial version, and the trial version causes a lot of pixilation.

Does anyone have any recommendations?

Thanks for the help!

04-29-12  09:25am - 4620 days #2
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Windows has a good stock on I use Sony Vegas myself as well as a few others that do well . Since 2007

04-29-12  04:24pm - 4620 days #3
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I like and use FreeVideo Dub and Freemake Video Converter.

04-29-12  04:49pm - 4620 days #4
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


Windows has a good stock on I use Sony Vegas myself as well as a few others that do well .


Sony Vegas is a bit pricey for what I need to do. Can you recommend some specific software?

04-29-12  04:53pm - 4620 days #5
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Originally Posted by t9chome:


I like and use FreeVideo Dub and Freemake Video Converter.


I'm wondering if there is a problem with the files that I'm trying to split. I've tried at least 15 splitters this afternoon and only two seem to work, but I'm not to the point where I trust them yet. I tried FreeVideo Dub and it didn't work either. The slider for indicating where you want to put cut points will only go at the very beginning or the very end. Once I try to move it it jumps to the end. I did try it with a scene instead of a full movie and it seemed to work. I had read that a lot of splitters won't work with files over a certain size so maybe that's the limiting factor for me.

Thanks for taking the time to reply.

04-29-12  10:35pm - 4620 days #6
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what you want is Movica, provided you have a file it takes.

wmv, flv, mpeg.

you can mark and in and out and it will render out a copy between those IN and OUT points.

It's a tad clunky but works fast and does no loss of quality.

I used to cut my wmv downloads up into the goos parts and then use Movica to join them back together.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/movica/

04-30-12  06:17am - 4619 days #7
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Sony Vegas is a bit pricey for what I need to do. Can you recommend some specific software?


If you are splitting wmv or avi's not sure why the Movie Maker that comes with windows does not work.

What formats are you usually trying to edit and split ?

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04-30-12  06:23am - 4619 days #8
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I have used both of these, found windows worked better.
But sony is the best but yes pricey as it is a full edit professional I use for my movies I shoot.


AoA Video Joiner is a useful tool to join multiple video clips of AVI, MPEG, MOV, WMV, Flash Video (FLV), MP4 and 3GP together into one large movie. The frame size is predetermined by the software. Re-encoding is often required.


Free Video Joiner easily joins various video files and outputs to AVI, WMV, MOV, MP4 and other file formats, based on your selected multimedia device. Re-encoding is needed with frame size following the first video file you add. Since 2007

04-30-12  06:25am - 4619 days #9
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This "old timer" works splendid - and it's free:
http://www.hjsplit.org/ "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

04-30-12  09:15am - 4619 days #10
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Don't know, but could you need more RAM? The standard 3-4gb in most machines aren't going to cut it (pun intended). My guess is that splitters will load the entire file into RAM. I noticed, in FreeVideo Dub, that a large DVD file converted to compressed format will sometimes choke, even with 8gb. The Freemake Converter seems to work better with extremely large files.

04-30-12  03:49pm - 4619 days #11
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Originally Posted by dalars:


what you want is Movica, provided you have a file it takes.

wmv, flv, mpeg.

you can mark and in and out and it will render out a copy between those IN and OUT points.

It's a tad clunky but works fast and does no loss of quality.

I used to cut my wmv downloads up into the goos parts and then use Movica to join them back together.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/movica/


Thanks for the tip, but Movica is based on asfbin and for some reason when I try to use asfbin it crashed the harddrive that I'm saving to. I downloaded and tried Movica and while it didn't crash the drive it did become unresponsive as soon as I tried to split the video.

04-30-12  03:52pm - 4619 days #12
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


If you are splitting wmv or avi's not sure why the Movie Maker that comes with windows does not work.

What formats are you usually trying to edit and split ?

CT


I tried that too, based on your advice. It seemed to work (after taking forever to figure it out. MS is not very intuitive) but on my test split I grabbed a two minute segment and the estimated time to split that out was 47 minutes. That was my second test. The first one froze at the 55% mark while 30+ minutes into the process.

04-30-12  03:59pm - 4619 days #13
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Originally Posted by Denner:


This "old timer" works splendid - and it's free:
http://www.hjsplit.org/


Sorry to start sounding like I'm fussy, but I tried this and the version I downloaded (which was the only one on the site) has no real ability to control the splitting. The only control is splitting the large file into equal-sized smaller files, which doesn't work for pulling a scene out.

Thanks for the suggestion though!

04-30-12  04:00pm - 4619 days #14
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I know everyone likes "freeware" but several years ago I dropped 79 bucks on Roxio Creator which I use all the time to edit down my vids and burn them to DVD's for watching on the telly. It gets my recommendation for all the things it can do (like adding background music, slow mo, crop frame, etc.).

