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| 04-08-10 01:35pm - 5372 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Why dont all you experts in porn start you own site? everyone should have a go | |
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| 04-08-10 02:26pm - 5372 days | #2 | |
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1BestBoy (0)
Disabled User Posts: 8 Registered: Mar 19, '10 |
I think the answer is in the old adage Those who can do, those who can't review or sit on the side and pass comment  PU...a centre of excellence for self important paranoid conspiracy theorists | |
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| 04-08-10 03:21pm - 5372 days | #3 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I'm too busy trying to get the existing porn sites to do what they do better. I've had some success at this. There's an adage: "Why reinvent the wheel?" I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-08-10 03:23pm - 5372 days | #4 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
That would be hilarious. Maybe they'd find out why 90% of new adult sites go bust in the first 12 months. I genuinely believe that the vast majority of adult site surfers have got no idea of the technical and legal complexities of running a site, the interface and layout issues, the compatibility problems, the cost and other factors with bandwidth and hosting, the way marketing and promotion changes over time (ie what worked two years ago doesn't work now), changes in technology (eg HD, streaming, 3D etc), organising shoots, organising equipment and organising models, and everything else that webmasters have to cope with and achieve. We just have to be resigned to the fact that the majority of them are not interested in what goes on beside the scenes, they just want the best results for their money. It can be annoying and depressing but who can blame them? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-08-10 03:34pm - 5372 days | #5 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I've thought enough about the complexities and difficulties of running a site that I sure wouldn't do it myself. I've made other choices for earning a livelihood that work better for me. And the site owners and webmasters have made theirs, no? I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-08-10 03:47pm - 5372 days | #6 | |
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pornwatcher (0)
Suspended Posts: 51 Registered: Jun 25, '08 Location: US |
Because once you get involved with a porn business, you are unemployable in any other business. If they find out, nobody would hire you. Unlike Europe, the United States is still very puritan when it comes to sexuality. It's sad but it's true. | |
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| 04-08-10 04:06pm - 5372 days | #7 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
Miss Hybrid's calling us "experts in porn" seems a bit sarcastic to me. That leads me to believe that there's some resentment when people pick a site apart without a thought to what all it takes to make one a success. Ed2009's answer hits the nail on the head - we're consumers, and porn is just like any other product we buy. There are tons of product review sites out there, full of people speaking out on the shortcomings of things they've bought. Can you really blame someone if Product X doesn't measure up to our expectations and we say so? Anyone who's even half seriously looked into starting a porn site knows the odds are stacked against them. A little Google session will tell you that. My favorite link is http://www.bloggerheads.com/porn_report.asp. It basically says, "Don't do it". Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on Apr 08, 2010, 04:19pm | |
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| 04-08-10 04:32pm - 5372 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
And it happens with movies, books, TV serials, etc. It happens in the work that I do, too. People on the outside really do not understand and they have a lot of preconceptions, some of which are just ridiculous. But they don't NEED to know. I like what I do, and I don't dwell on the realization that some people fail to appreciate it. It's fine with me. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-08-10 04:38pm - 5372 days | #9 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
In one way or another, I've been doing customer service related work for the last 12 years and I'm well aware that you can't please everyone. I've been cussed out to my face, blamed for things I had nothing to do with and even threatened with physical harm. None of that matters to me as long as I know I've represented my product well. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-08-10 06:08pm - 5372 days | #10 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yeah, I've had everything you mentioned has happened to me, too when I was doing a lot of work in stores. People can be such assholes! I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-08-10 06:48pm - 5372 days | #11 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I would never start my own site because the likelyhood of succeding are astronomic. The first and most important thing that you have to have is lots of money and I don't mean 1000$ but more like 10,000 to 20,000$. That's just in the beginning because you will probably need much more before you see any money coming in. How many of us can say that they have that kind of money? Of those that do. How many can say they can afford to lose it all? Most porn sites go bust in the first year because most of the new players simply don't have the money to persevere long enough to accumulate enough members to make the original investment worth it. Most of the otherss simply didn't study the market enough to realise that their content was not going to appeal to enough people to ever make any money. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-08-10 09:26pm - 5372 days | #12 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Gee, no wonder you're so angry!  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 04-08-10 09:31pm - 5372 days | #13 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I think this is a perfect example of what I was talking about in another thread about the inherent contradiction between webmasters & PU's here at PU. No offence, Miss Hybrid, but the whole reason for the existence of this site - the very name of this site - is Porn Users being invited to have a forum to give complete and unexpergated reviews of porn sites - as an addendum to the professional reviewers of TBP. Why don't we all go out and start porn sites? For most of us, I believe the answer comes down to "We don't want to." Does that mean that we shouldn't give complete and unexpergated reviews of porn sites at a site that was created for us to do so? I really don't think so. Besides the fact that this site was intended for that purpose, there's the relevant fact that we're the people that pay money to join porn sites in an environment that is up to it's neck in an attitude that anybody that pays for porn is a moron. Look through the reviews and comments at this site and its pretty clear that while there are significant shots taken at various porn sites there is also a huge amount of appreciation expressed daily for sites that members here believe are doing things right - and while there's significant back-and-forth about that, the cream pretty clearly rises to the top. At least that's my view. If you want to make the case that this whole PU thing is a bunch of bollocks and that it ought to be replaced with WM.com, go ahead. | |
