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| 08-03-13 03:54am - 4159 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Nasos (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Aug 03, '13 Location: Greece |
The Manwin porn portal business model Hey guys. New member here and fairly new to the adult paysite scene. Last couple of months I started for the 1st time taking a serious look at adult paysites as the quality on the free ones didn't satisfy me anymore. So I tried out with Brazzers where I saw this thing they have called porn portal where they offer tremendous values for sites(Babes.com,RK,Twistys,DP,Wicked and more) owned by the Manwin company. 69$ for a lifetime account is just ridiculous value. You have ofcourse to maintain one active membership. I have seen other sites, like NaughtyAmerica or PornPros who have some smaller developing sites like (Tonight's Girlfriend,College/Milf Sugarbabes) and (PassionHD,PureMature,CastingCouch-X) respectively, that practically don't offer anything special to their current subscribers as far as I could tell. Another example is the 21naturals site, which doesn't have even 50 videos yet, 2 updates/week(maybe) and they ask you to pay a full price? I mean don't get me wrong, the quality is awesome, but this is a competitive market.  Now, maybe I got spoiled with porn portal and if I am delusional please don't hesitate to say so, but my question is, do you guys know any other network that has similar special offers for people who are members to one of their sites? Thanks in advance. English is not my first language but I'm trying my best. | |
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| 08-03-13 07:30am - 4159 days | #2 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I wish I could help, but I hadn't heard of this before. This sounds like an incredible deal. Just to confirm, if I maintain a membership to one site and pay an additional $69 I get lifetime access to all those sites (for the monthly price of the membership, of course)? That sounds great. Welcome to PU. This is a great site and a great bunch of people who know and share a lot about their porn 'hobby.' I hope you stick around and continue to contribute. | |
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| 08-03-13 08:12am - 4159 days | #3 | |
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Nasos (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Aug 03, '13 Location: Greece |
Yes, this is correct, and indeed an incredible value. This porn portal thing includes the following sites/Networks: Brazzers, RealityKings,MofosNetwork,BabesNetwork,Digital Playground,Wicked Pictures, Twistys, Playboy Plus, Reality Gang, 3DXStar, GF Revenge, BlackGFs, Daredorm If you have an active subscription to one of them, you can purchase any other for 69$ one time non recurring lifetime fee.(Wicked,DP, MOFOS are 69 euros, all the others are $69). As long as that main subscription is active, you have full access to the others you've purchased. Even if you cancel your main subscription and renew sometime later, the other accounts are still there. (Just to clarify, it's $69 for each site, not $69 for all of them) They also sometimes have offers on their pornportal sites and offer them at $49. Usually this happens with the less popular like RealityGang,PlayBoy Plus or BlackGFs etc.. Although I think I saw Twistys 10 days ago, go for $49, which is just ridiculous. So, you see why I am so obsessed with "value" and "good deals" after this. I got spoiled really bad English is not my first language but I'm trying my best. Edited on Aug 03, 2013, 08:37am | |
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| 08-03-13 09:44am - 4159 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Although I agree that on the surface it appears to be a great deal and maybe it is for many people but you have to be very careful here. 1-You are still paying more than 3 times the current join price and that's above the cost of your Brazzer membership. 2-A lifetime membership to a site may seem like a great deal but will you really be downloading all that much stuff on a monthly basis from them? I know that I join certain sites only once or maybe twice a year because there is simply not enough stuff worth it for me to join more often or to keep an active membership. 3-Cancelling your Brazzer membership will automatically void your access to all the other sites so that means that for the deal to be worth it then you need to keep your brazzer membership active for at least a year. I've had mine active for a lot longer but I also only pay 10$ a month so I could probably try one of the offers. 4-This last one is a little more dubious but may be the most important one of all. Rumors are that Manwin is in deep financial trouble at the moment as well as some legal ones. They bought way too many properties at very high cost and their management of these properties leaves a lot to be desired. Then there's the fact that they have been raping the industry for the last few years to the point where too many people now get their porn from Tube sites. Manwin owns those sites so they still get some revenue from the traffic but I suspect that it's not enough to cover the cost of maintaining them and fighting all the legal battles that are starting to stack up against them. Knowing this then I don't know if I feel comfortable giving a company 70 $ for a membership that may become void just a few months in once the company changes it's policies or gets sold to a third party who won't recognize any past transactions. Let's be honest here. It's basic economy 101. How can any company make money if they don't get regular infusion of cash? After all their production cost are not going down so they need those revenues. A yearly membership to most of these sites is about 100$ and that's a saving of about 100$ VS if you keep renewing your standard membership for that year. Now with the new deal the company is giving you a 40% discount from the yearly membership and also makes it a lifetime membership so that they make less money upfront and won't ever make any more. Does that make any sense to you? Long live the Brown Coats. Edited on Aug 03, 2013, 05:42pm | |
