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| 11-09-16 07:14am - 2965 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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aslanozzy (0)
Active User Posts: 14 Registered: Jun 06, '16 Location: Madison,Wi |
Prop 60 defeated http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016...orn-actors/93464012/ | |
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| 11-09-16 10:57am - 2965 days | #2 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User  Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
This may be some of the only good news to come out of yesterday. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-09-16 12:09pm - 2965 days | #3 | |
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iknowwazzup (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Jan 06, '16 Location: United States |
Amen to that. I feel like America might end up getting screwed and the lack of a condom will be the least of the worries.  | |
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| 11-09-16 05:33pm - 2964 days | #4 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Here is part of what Mike South wrote about Prop 60. It came too late but I hope it will clear a lot of misconception about that law. 1. Condoms cause rash/chafing and aren’t made to withstand the rigors of “porn sex” Ever hear of Lube? Olivie oil? Astroglide? whoever said you can only use one condom per scene? MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Bullshit! 2. It allows anyone to sue performers. Actually it only allows anyone to sue producers, performers can also be producers. MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Mostly Bullshit! 3. It compromises the privacy or performer producers. If someone sues the producer who also happens to be a performer they would have to have the name and address of the person they are suing simply to file the suit, so this isn’t something that would come out as a result of the suit. performers who are also acting as producers have to list the 2257 required info on all the sites anyway, that info includes a real name, and a real address …not a po box so Prop 60 does nothing to compromise performer/producers privacy, that info is already required by federal law to be listed on the website or the product packaging. When a performer makes the move from performer to producer this is part of the responsibility that comes with being in business for yourself. if you don’t like it, get 2257 repealed. MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Bullshit! 4. It would run the business underground and or out of state. Condoms are the law in all 50 states, if OSHA cracks down as they have indicated they are going to then moving to a different state will not help. It is already pushing the business underground,and in a way that is a purpose of prop 60, shooting underground wont help you if you are open to civil damages after the fact. MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Somewhat True! 5. It would supplant the current testing methodology and make STDs and HIV even more likely. Nobody has indicated that it would or should replace testing and the current rates of STDs could hardly get any worse…at any given time 1 in 4 performers has an active STD. That has been proven by several peer reviewed studies. MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Bullshit! 6. We haven’t had an on set HIV since 2004 The Rolling Stone Article completely proved that false, in 2014 The CDC confirmed at least one on set transmission in the breakout involving Cameron Bay and Rod Daily MikeSouth.com Truth-O-Meter says : Bullshit! Now for all the things you have read about Proposition 60 lets get to the bottom line Producers should pay for testing as well as any treatment required IF they do not allow condom use. Ela Darling, Julia Ann, I am sure you guys think you are doing the right thing but have you stopped and asked yourselves what would happen if YOU tested HIV positive tomorrow? You may think it can’t happen to you but I can list 50 former performers here who are now HIV Positive that would tell you ya, I thought that too. These are the facts…You would immediately be put at arms length by the industry, The FSC would work very hard to say you did not get it on set NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY! As soon as the dust blows over nobody in porn will have anything to do with you, there will be no financial assistance, no moral support, no paying jobs in the industry doing anything, not even mopping floors. If you don’t have insurance and can’t afford your medical care you can go to AHF or you can die. Is this what you want for your fellow performers Julia? Ela? Is this acceptable to you? If you think this is bullshit ….please tell me ONE person that this did NOT happen to….There is ONE…John Stagliano, do I have to explain why he is different from the rest? Does it tell you anything at all that Wicked Pictures REQUIRES condoms on all of their sets? Does it not strike you as the ULTIMATE in hypocrisy that Brad Armstrong and Jessica Drake are telling you don’t use condoms when they haven’t shot anything without a condom in 20 years? If they are such fucking freedom fighters why aren’t they standing up for what they believe and shooting non condom? Its easy for them to tell you to risk YOUR health, they certainly DON’T risk theirs. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-10-16 11:43am - 2964 days | #5 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
