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| 05-06-10 06:26pm - 5306 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
PU: By the Numbers About two months ago when I was bored out of friggin' gourd I decided to do a bit of number crunching (it seemed more entertaining than doing my taxes at the time; hell, I guess doing anything but my taxes would be entertaining at that point). After months of time churning advanced calculations that would make Stephen Hawking cry on a highly advanced liquid cooled parallel processing supercomputer (also known as a hand held calculator splashed with beer and operated with 2 fingers), the results are finally in. I looked over the top 30 points leaders here at PU. Am I biased? Maybe. I figured the top 30 was manageable and it provided enough of a sample pool to see what people were up to. In case you're wondering the top 30 have generated about 40% of the PU reviews here and they had enough reviews to discount the one review wonders and site bashers. I also noted that in the top 30 there were a grand total of 10 "no trust" votes out damn near a thousand trust votes cast. We seem to all score pretty conservatively. Exotics4me had the highest average site score of 85.4. James4096 bottomed out the group with an average site score of 72.5. The average score for all sites among the top 30 was a 79 (same with the "mean" or weighted average). For comparison, the average score among all reviews at TBP is in the low 70's: then again they look at everything while we presumably are only joining sites that we're interested in. When looking at each of the top 30 reviewers 10 highest rated sites, only 18 out of the 30 had an average score of 90 or greater. TBP's top 10 reviews averaged out at about 93.5. There was only score of 100 from a PU top 30 and none at TBP. For the most part, we tend to stick to the well beaten path of usual sites. Mbaya seems most likely to review sites that haven't been reviewed before. However, most of the PU top 30 haven't posted reviews of any more than 2 of the TBP top 10 ranked sites. I attribute part of this to the fact that the majority of the top 10 TBP sites tend to be softcore glamor sites which most of us can't stomach in large quantities. Here are some other random thoughts and observations from looking at a number of random reviews among the PU top 30 points leaders: 1. We tend to talk about price a lot while TBP doesn't factor it into a score. This in part might explain why we are scoring lower on average than TBP since even though we liked a site we can't get over having forked over some hard earned bling to view the goodies. Does free access make TBP more of a softie when it comes to reviews or are we just more jaded? 2. We tend to be more objective than subjective when discussing sites. A few, but not many, talk about specifically what they liked in a site but most of us talk about site statistics and overall impressions as opposed to specific models (unless a solo site) or issues. 3. One review that I found interesting was Asmith12's review of "Fucking Gamble" (go here: https://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=45107. I don't know if it was intentional, but he used a +++, ++, and + feature in his "Pros" section to emphasize what he really liked over what would just be considered a standard positive note. I liked this aspect because it emphasizes what a site does really well (or not in the case of a con comment) without having to get too wordy about it. I might start using this on my future reviews. Asmith probably writes the best "subjective" reviews in that he doesn't focus too heavily on the site statistics and numbers and focuses more on his impressions. 4. With 40% of the reviews, you figure that the Top 30 PU points people have to be generating some decent coin for the TBP folk. I see that there aren't any page view counters on any TBP or PU site (trade / proprietary / business secrets?) but you have to guess that people who go to TBP (they're always among the top couple of listings on Google when you search for "porn site reviews" ) read at least some of the PU linked reviews too. Multiple reviews from multiple authors in one place; no other porn review site has that -- now that's marketing. At least I can say that I've probably won more on the weekly drawings than I've spent on porn since joining PU. How many of the points leaders are running a deficit in that regard? Should we unionize and demand reparations or be happy with a pass time hanging out with a bunch of pervs who inform us on our hobby? 5. We seem to expect more from our sites than TBP / other commercial sites. This seems kind of obvious given the Top 30 have an average site score of 79 and presumably we only join sites that we think will interest us. Is this because we go back to our favorites and end up seeing more of the same at the same quality levels (boring) or because we are seeing stuff we like and we want more of it at the highest quality level our modems and hard drives can handle? Enough for now, I'll leave the rest to the accountants .... | |
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| 05-06-10 07:06pm - 5306 days | #2 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
Very interesting as well as accurate analysis. Yes, I would prefer to try out some site that has not been reviewed before. I don't see much of a need to write a review of sites that have many reviews. I trust the accuracy as well as the opinions of those who have written many reviews much more so than those who have done only a few. Many times I could have done a review of sites within a network that I have joined that are well known, but what is the point of that? | |
