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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Interesting porn-related article in Maxim There’s an interesting porn-related article in the April issue of Maxim titled “The Dirty Secret behind Dirty Movies” that focuses on the porn industry in Arizona and specifically looks at how the industry there draws on Arizona State University for new female talent. I wouldn’t normally have more than a passing interest in the article except that the main focus is two related sites that I’ve been a member at and will be again: Back Room Casting Couch and Exploited College Girls. The article lists a number of websites based in an area around ASU including my current favorite site, Amateur Allure, as well as Lightspeed Network, Aziani.com “and countless others.” I’m not really familiar with the journalism standards that Maxim applies, but I’m guessing that they’re relatively low since the article is written almost as a cautionary piece about how young women’s lives are being destroyed by the predatory male pornographers who live and work near ASU and prey on the “cute young coeds struggling to make tuition at one of the biggest party schools in the country.” The first several paragraphs of the story follow the plotline used at BRCC: a young lass answers an ad for some softcore work and meets a producer at his office. The producer talks about the good money in hardcore and convinces the girl to make a ‘demo’ tape, for which she won’t be paid, that the producer will shop around to get her lots of work in the industry. (Though it wasn’t mentioned in the article, the producer often points out to the model that to get to the really big money, up to $5K a scene, she has to do anal, which he also graciously offers to demo with her.) But the crux of the first part of the story uses the same conceit that BRCC uses on its site, namely that the guy isn’t a producer and there will be no work for the model. The not-so-subtle message of the story at this point is that the poor lass has ruined her life for nothing. (The story also raises other high-profile porn cases such as when Shane’s World shot an edition of “Scavenger Hunt” there, and how a frat boy’s college education was ruined when he had sex with Calli Cox in the shower while the camera rolled. They label Shane’s World “an amateur outfit.” They also tell the story of Courtney Simpson who famously wore her ASU cheerleading outfit in several scenes causing the school to take legal action for trademark infringement. I’m no marketing expert, but I think the better thing to do here would have been to offer to give her more ASU cheerleading uniforms and ask her to wear one in every scene. That could have paid off in increased enrollment.) It isn’t until well into the article that the author drops the façade and admits that the model he is focusing on (“Stacey”) was paid $2,000 to act like she was there for softcore and then get talked into and then perform hardcore. The article quotes “Stacey” as saying that she was duped though, and that she really did enter into the whole deal expecting a few nude shoots. She claims that the BRCC site owner had her sign a contract where the fine print imposed the hardcore element on her. If she reneged on that part of the contract she had to buy her way out at the price of $3,500. But the problem with that story is that the only source is from a woman who obviously has an axe to grind with BRCC. The article does note that such a contract term is illegal. I know we’re dealing with an 18-year old here, but why didn’t she walk away and take her chances? Some things don’t add up. I’m likely a bit different from the average reader of this article in that I have had memberships at BRCC and ECG. I really liked the sites and will definitely rejoin too. But the thing is this: I recognize that this is acting. Is there a power imbalance? Maybe. Is the model trapped? I doubt it. As a regular porn buyer I can also say that there are some models who don’t appear to have done more porn, but many of them have. Many have gone on to have porn careers. It seems that the author found a model who regretted her choice and wanted to speak out against it. In my opinion it’s bad journalism to use one example and apply it to a whole group. One point to note here is that I’m not supporting the tactics that the site uses to recruit models, but I doubt they’re as heavy-handed as “Stacey” said they were. The author should have done some independent research and not based his reporting solely on the account of one young woman who regrets a choice she made. Interestingly, the article quotes the porn recruiter and producer, Mike South, as saying that when he meets a young woman who wants to get into porn he says that he takes a different approach. “My interview process is like this: I’m looking for reasons not to shoot you. If it’s a nice girl from a nice family, I’ll ask ‘why the hell do you want to do this?” I don’t know what approach the BRCC owner uses, but with the author not bothering to find out apart from “Stacey’s” say-so, we’ll never know. Two things that will likely stir the pot a bit: I think that part of the problem is that when I was 18 and did some stupid stuff it wasn’t as public as it is today with the proliferation of cameras and the easy distribution via the internet. My (mostly alcohol-fueled, testosterone-filled) mayhem wasn’t subject to the same publicity as it is today. If someone took a picture of me doing something stupid they needed a week to get the film developed and then if they put it on the bulletin board I could just remove it. End of story. Not so now with everyone having a hi-def camera in their pocket and immediate access to the internet. Another factor is likely the need for attention that so many people have these days. Facebook and reality TV are good examples of this. It may be that “Stacey” and others thought this would be an edgy and hip thing to do and didn’t think through the consequences. And speaking of the consequences, isn’t that our problem too? I think the saying about porn – that we privately adore it and publically abhor it – applies here. It has consequences mostly because we create those consequences. The consequences are of our own making. Maybe we need to realize that some bad judgment shouldn’t scar a young person for life just as we weren’t scarred for life by our own stupidity years ago. I didn’t mean for this to turn into a rant… If you happen by a magazine stand in the next few days and want to read it, it’s the April issue with Sophia Bush on the cover. The article starts on page 77. Keep in mind that the May issue will be replacing that soon. Zinio has it too. (I should also note that the first page or so is available free online.) Any thoughts??? | |
