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| 05-28-10 01:21pm - 5322 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
Are we homophobic here? I was thinking about this the other day when I was at TPB and was looking in the “What’s Hot Archive.” One of the sites featured there was Bel Ami Online. The photo in the link was of a person sitting on a kitchen counter. I didn’t look closely, but I assumed that the person in the photo was a skinny, semi-goth-like, short-haired, A-cup, trailer-trashy woman. Just my kind! So I clicked on the link and discovered that the person in the photo was a guy. Oops. Bel Ami Online turns out to be an Eastern European gay site. I’m into small breasts, which these guys obviously have, but they lack the curves and lady bits that I’m pretty partial to. So due to this mistake I checked to see how many gay sites are reviewed here at PU and was surprised to see that there aren’t many. There are only four sites reviewed here by us PU-ers. This is contrasted with 45 transsexual sites. Maybe I’m making a mistake comparing those two categories. I can’t claim to understand either interest but I’m happy to share space with them. (I also noted that even below gay sites are cheerleader sites. There are no cheerleader site reviews on PU! What’s up with that? I’ll have to see about finding some cheerleader sites and posting some reviews. Mmmmm… cheerleaders…) So this got me to wondering where the gay PU members are. I don’t ever recall seeing a gay review here and I’m not sure how I’d react. But there is nothing about this site that says any member has to review straight sites only. Are we unwelcoming? Would a gay person drop in here and figure that we don’t want them? Maybe we don’t, I don’t know. This contrasts starkly with TPB which reviews gay sites. I’m not saying I’d like to see PU flooded with gay reviews (nor would I want to see it flooded with fat-chick site reviews either…) but where are our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters? (I guess the lesbian crowd would probably not want to hang out here, notwithstanding all the great reviews of porn featuring all types of women. I’m sure we’re a little too heavy on the testosterone for them.) Any thoughts? | |
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| 05-28-10 02:12pm - 5322 days | #2 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I know for a fact that we have had more than four reviews of gay sites. I only remember newbies though. I have sometimes even give trust votes and asked questions of gay reviewers. A few months back we had a lesbian who made a few posts and I was not the only one who responded.I like diversity, but I don't feel the problem has been the lack of a welcome here. | |
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| 05-28-10 02:15pm - 5322 days | #3 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I just looked and fifty (50) reviews are listed. I feel the number is still small, but not 4. | |
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| 05-28-10 04:20pm - 5322 days | #4 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic in comparison to the rest of us pervs. My guess is that it's a bit like women and PU, much talked about but rarely seen. I think gays have their own places on the web where they hang out and dish on their favorite porn sites. I think that there is still some stigma to reviewing gay sites here; stigma in that gays are probably thinking they'll get harshed on by some homophobic moron if they post too much on a "normal" review site. Again, I think the tone was set early on that TBP and PU are more about hetero sites and that line of discussion rather than about LGBT issues. Why be the lonely voice here when other sites are dedicated to tastes that meet what they're looking for? I'd like to see some more gay and lesbian reviewers (although a number of us do hit the lesbian sites) but I think we're going to be waiting a while. | |
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| 05-28-10 04:25pm - 5322 days | #5 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
I stand corrected. I simply looked at the number of reviews listed under the gay niche. I didn't actually go in and look at them. My bad... | |
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| 05-28-10 07:47pm - 5322 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I don't consider myself to be homophobic but I won't join a site that has 2 guys kissing and fucking. I have nothing agsinst it but it won't do anything for me except make me feel uncomfortable. I won't watch Brokeback Mountain for that same reason. I would join a site that has transexuals with girls but not transexuals with guys. I'm not going to get into an argument of what a transexual really is because it's not relevant since I consider them to be a man with breast. I invite anyone to join this site and offer a review of which ever site they enjoy. I think the more the merrier. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-29-10 09:04am - 5321 days | #7 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
I wouldn't call us homophobic just because the majority of us are fans of heterosexual porn. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 05-29-10 01:26pm - 5321 days | #8 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
There's a big difference between not enjoying something and being scared of it. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 05-29-10 02:42pm - 5321 days | #9 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Strange how two people can look at the subject so differently, Pat. I have always looked at Trannies as girls by nature, who knew from a very early age that they were in a man's body by mistake but who haven't quite taken that final step yet, so I have no problems seeing them with a man. My problem is when this "girl" is made to fuck the guy, then it becomes unnatural for me. As to the rest of your remarks, I completely agree with you about the "discomfort" factor when it comes to gay material (excluding Lesbians). However I will join the others and say reviews of gay sites or participation by more gays in this forum would certainly not be frowned upon by anyone here. Everyone welcome! | |
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| 05-29-10 03:48pm - 5321 days | #10 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
There are some things that we've never discussed here, such as how clouds are formed, but that doesn't mean that we're nephophobic (afraid of clouds). I'm not gay, so why should I even care? I hope that doesn't offend anyone. And people who like gay porn have done absolutely nothing that I've ever seen to accommodate our interest in heterosexual porn. Fact is, I've never even thought about that before. But the more I think about it, the more I know that I'm completely untroubled by this realization. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-29-10 04:14pm - 5321 days | #11 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