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| 05-06-10 07:21pm - 5306 days | #3 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
As always this is another great thread from Wittyguy. I'm always impressed by mbaya and others that choose to travel sites that I'd love to try but I'm still a little reticent to do so because I lost so much money when I fist started surfing the net when I was joining any site that remotely looked good that I now hesitate to spend a 1$ on possible crap. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-07-10 09:38am - 5305 days | #4 | |
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Rick (0)
Suspended  Posts: 401 Registered: Jan 05, '07 Location: Las Vegas, NV |
 Wow! I don't know what to say. lol Amazing loads of useful information. Thanks Witty for your extreme analysis. The Best Porn - Ultimate Consumer Guide to Porn Porn Users - Porn Review by the People Ranks.com, Inc., Chief/Founder | |
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| 05-07-10 12:40pm - 5305 days | #5 | |
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Wittyguy (0)
Active User Posts: 1,138 Registered: Feb 04, '08 Location: Left Coast, USA |
Damn, I must be important since I'm quoting myself. Anyway, he's a potential answer to the question (quote from http://www.marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2010/05/why-do-products-please-us-less-than-experiences.html ): We compare products more than experiences, and since products are doomed to not be the best we could ever have got, we are sad. When we don’t compare, we are happy. This requires one of two things: 1. that when we can’t compare something, we assume it is better than average 2. that we find knowing how something compares displeasing in itself unless the thing is the best. Either of these seem like puzzling behaviour. Why would we do one of them? A related reason is that we are more likely to reevaluate products, which sit around and get reused and become less novel, than we are to fundamentally reevaluate experiences. | |
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| 05-08-10 02:52am - 5304 days | #6 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Yes, the products are doomed not to be the best we could have ever got! Maybe we'd have written fewer reviews, having joined fewer sites, having less need to search for better ones, had the sites we'd joined earlier been the best possible. In other words, product mediocrity is good for the economy. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-08-10 06:41am - 5304 days | #7 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Got a Saturday afternoon off and the house to myself and the dogs - so I'll try some inputs/replies to Wittyguys first part of the thread (an extremely interesting thread, btw): 1) Of course we paying users are a bit more critical (yes, TBP does not - I guess - pay for access - but earn from it, no problem - that's the deal - I think). And THAT may turn out to be the main reason for a bit lower scores at PU. 2) A VERY good point - I think that PUs should be generally more subjective in reviews - and therefore in scores. I do not see how you can be objective about a site you like or dislike. 3) Another about subjective - and btw, agree about asmith and the way the reviews are made prsonal - the form and style with the ++++ could be discussed - but maybe an idea for future reviews??? 4) That's the hard one. Who makes "THE BIG MONEY" on all those reviews - compared to those weekly drawings - NOT PUs anyway. BUT that's maybe the deal here - TBP makes a PU and that front-up makes everybody happy - guess they (TBP) put a lot a hours in this - I'm not a business man and have no idea of the outcome from all those sites. Still all we PUs are in this mainly for one reason: getting good porn with warnings and recommendations... AND yes, Wittyguy, your're right: from no other place are reviews from PU quoted as much.. But: Bottom Line: My personal view is that I'd never had found or avoided so many sites has it not been for TBP and especially PU - did and do some search at Porninspector, Rabbits and alike - but they are of much less use.... Second Bottom Line: It's really not my business what kind of money TBP makes....except for one detail: That their score are not depending of the amount of money they make from different sites...AND I believe that it's NOT - or I would not have so high opinion of Khan, Rick and the others here.. 5) Maybe an even better one, I think: Oh, yes we go back! To the sites we know - why? To look for material that's similar to the material we liked months or half a year or even years ago - But there's a reason for that, too: Not to be conservative, but we knew what we got at that/those sites - and a lot a newer sites are not giving us what we seek for - generally too many new sites seems to be "discount" ONLY hunting your money and giving less.. So another final Bottom Line: Would not want to be without all those PU-reviews - which for most parts are a fine help in the ever lasting porn hunt....and no matter the scores: the words, the subjective inputs, the read between the lines ect... that's what makes this PU so much better than any - close to/or not - similar sites.. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on May 08, 2010, 10:26am | |
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