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| 05-13-14 06:36pm - 3875 days | #2 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I read some of the article but it's clear that whoever wrote it didn't do a lot of research (if any). I'm a past member of BRCC and ECG so I know the kind of content they offer. I'll tell you about the same thing I did on ADT and it's that I don't believe this guy is big con artist as the article seems to imply. Is it possible that he is a scumbag? Yes it is. I read some things about him that make him out to be less than a good guy but that he cons these innocent young women into having sex with him in the hopes of getting huge porn offers. Let me ask you. How innocent can a woman be to let a complete stranger fuck her in the ass? 34 of the last 40 women to have appeared on BRCC had anal sex with the guy. I mostly think that he prays on cam models and strippers who have either never heard of the internet or are too lazy to do a quick search. I would think the fact that he shoots porn in Arizona would be far more interesting a subject for an article as it's technically illegal to do so. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-13-14 08:11pm - 3875 days | #3 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Ah, ASU, the same school that had the balls to not give President Obama an honorary degree when he spoke at their commencement in 2010. Just to give some perspective he had already been awarded a Nobel Peace Prize at that point (granted, that's an award that's also been given to such less-than-peaceful characters as Henry Kissinger and Yasser Arafat). I may regret saying this, but I'm going to have to agree with Maxim on this one (regardless of their dudebro journalistic integrity). Let's face it; even the most progressive and "tolerant" parts of the U.S. still view porn and porn work in particular with a considerable amount of suspicion. Even if HR reps are whacking themselves silly to these students when they go home that doesn't mean they're going to come to work the next day and consider hiring any of them. Just look at the response to the Belle Knox story a few weeks back. Of course little to no press on the obscene cost of her college tuition, just the assumed obscenity of a young female student choosing to do porn in order to pay for it. Heck, you could argue that some people do far worse in order to pay for college. I was in the military and it paid for all my tuition and housing after I left, and believe me, the porn industry possesses nowhere near the destructive force, no matter what any moral scold tries to tell you. This is just the way our judgmental society works, so even though I can think of worse things people do at that age--attend ASU, for starters--it's just that most of our college-age fuckups aren't documented all over the web and shown on TV. The young students being preyed upon invariably aren't thinking far beyond graduation, if even beyond the end of semester. But they're of age and once they sigh the contract they're paid and that's it. No residuals and certainly no control over the material. Some contracts may be so insane that they could cover parts of the cosmos that haven't been discovered (you know, just in case). I'm not saying it will haunt all of these young women until the day they die, put into one of those Futurama head jars, or whatever the future has in store for us. I'm just saying the Internet never forgets.  (Who knows, I may one day regret everything I've written here when I go Galt, get married, or find God or something.)  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on May 13, 2014, 08:15pm | |
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| 05-13-14 08:40pm - 3875 days | #4 | ||
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Doesn't In Focus Girls shoot there too, if totally unofficially? (The website's 2257 records address is the Czech Republic.) I guess it comes down to trying to prove that the offending shoot or video was actually shot in the district, which I guess could be done by a tech savvy prosecutor or a conservative judge. I found an article from 2012 that names those two sites as well. And it also says this regarding prosecuting porn:
I always forget that the 1st Amendment doesn't apply if a jury's "community standards" say so.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | ||
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| 05-14-14 01:12pm - 3875 days | #5 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Let's face it, none of those "casting videos" where the situation suddenly turns hardcore happen by accident. Everyone signs paperwork and gets tested ahead of time (at least in the U.S.). Porn is fantasy and the onscreen setup for these types of shoots is the end product in a business model. I'm rather surprised by reading about the contract clause that requires these girls to pay more than what they got up front if the back out (this is probably a liquidated damages clause). It's doubtful a casting company would back more that what they paid the girl if it went to court but the dollar amount is low enough that it's unlikely a girl would hire a lawyer to fight it or that the companies chase down the girls who don't do more than refund the upfront money. As for the moral issues surrounded by creepy porn producers looking for ASU hotties, I say that I'd rather see them trying to lure in college students rather than hanging out at high school senior events or chasing women who are in truly economically dire situations. Pretty much every one thinks they are smarter than what they really are at that age and doesn't fully appreciate the consequences of all the actions they take. While admittedly painting with a broad brush, I'd say at least college girls probably have more of a sense of what they are getting into than your average high school grad or dropout. Does that necessarily mean they are making a good decision .... ? | |
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| 05-14-14 05:57pm - 3874 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
The dumbest prosecutor of all time could prove that the scenes were shot locally since 2257 regulations require that producers keep relevant information on each of their performers so all they need to do is ask the performers if their scenes were shot locally. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-15-14 06:01pm - 3873 days | #7 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Well, pat362, I would say the prosecutors are dumb just for taking such cases to court, but that's just my  .  (Of course, I'd imagine prosecutors wouldn't bring such a case to trial if they didn't think they could win a guilty verdict or at least a decent plea agreement.) "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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