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| 04-08-10 09:33pm - 5372 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
This point has been made in other threads before and it's no joke. There are even legal factors to consider before making porn; you run quite a risk when making porn outside a few locales in the U.S. A website is probably a little different than shooting video for a studio but many Americans have a lot of growing up to do, especially when it comes to s-e-x (think of the children!). Just look at the reaction to the recent health care 'reform' bill being passed--we're an angry reactive people. Maybe not enough people are getting good porn? Losing money is one thing, losing your freedom is different.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 04-08-10 10:04pm - 5372 days | #15 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Very true--everyone's a critic and an expert! Why? Because we say we are, damn it! But seriously, if I had the money and time to burn on my own attempt at starting a site I would honestly at least look into it. I am not married, definitely open-minded, and if I am careful and I choose the right name it will keep the local church groups from having me tarred and feathered...at least for awhile. And then when I finally realize that 'server size' has nothing to do with food or restaurants and I have a sizable list of death threats from angry ex-models I can sit back and watch my creation go down in flames--as the angry townspeople riot outside my offices a la Frankenstein demanding my head on a platter and that my dirty pictures be burned.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Apr 09, 2010, 01:01am | |
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| 04-09-10 12:58am - 5371 days | #16 | |
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Miss Hybrid (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 77 Registered: Mar 21, '10 Location: England |
Oh I love your answers. Great replies gentlemen. I did hope you would take it the right way. xxx From the answers and the fact that I am still here after nearly a year. ..... You may understand why I am so passionate about my site. Constructive criticism on here has helped me vastly improve the site in the short time since I joined. The work involved though, to change all videos to five new formats is enormous. Then adding a site diary as well as keeping new updates going has been hard. I even got an ok review! Thanks for being such good sports. Miss H RB, I now see why you didn't like me singling you out on our first exchanges over alexa ratings. xx | |
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| 04-09-10 04:17am - 5371 days | #17 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Here, here!  I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-09-10 05:07am - 5371 days | #18 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Has Miss Hybrid found herself a fine place at PU to do some marketing for her site? Noticed, that at least two of the three very fine PU-reviews comes from UK...(The third has not stated country) - maybe it's just a coincidence?????????? All webmasters can participate here along with us ordinary users and customers of different paysites - that's how it's got to be...... But why do I sense a strange smell here? Is this ongoing activity a crafty way of getting attention for a paysite - just any attention?  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Apr 09, 2010, 05:22am | |
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| 04-09-10 06:16am - 5371 days | #19 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I agree with Denner here. Webmaster/mistress input is interesting and invaluable, but constant marketing is not how I see PU. | |
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| 04-09-10 07:56am - 5371 days | #20 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I suspect that if the aim of her post was to market her site then posting something which is fundamentally quite negative really isn't a good way to go about it? I read her post (the start of this thread) more as venting annoyance at the situation. Something which every webmaster will experience several times per week (probably several times per day). It's best not to vent in public forums but what she said was pretty mild - I've seen much, much worse posted elsewhere. And, anyway, it started an interesting thread! Of course by posting a reply to this I'm leaving myself open to accusations of the same  We webmasters can't win really! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-09-10 08:14am - 5371 days | #21 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
I don't like the inference here. I like Miss Hybrid a lot and I have corresponded with her a lot. Are you trying to say that I have a commercial interest in her site? I do not. I thought that we had been through this and had it out, but I see that my integrity is still being questioned, I and resent it. If this is how you treat new members and webmasters, I am not surprised that you have so few webmasters posting here. Of course Miss Hybrid is using this board for some marketing. She would be bloody stupid not to, but she also interacts in other ways on this (and other) board(s). She has gained a lot of insight from some of the members on here and has done a lot of work on her site because of it. I am one of the lucky ones that get to see the results of this work, as I am a current member. What difference does it make where the people who have done reviews come from? | |
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| 04-09-10 08:49am - 5371 days | #22 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I would assume that the mark of success for webmasters is the same as the mark of success for people that run any other business - if the site is profitable, then you have won. The fact that people are going to say this or that about your site is to be expected. Hopefully some of the stuff being said about your site falls under the category of constructive criticism or appreciation for the work that you have done on the site. In some cases, it's just a matter of "you can't please everybody" and probably wouldn't be wise to try to do so. As you say, Miss Hybrid started an interesting thread - I'm glad you decided to contribute to it. | |