A good way to look at the whole subject, Drooler!  | |
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| 05-29-10 05:07pm - 5321 days | #12 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Seconded. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-29-10 05:51pm - 5321 days | #13 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I consider transexuals more guys than girls because of the penis. You are concept may be the more accurate but for me, a person with a dick is a guy regardardless that they have breast and think of themselves as girls in the making. For that reason. I can't watch a transexual being screwed by a guy or a girl but enjoy watching them screw a girl. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-30-10 11:51am - 5320 days | #14 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I would argue that none of us actually watch true lesbian porn, but more accurately girl-girl porn. I would bet many lesbians would not be as interested or as turned on as we are by the 'lesbian' porn we enjoy, given that it's made by guys for guys with bisexual or very open-minded heterosexual women as the actresses. I remember watching a little bit of lesbian porn (it was specifically made for lesbians by a lesbian cast and crew) and thinking something like "This is boring! When are they going to start really going at it? And what's with all the kissing?" Clearly I was not part of the target audience. I think the girl-girl/'lesbian' material we guys like is not really homosexual and that's why most guys are comfortable watching it. We view it as just another porn video because we are ogling the opposite sex, if only a few more of them in the same place at the same time--convenient!  Add in the factor that you have seen some of the actresses in guy-girl videos as well and you realize it's just horny guy fantasy material, not exactly what any lesbian would care to see. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-30-10 12:01pm - 5320 days | #15 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I don't think it would. To paraphrase Ed2009 somewhat, indifference is not the same as being scared of something. In fact if much of the media and politics were indifferent I don't think sexuality would be an issue, especially homosexuality. But in their eyes it clearly is an issue because, well, it just is, not that there's anything wrong with it, they just need to discuss and debate it fucking endlessly. It seems every time some celebrity of at least marginal importance comes out a number of magazines have to do a cover story "Holy Shit! He/she's gay! And that's okay, but buy our magazine anyway where we discuss it as if it's not."  And then there are the politicians, those oh so great leaders we have faithfully and dutifully entrusted with our votes to represent us...  Yeah, indifference would be nice. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 05-30-10 01:59pm - 5320 days | #16 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
I cannot disagree with your observations, turboshaft. Real lesbian sites and material are exceedingly rare and, chances are, they would not appeal to us half as much as two female porn stars doing a bit of pretending in a video. That's why I hate "lesbian" material in softcore picture sites because it is, in most cases, entirely too obvious that the two or more ladies involved in the shoot aren't really into it but just going through the motions. Pornstars in videos are much more convincing, but they're pros .. they learned to pretend convincingly that they love EVERYTHING! | |
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| 05-30-10 04:18pm - 5320 days | #17 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
Allow me, if you will, to put a somewhat different perspective on this very important thread: Gays know their rights and limitations, and generally they exercise those tenets with admirable constraint and judicious undertaking. from what I've observed -- dwelling amongst the human race for over three-quarters of a century and still limping along -- Gays generally stay ouf of your face, keep their distance from predjudical mindfields, and they don't crash parties. I served in the Army Paratroopers for over two years and never knew I was bunking just next to a gay trooper. It was not until a pair of pants he borrowed from me and returned, bearing the wear-an-tear of the "smoking gun" did a light come on. The message I'm trying to get out here is, apart from and despite of the small percentage of gays who make fools of themselves demonstrating with over-the-top fanfare and hoopla to elicit attention ...A respectable majority maintains a low profile and just want a piece of mainstream Americana; to participate and belong....hence, going after whatever awakens their fancy.......Porn Users website, for example | |
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| 05-30-10 06:53pm - 5320 days | #18 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I own plenty of dvd's from Girlfriend films and unless I'm mistaken. They are all directed by lesbians. The director of some of them sometimes does cameos. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-30-10 08:48pm - 5320 days | #19 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
Do lesbians actually not like the girl on girl scenes in "regular" porn? I've known lesbians but none well enough to ask. Has anyone ever met a straight woman who enjoys guy on guy porn? I've discussed the whole lesbian porn thing with a few women and they don't seem to have a similar taste for seeing to members of the opposite sex. | |
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| 05-31-10 10:08am - 5319 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I never said they didn't like it, but I would think they might prefer something a little more 'genuine' that what we guys are dreaming up. And let's face it; I don't think most male porn producers are creating girl-girl videos for lesbians. I honestly don't know what lesbians would truly prefer in their porn, but it seems insulting and arrogant to think that a bunch of straight men would have the answer, whether they are shooting a scene or, yes, even contributing to PU.  Your second statement is definitely a big difference I notice between men and women. Why we are we so open to the notion that all straight women are really raging bisexuals at heart is beyond me (and probably most evolutionary biologists as well), but they don't seem to have the even remotely same ideas, like "Hey, how 'bout you and your guy friends start making out and have a big orgy. Yeah, that'd be hot."  No, I haven't yet met any women who think like that. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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