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| 08-03-13 10:05am - 4159 days | #5 | |
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Nasos (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Aug 03, '13 Location: Greece |
I get what you're saying. Obviously as the end-user this makes sense only if you have decided you want a long term subscription with at least on of their sites. If you are month to month it doesn't make much sense. Now, as for the downloading, I personally don't like to download everything I am viewing. I only download some scenes I really like. So having the subscription year round suits me well. But that's a matter of personal preference I would think. Anyway, I started the thread because I noticed that other companies, don't really make any kind of offer for their other owned sites, except maybe for a 1st month offer, which later rebills at the standard full monthly price. If you know any companies that offer special prices for their current subscribers please share.  English is not my first language but I'm trying my best. | |
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| 08-03-13 04:18pm - 4159 days | #6 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Lots of sites offer promos to their users - Manwin is the only company that I've seen that does this inexpensive "lifetime access for next to nothing if you keep renewing your Brazzers membership" type deal. But the Met Art network is an example of what many sites do - offer discounts on related sites. | |
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| 08-03-13 05:50pm - 4159 days | #7 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
It's a great thread and may be some people will also think that the Brazzer deal is great one and they will have you to thank for telling them. I don't have anything per say against the deal but I wonder why it exist because there is no way for a site to make any money with a deal like this. That's probably why no other sites offer a similar deal. How can any site survive no incoming cash? Let alone one that has maybe two sites under it's banner. What these sites normally do is give you access to their other site for free but it's never a lifetime membership. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-03-13 09:06pm - 4159 days | #8 | |
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thirstyfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 30 Registered: May 20, '13 |
This is a very interesting thread. To Pat's point 4 (above) regarding Manwin's financial state and legal problems, here's a link to an article http://nymag.com/news/features/70985/ which talks about Brazzers, Mansef, free tube sites, and Manwin. The article is admittedly a bit out of date (published in early 2011) however if you've not seen it before, it is a good read and on page two is an interesting diagram. I believe late in 2012 Fabian Thylmann (the main Manwin partner) was extradited from Belgium to Germany on suspicion of tax evasion. Perhaps with this Brazzers porn portal offer, Manwin is more interested in taking business away other producers/sites rather than directly make money for itself? To paraphrase Pratchett: "The reason for being in business is not to provide a better service; the reason for being in business is to provide the only service" Porn happens because a large number of things amazingly fail to go wrong. | |
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| 08-04-13 12:25am - 4158 days | #9 | |
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Nasos (0)
Active User Posts: 19 Registered: Aug 03, '13 Location: Greece |
Very interesting read indeed. About the Manwin practices, I think they aim partly to what thirstyfish said, to get customers away from other companies, and on the other hand, potential customers who would never get more than say 2 porn subscriptions, now get more, because of these prices. After all, regarding bandwith and stuff, say I have 5 subscriptions to a company like Manwin. How much time the average user would spend on all 5 sites? My guess is in the long run, not much more than a guy who has 1 or 2. So maybe it ain't so bad of a deal for them after all. Who knows, we'll see how things develop in the near future.  English is not my first language but I'm trying my best. | |
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| 08-04-13 08:38am - 4158 days | #10 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
If you want info that is more current than take a look at some of the stuff Mike South is reporting. Be advised that there is no love lost between Mike and the people behind Manwin. I know he has some detractors who keep saying that he's full of s..t but I tend to believe the stuff he reports. http://www.mikesouth.com/ Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 08-04-13 08:46am - 4158 days | #11 | ||
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The Manwin practice is to F..k as many people over as they can. Mind you they aren't alone because many people in the industry have been doing that for years but Manwin had more cash and more balls than previous people and they managed to destroy more companies than anybody before and probably ever again.