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| 04-09-10 10:19am - 5371 days | #23 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I think you (probably inadvertently) hit the nail on the head saying "you can't please everybody". The problem for webmasters is that often it seems we can't please anyone at all. People are much more ready to complain than praise (that does in life in general). Over the years I've become quite thick-skinned but it can still hurt when a minor mistake causes dozens of complaints. On one occasion recently a broken link caused someone to threaten to report me to the FBI. I've had death threats, frequent verbal abuse and people who post comments in public forums full of blatant lies. The number of times I receive comments or e-mails with something positive to say is sadly very small by comparison. It would be easy to think that the world was against me and that everything I did was wrong. However my main site has been running successfully for 7 years and has many long term members who keep coming back so I must be doing something right. Using that measure (which is the ONLY way to do it) my site is successful, but I have to say it often doesn't feel like it! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-09-10 02:42pm - 5371 days | #24 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Hi Ed, A while back I wrote a review of your site and didn't really care for it all that much. While that is how I feel quite honestly, I do like that you have participated and contributed to PU. I would prefer to have given you a higher score after how nice you have been on PU. I feel conflicted as I feel you are an asset to PU and thank you for your contributions and insights. Thank you for your politeness as well as good attitude. | |
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| 04-09-10 05:11pm - 5371 days | #25 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Thank you, mbaya. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-09-10 05:18pm - 5371 days | #26 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I thought webmasters were supposed to kick and scream and go off on tangents when someone says anything less than glowing about them or their sites. Sorry... just tired of someone's tantrums on here. I now return you to your regularly scheduled review site, already in progress. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 04-09-10 06:59pm - 5371 days | #27 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
Oh dear, looks like we have some ruffled feathers on this thread!  | |
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| 04-09-10 10:21pm - 5370 days | #28 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
I'm not sure why you think that a) my hitting the nail on the head was inadvertent - I'm a fairly intelligent person b) the craziness of the complaints that you get are exclusive to porn. People are fucking nuts! I've gotten pretty looney-toon complaints in my profession as well. And it's often the case that at the end of my work day, no matter how much productive work I've accomplished throughout the day, I'll get an e-mail that will make me feel like the day's been a total loss. My doctor asked me once if my job was stressful. I told her, "well, if it wasn't, they wouldn't pay me. They'd get an intern to do it for free." That's the way work is. | |
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| 04-09-10 11:29pm - 5370 days | #29 | |
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larss (0)
Disabled User Posts: 50 Registered: Mar 20, '10 Location: London |
Anyone dealing with customers will come across:- 1) Legitimate complaints 2) Idiots without legitimate complaints 3) Misunderstandings 4) Last but not least praise How you deal with these can make or break your business. 1) Get to the bottom of the problem and get it sorted out to the customer's satisfaction. This is not always possible, but in general, customers will always appreciate a visible effort, even if the initial problem does not get completely solved. 2) This tends to be a little more difficult to solve, but the most important thing is to try not too lose your cool. Even if you (or your company) is not to blame, try and suggest a solution, even if this is just a matter of digging out the phone number of the people that they do need to call. 3) Once a misunderstanding has been identified APOLOGISE. This costs nothing and will pour oil on troubled waters most of the time. Once the actual problem has been identified, carry on as in 1 or 2 above. 4) The least common, but most satisfying. Thank the customer for the praise, but do not over do it. You were just doing your job after all. The customer is NOT always right, but it is how you deal with that customer that will keep them coming back (or in our case from choosing other software). I am a co-owner of a small software company, and deal with all of the above on most days. Half the reason that we keep the customers that we have got and attract new customers is because of the way that we run our support department. We may F and Blind about some of them off the phone, but that must not be allowed to pour over. We often get praise not only for the software, but also for our customer service, especially the support team, and many of the industry forums point to our customer service as being one of the best reasons to by our software. | |
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| 04-10-10 04:39am - 5370 days | #30 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
In reply to a): Sorry, I didn't mean it to sound like that. I was meaning that I was taking your reply in a way you didn't intend it. Maybe I was wrong on that one? In reply to b): I have never thought it is exclusive to porn, although I do think people find it almost too easy to voice their complaints on the web and that tends to cause people to sometimes complain about things which really aren't that important to them. If they had to write a letter they wouldn't bother but when it's just a forum post they complain about any aspect they don't like. It can make everything seem much more negative, especially when peppered with abuse/threats etc. Larss is absolutely right about not letting your anger overflow into replies to the customer. It never improves the situation. I view an apology as basic politeness. I'm sure that if I wasn't polite and diplomatic in my own forums (both public and members') then I would not still be in business. I suspect Miss Hybrid in playing the forums in a style which stirs things up as that makes the threads she participates in more active, or maybe it's just her character? Whichever, you can see the effect it has! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-10-10 11:10am - 5370 days | #31 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Ed, You are ok in my book. Yes! | |
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| 04-10-10 12:17pm - 5370 days | #32 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I think the Pink Panther meant to say that the complaints that you get are NOT exclusive to porn because he goes on to mention the looney tunes complaints that he gets in his own profession. | |
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| 04-10-10 01:49pm - 5370 days | #33 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I thought I was agreeing with him, because I too think those complaints are not exclusive to porn. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 04-10-10 06:17pm - 5370 days | #34 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
 I should have read PP's reply and your original post a bit slower. I took a casual glance and thought that PP had made a mistake. My apologies! Edited on Apr 10, 2010, 06:20pm | |
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| 04-16-10 02:32pm - 5364 days | #35 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
Ok I'll do it , umm this weekend  Let me see i'll justswipe my credit card and walla instant site ?? Right ?   Since 2007 | |
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