Not exactly a video splitter but I can take a scene and have it at regular speed, get to a part of that scene I want to slow down for a few seconds (like the money shot) and then pick up afterwords at normal speed without being able to tell it was edited. And while I do like the sounds of the scene, it's nice to add a little music for a change of pace. It gives me the opportunity to edit several channels of effects also. You can control the volume of the music and the native sound, boost the 8 channels to get the best sound - just about anything you need to take older vids and brighten/sharpen them up. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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04-30-12  04:01pm - 4619 days #15
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Originally Posted by t9chome:


Don't know, but could you need more RAM? The standard 3-4gb in most machines aren't going to cut it (pun intended). My guess is that splitters will load the entire file into RAM. I noticed, in FreeVideo Dub, that a large DVD file converted to compressed format will sometimes choke, even with 8gb. The Freemake Converter seems to work better with extremely large files.


Hmmm... I wonder if you're onto something here. I only have 3GB of RAM and if I'm trying to split a 3GB file that could be an issue. But I have also tried many splitters with a 500MB file and still encounter problems.

Maybe there's a codec issue or something. It seems strange to me that I'm now up to about 20 splitters and none of them work as advertised.

04-30-12  06:27pm - 4619 days #16
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As long as you're working with an avi or (a now virtually obsolete) mpg file, VirtualDub is still free. The learning curve is a bit steep, but the price is right. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

05-01-12  06:39am - 4618 days #17
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I'm sorry, "FREE" is not always better. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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05-01-12  12:53pm - 4618 days #18
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


I'm sorry, "FREE" is not always better.

I'll definitely go along with that. Tmpgenc's Video Mastering Works 5 is my editor of choice. But, at almost three times the cost of Boilsoft's Splitter, I didn't think it warranted being mentioned here. (Which, obviously, I've now done anyway.) I only recommended VirtualDub because rearadmiral seemed to want to limit the cost involved and VDub will work on avi, divx and mpg files. As long as you set the color depth equal to or greater than the source file, it makes very clean cuts. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

05-01-12  04:33pm - 4618 days #19
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^ I guess RB, but it just seems to me that if you're going to go to the trouble of editing, you'd want something that packs a little more punch than basic - and here's why. Nine time out of ten, once you get the basic splitting done, then you're sitting there wishing you could do more.

I have to laugh at myself because this is kinda how I treated hard drives with computer purchases. I was always "cheaping" it and then I'd be disappointed with how fast my drive would run out of space. I was stupid cause I did this on my first three computers - well as we all know I was saved by hard drive prices taking a nose dive and for what you once paid for a 40 MG increase in hard drive capacity you can now buy 2T worth of space.

Of course, everyone to his own but I still recommend thinking this through before going forward. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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05-01-12  05:48pm - 4618 days #20
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I have Adobe Premiere 6.5

I've had it for more than a year and have wandered about the platform but have never worked with it. It seems the learning curve is steep.

Is anyone familiar enough with this program to advise me?

I want to clean up vids, eliminating the dross ,inane dialog and artifacts and eliminate the need for fast forewarding. Most of these videos are 25 to 35 minutes and would be great with 15 to 20 minutes eliminated.


Should I bite the bullet and learn it? Or is there another program that would suit me better?

I suspect Jberry is right and I'll be kicking myself about being able to do a better job. unless life also gives you water and sugar, your lemonade is gonna suck.

05-01-12  06:24pm - 4618 days #21
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Originally Posted by jberryl69:


I'm sorry, "FREE" is not always better.


I agree. I tried several trials and would happily pay for what I want, but the trials have their falws too. I think I had more trouble with the trials for the payware. Two of them caused me to have to reboot.

05-01-12  08:25pm - 4618 days #22
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For anyone looking for a video editor that's relatively easy to use, I'll once again point you to Tmpgenc's Video Mastering Works 5. Yeah, it's $100 USD, but the interface is about as intuitive as any I've seen. It starts with drag and drop to open files, continues with large, well-marked buttons for just about every option and ends with high quality output. There's a free trial version available to see if you want to take the plunge. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on May 02, 2012, 11:57am (RagingBuddhist: edited for grammar)

05-02-12  01:28am - 4617 days #23
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This is the one i use http://download.cnet.com/Any-Video-Conve...456.html?tag=mncol;6

Its free and pretty easy to use once you tweak the settings to your liking its called any video converter, i use it a lot to cut portions of a movie into a clip or a scene. Edited on May 02, 2012, 01:32am

05-02-12  08:02am - 4617 days #24
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I've never used FreeVideo Dub but I've had the most success with a combination of VDubMod:

http://virtualdubmod.sourceforge.net/

And make sure the right codec packs installed, maybe the older vids use some more obscure wrapper?