I suspect that the answer is a lot in the first few days because some people like to download as much as they can from a site but once they have it all on their computer than the number drops to almost nothing since they only need to download the new updates which is about one scene per day. The problem is that bandwith is relatively a small cost. It's the cost of the performer that is very expensive and that's why I say that a one time lifetime membership is not good for business. One b/g scene is give or take about 2000$ so a site that adds 5 scenes per week needs to have at least 10,000$ in net profit just to pay for the performers. Long live the Brown Coats. | ||
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| 08-04-13 06:36pm - 4158 days | #12 | |
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thirstyfish (0)
Active User Posts: 30 Registered: May 20, '13 |
Pat, thank you for the Mike South link. I'm still reading (and re-reading) Manwin-related articles there. It rather sounds like Manwin is imploding. I'm now thinking the porn portal offer may have an additional aspect to it. Because it does look like a good deal, it will probably bring in new subscription revenue. Which Manwin can use to placate its investors and keep them at bay. Seems like these guys created a business model that has a built-in 'shoot self in foot' aspect: The tube sites train (casual) users to expect and demand free porn. Porn happens because a large number of things amazingly fail to go wrong. | |
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| 08-16-13 03:48pm - 4146 days | #13 | |
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jupiter4686 (0)
Suspended Posts: 26 Registered: Aug 12, '13 |
If you know any companies that offer special prices for their current subscribers please share. | |
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| 01-02-15 07:19am - 3642 days | #14 | |
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Divinx (0)
Active User Posts: 45 Registered: Dec 29, '07 |
Let's make some calculus. You need not start with Brazzers, you can start from any of the sites adscribed to the Portal. Just start from a cheap one that entices you. Say.. start from DareDorm? It's only $17.95 monthly. Regularly, there are $49.97 lifetime suscription offers, you just have to keep an eye, and wait for the right moment to suscribe. Now, let's sum up the monthly cost of 4 popular networks: Brazzers ($24.95), Mofos ($19.95), Reality Kings ($17.95), and Twistys ($27.95) (though the Portal offers access to several other networks and sites, like Playboy TV, Reality Gang, GFRevenge, Erito, Babes...). They sum up $90,8, with an average cost of $22,7 per site. If you rotate a monthly suscription to these, you end up paying 12 * 22.7 = $272.4 / year. If you do something like that for 3 years, you end up paying 3 * $272.4 = $817.2 Now, if you suscribe to DareDorm, you pay 12 x $17.95 = $215,4 / year. In 3 years it amounts to $646.2. And if you take the lifetime offer for the above 4 sites, you pay for it 4 x $49.97 = $199.88. In 3 years, you pay in a hole $646.2 (Daredorm) + $199.88 (lifetime offers) = $846.08, still more that rotating the networks BUT: we have here DareDorm included, you might have started from Reality Kings, for instance, and would pay much less. BESIDES: you don't worry any longer about downloading as fast as you can. The stuff is always there at your disposal. One day you feel like watching some InTheVip episode, and there it is. Another day you feel like lusting after some gorgeous babe at Twistys, and there she is. Next day you wanna see if there has already been some update in Brazzers -of course, there it is! Well, as long as the PornPortal does not close suddenly before your very nose, you are assured to get more porn for years to come than you can probably be ever able to watch. $199.88 for a lifetime access to 4 major adult networks? Well, it's not cheap, but IF it's not a scam, then it can be a worthwhile investment. One day things may go wrong, you go bankrupt... but you still have lots of porn, because you already paid for it, you just have to pay for one site, but you have access to 5!. Unless it is the PornPortal that goes bankrupt, of course  Well, I followed this path, but after reading this thread I'm bound to pray -just in case! I shall not regret it, though. I have enjoyed it a lot. Anyway, I believe The Best Porn should somehow indicate this in their reviews of the sites that comprise the PornPortal, it might make a difference when deciding which suscription to take. | |
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| 01-02-15 09:13am - 3642 days | #15 | |
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TVFR (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 20 Registered: Oct 25, '14 |
I am not sure I fully understand, but if I understand Mike South : "Manwin pays almost 50% interest on 360M Dollar Loan". That might explain why they needed money. | |
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| 01-02-15 10:04am - 3642 days | #16 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Of course they need the money. Anyone in their place would also need money. If I understand the manwin/Mindgeek (I will now refer to them as dickheads) business plan then it goes something like this. Use money from sources that may not be all that legal to purchase porn content from various content producers in a weird kind of contract that the people who signed didn't fully understand the implications. You then start to show for free that content on tube sites that you own. This has the effect of devaluating the value of the studios from where you got that content as well as devaluating the value of every other porn studio because people can now get free porn on the net so they aren't paying to see yours. Move forward a few years and the dickheads now own multiple porn producing studios whose value is quite low as they are the ones who made it so in the first place and have no idea how to change a trend they started. You couple that with having more tube and torrent sites and you have the mess we now see in the porn industry. They definitely compounded their problems when they bought Digital Playground. That studio was not in financial trouble at the time so they paid a hefty price for it. Money they didn't necessarily have so they had to borrow and you see the outcome. The dickheads brought something into the porn industry that up until then they didn't have. An outsider mentality where you don't know any of the other players and frankly don't give a rats ass about them so if you can screw them over than you will. Prior to the dickheads. Pretty much everyone in the industry knew everybody else. It's a lot harder to screw someone you know then to screw a stranger. I really don't know what 2015 will bring to the porn industry but if 2014 is an example than nothing good is what we all get in 2015. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-02-15 02:38pm - 3642 days | #17 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Manwin (now called Mindgeek) is not really doing the industry and us any favors. Here's a good article about how their sleazy business practices affect the industry as a whole and models that we adore. | |
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