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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
New Linda Lovelace Biopic (I was going to originally just post this in Wittyguy's massive Upcoming Movie Thread, but since that's grown to some twenty-four pages and this particular movie is somewhat special to a site like PU I thought it deserved it's own thread.) The new Lovelace movie about Deep Throat's Linda Lovelace is out and I was wondering if any PU'ers have seen it and what their reactions are to it. I'm much too young to have seen Deep Throat in theaters, or to even believe that the 1970s really were a Golden Age of Porn, but I thought there were a few members here who had seen it in its original theatrical form in the early '70s or at least remember hearing about it then. Deep Throat probably approached the mainstream about as close as a legitimately hardcore movie could, and I doubt as many people would even think of going to a theater today to watch what so casually passes for hardcore--fisting, watersports, crazy anal, and other such hijinks. Sure the Jackass movies attracted audiences, but those are understood to be a joke for the most part, and it's probably not as entertaining for so many people to watch some twenty year old girl fart out her partner's load into a cup for what is implied to be some sort of sexual pleasure.  But the interesting thing is just how different today's industry is from the Deep Throat era. I read a recent Slate article about how Linda Lovelace wasn't a porn star by today's standards. Keep in mind that the article is written by a gay male performer who claims he wanted to be in porn since middle school, and then when he was of age he waited a decade. But outside of his skewed male perspective he still has a point. The tragedy of Lovelace's life in and after porn, and what makes the recent film sound so truly depressing, is that she really wasn't a willing partner in much of it. It's a far cry from the hundreds of girls who come in looking for fun and quick cash, find little of either, and leave within a few months--all on their own. And an even farther cry from the women who stay and make a career out of it, even if "porn star" means nothing outside the industry. For the look-at-Lovelace anti-pornistas, women like Jenna Jameson, Sasha Grey, Aurora Snow, and Nina Hartley don't fit their agenda. Even someone like Belladonna, who has had some traumatic experiences because of the industry, has not gone off and joined a convent or some special interest group. An interesting quote to take away from that article and to think about with the renewed interest in Lovelace, from performer Sovereign Syre: "It’s one of the few jobs where women are empowered to be financially and emotionally independent and that terrifies people." "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-18-13 11:59am - 4144 days | #2 | |||
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I haven't seen the movie and I probably never will but that has nothing to do with the subject matter or the quality of the finish product and everything to do with the fact that I almost never watch biopic. I'd rather watch a sci/fi movie where we all know it's not real then watch a biopic where we are expected to believe that everything we see is the truth. There were 4 books written on Linda's life and two of them were pro-porn and two were anti-porn. I believe the people who produced this movie picked one from each group and you get a finish product that is neither pro or anti porn. I checked Rotten Tomatoes and the movie got a 52% rating from reviewers but a measly 38% from general audiences. If I read the info correctly then the overall opinion is that the actors all do a decent to excellent job but that the movie is not very good. The below review is by far my favorite and seems to hit on all the key points. http://www.reelviews.net/php_review_temp....php?identifier=2652
Clearly the person who wrote it has no clue what he's talking about because by todays standard. Any girl who does porn is considered a pornstar. That's not my view and that's why you rarely see me call a performer a pornstar. Those that I refer to as pornstars are the ones that have earned the title as opposed to calling everyone a star. That said. Linda has to be called a pornstar less because of her body of work and more because she was one of the first to do porn and to make a name for herself.
I'm glad she thinks female porn performers are empowered because the reality is quite the opposite. Many of them are slave to their boyfriend/suitcase pimp while others do it to fund their drug and alcohol dependence. Mind you it's not like she does any of the hardcore porn that most of the other girls do since she is a g/g only performer. I wonder if she would have the same opinion if she had to start doing the gonzo b/g porn that most of the other girls have to do.
I don't know if you can say that. It's probably the most famous porn movies of all time but there was no such thing as mainstream in the 70's. At least not in the way that we now think of it. Yes the movie was viewed in theaters but that's because the technology was not there to view it anywhere else. As much as the movie began what is now called "The Golden Age" of porn. I don't know if many of us would really know what it was about if it wasn't for the introduction of VHS movies. We can at least credit the movie with one undisputable thing. The movie as forever altered are vernacular by adding the words deep throat to our vocabulary. Long live the Brown Coats. | |||
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| 08-18-13 02:05pm - 4144 days | #3 | |
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messmer (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,582 Registered: Sep 12, '07 Location: Canada |
Pat wrote: "I'm glad she thinks female porn performers are empowered because the reality is quite the opposite. Many of them are slave to their boyfriend/suitcase pimp while others do it to fund their drug and alcohol dependence." If that is the reality, Pat, then I am done with hardcore porn for good! I'm not going to be a willing collaborator to exploitation. Man, I am so naive, for someone so old. No wonder I always liked soft core, solo sites better. I am willing to bet that most of those models do it willingly and without the help of drugs or pimps. | |
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| 08-18-13 03:53pm - 4144 days | #4 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
I agree the term is thrown around too much to have a lot of meaning anymore. And I still couldn't name any recent award winners or big names (however you measure a performer's career as big), and if you start dropping names of hot new stars I'll be totally lost. Lovelace still seems different from women today; far removed from those who may actually enjoy their work and are lucky/smart enough to keep some of the money in the process. I seriously doubt that "Many of them are slave to their boyfriend/suitcase pimp," but they still don't necessarily feel as empowered as that one woman implied so they end up leaving the business rather quickly. Combine this with the young ages of new performers, particularly the female ones, and I'd imagine it's very intimidating to start off in the industry, even without the suitcase pimp and drug habits. I remember my late teens and early twenties--nothing remarkable or too regrettable--but as mature and headstrong as I'd like to think I was the truth was far less impressive. Fresh out of high school I was hardly as empowered or as confident as I really needed to be, and much less than I'd wished to be. I can only imagine what it feels like for a young woman to try and make it in porn at the same time in her life, particularly within a society that's already fairly patriarchal and judgmental. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Aug 18, 2013, 04:58pm (turboshaft: Spelling) | |
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| 08-18-13 03:58pm - 4144 days | #5 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
It often seems that in softcore and solo porn the only person being exploited is the viewer.  "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 08-19-13 04:10pm - 4143 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Porn is for lack of a better term an industry that is based on sex. The main difference between a porn performer and a prostitute/escort is that the women who do porn do not get paid for the sex act itself but the right to show it. Of course the sex act has a monetary value which is based on the type of scene, the popularity of the performer and the rarity of the scene. The girl gets more money if she has never done something or does it on the rare side of things and she also gets more money if she is very popular. A prostitute/escort probably gets paid using some of the same criteria's. Both industries have one thing in common and it's the relationship between the porn performer/prostitute and her manager/boyfriend/suitcase pimp. The guys enable these women in doing porn/prostitution and they benefit from these enterprises but I know I exaggerated when I said that they were slaves to these guys because the women can probably quit anytime they want to and they keep the vast majority of the money they make. It's just that these guys are never going to try make these women stop doing what they do. In large part because they need the money the women earn for them. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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