You could try converting them first using mencoder:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MEncoder

and then pass them through vdubmod.

05-02-12  08:56am - 4617 days #25
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I fear this will be my last contribution to this thread, but it should give a reasonable feel as to the process I go through in editing a scene (or scenes) into one that I want.

There are not only movies, but audio, photos, etc to be edited in this program



After creating a new "production", I drop the scene (or scenes or photo) into one of the windows. Then I Rclick on the first box and choose Trim



You then scroll through to where you want to Start and Set that point, scroll through to where you want to Stop and Set that point and close. Copy/paste that the first box which will add a box and you work on the second box the same way. The motion speed is control from the Trim box. Hint: If I want to slow down a particular place in a scene I've created, I copy/paste three times, First Box I end where I want the slow mo, Second Box is the slow mo, Third box picks back up at the end of the slow mo. The timers in the Trim box allow you to stop or start on the exact frame you need to create the transitions.

Each scene you create can be color/saturation/contrast/brightness adjusted (right side) as needed.



Each scene that was created can be transitioned between with a dissolve (which I tend to use the most) or other transition choice (right side)

Each scene can crop out unwanted clutter using Pan & Zoom editor. I've even extracted audio just to have "filler" sound through slow motion sequences.



Each scene you create has a several tracks that can be used, from text, music, special effects (some of which are on the right side of the photo), even layered video or photos on top of the basic scene. You can click to a Timeline view which makes it easy to drop and manage your effects.

Native audio and the music track can be adjusted to vol, fade in/out and length.


There are many text effects you can use and the editing window for the text has like five aspects which each having four or so tools to use.

So typically I personally will use the Trim, Pan & Zoom, Transitions, adjust brightness/contrast/saturation, add a music channel for the back ground, then create a video.



There are several type of quality choices in the final output and video quality and file size are affected by the final choice.

So this is just the editing of a movie or scene into something that I have in mind I would like to watch (or whatever). I used this software to put together graduation movies from still photos and make a nice production out of it.

Again this was just to give you a taste - It has taken me several years and a number of creations to get truly comfortable with all the manipulations that can be made with the software, and I would recommend anyone picking up new software to learn the basics of what you need it to do then expand out a little bit at a time to hone your skill on it. Don't get impatient. If it ain't grits, it must be a Yankee.

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05-04-12  10:37am - 4615 days #26
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Thanks to everyone for all your suggestions. I think I may have wasted everyone's time though as it doesn't seem possible that I've gond through close to 20 splitters (free and free trials) and have had no luck. The only conclusion I can reach is that there is a problem with the videos that I want to split. I guess I'll just have to live with the full movies...

05-15-12  07:52am - 4604 days #27
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Thanks to everyone for all your suggestions. I think I may have wasted everyone's time though as it doesn't seem possible that I've gond through close to 20 splitters (free and free trials) and have had no luck. The only conclusion I can reach is that there is a problem with the videos that I want to split. I guess I'll just have to live with the full movies...


RA I am wondering if there is a codec issue, as almost any video can be split or converted and split, the fact 20 do not work is weird, I split every format I can think of and done it with freebies and my several hundred dollars Vegas program.
After hearing all this I think maybe codes issues ?

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05-15-12  01:14pm - 4604 days #28
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Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


RA I am wondering if there is a codec issue, as almost any video can be split or converted and split, the fact 20 do not work is weird, I split every format I can think of and done it with freebies and my several hundred dollars Vegas program.
After hearing all this I think maybe codes issues ?

CT


It has to be something like that. One splitter I tried (a demo of a pay version) said it detected that the files were damaged and offered to fix them. Fixing them caused a serious crash that required a reboot. I'm not really sure what the problem is, but my wish to free up some harddrive space isn't worth the frustration. I certainly appreciate all the advice here though.

(I should point out that I tried splitting other videos that I downloaded from other sites and they seemed to work fine. That adds weight to the theory that there is a codec issue.)

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If you think it might be a codec issue, checking which codec(s) is/are being used on the file might be in order. Maybe try the GSpot Codec Appliance to see what's what? Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity.

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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:



Easy Video Splitter � this little gem appears to have been written by someone in an insane asylum. It�s a free download but then it needs to be registered. The problem is that to access the registration you need a pass code which they email you but there is no place to enter an email address. If the writers screw this up I can�t imagine that the software itself is any better.


You do not need an email. They publish the pass code and an email on their own site on the page from which you download the software. You just download the software and enter those details (they say).

I have Easy Video Splitter and it works pretty well on my system, with 1GB of RAM. However, I rarely download or process videos and it is several years since I have used it, so I cannot swear that the registration process works properly as I cannot remember. I did check that I have the same version that is on their website though.

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