Well, that was rather preachy. I can understand why any performer would only work with condoms, the risks are there, and higher than the industry usually admits. I'd never belittle or boycott them for it. Rebecca Lord comes to mind as a good example of a rockstar performer that made that decision early — did it hurt her career? Probably, but she's enough of a legend that she wasn't stopped by it and is now directing as well as starring. The truth is that it's a personal decision that every performer should take great care in making. That said, the industry is in the business of selling fantasy. I see the call for condoms the same as legally requiring Hollywood stunt performers to wear a helmet and joint pads in all scenes. Nobody wants to see Jason Bourne strapping on pads in the middle of his spontaneous chase sequence. We assume that the stunt performers are skilled professionals that are well informed of the risks they are taking. Occasionally one of them dies and we mourn their loss. If you want to argue that porn isn't properly informing its stars of the risks they are taking, that's fair. They probably aren't, and they definitely should be. That said, a lot of the stars do know of the risks and they keep taking them. It's up to them to come to that decision on their own and not for the state to force it upon them. A side note: I wonder if anyone has explored using CGI to digitally erase condoms? We already know that much of porn is faked (like many cum shots), it seems like a condom could be printed with a computer friendly pattern on it and then CGI could automatically erase it from the scene using a texture built from photos of the lead actor's unsheathed penis. This would be a nice "best of both worlds" scenario. This could also open the door for CGI enhanced "impossible" sex feats like inhumanly enlarged members and such.  "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!"Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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| 11-11-16 11:33am - 2963 days | #6 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Rebecca isn't the only performer to have required condoms and being from France where it is mandatory than I can understand why she went that route. One of the biggest hypocrite in the industry is Jessica Drake who has required condoms in all her scenes for over a decade and she was a major advocate against Prop 60 because of the mandatory condom law. She would be significantly more credible if she actually worked for companies that force her to shoot condomless. -The Hollywood comparison is often brought up to shoot down the mandatory condom use and I can see why but it really isn't an accurate one because in fact there are strict OSHA guidelines imposed on Hollywood and the fines are quite high. Why do you think studios buy insurance to cover possible accidents during action sequences? These days many stunts are done post production in CGI because there is no danger of someone being hurt. I'd also like to point out that unlike porn. If a stuntman is hurt than he is the only person but in porn two or more people will in fact be affected. -Actually most new performers have no clue of the danger involved in shooting porn. I'm not saying that many of them wouldn't still shoot porn if they did because it's clear that the vast majority of performers will get more than one STI in their porn career so it stands that they knew the danger after getting the first one and they kept doing porn. -The CGI thing is a recurring theme on another forum and the general consensus is that it's not cost efficient for any porn studio to even consider. When you couple that with the amount of hours a technician would have to dedicate to removing the condom and you can see why porn studios will probably never consider it. That is unless the technology gets to be very cheap and quick to do. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-11-16 02:44pm - 2962 days | #7 | ||
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
However, porn in California is covered by OSHA, enforcement is just limited, that is what Prop 60 was trying to address. I guess why I think the Hollywood comparison is apt, and not a typical workplace comparison is that I see porn as a entertainers, not workers. If prostitution was legal in California, making it illegal for Brothels to require condom-free service makes sense. Since they are dealing the public. However, these are pros working with pros in an artistic medium. If they want to take the risk for their art, that is their right, in my opinion. That said, OSHA probably should fine the hell out of producers that have disease outbreaks on condom-free sets, and they should be carrying insurance for just that situation.
It seems to me, at the rate that computers are improving, automated CGI "fixes" like this will be coming along soon. It is amazing what can be done today in realtime, let alone editing that is rendered in post production. That said, I sometimes forget just how low budget much of the porn productions are. Still, I'd love to see somebody experimenting with this. I don't know how fast the typical porn scene is edited, but I'll bet it is surprisingly quick. (Like days, or even hours, instead of months, or even years for some movies.) "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | ||
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| 11-11-16 05:59pm - 2962 days | #8 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^OSHA has already fined the hell out of Kink twice and I believe that three performers are suing Kink for on-set HIV infection that occurred in the last three years. I agree that technology is advancing rapidly and cost must be going down as well but as you point out porn production are still low budget and it can be argued that they are even lower than just a few years ago. I can't see any studio actually spending money on CGI technology when they can still film condomless porn with impunity. The day OSHA enforces the condom laws is the day porn chooses to look into technology to remove the condom from the video. I'd also like to point out that most porn scnes are for the most part not edited or very little is done. That's why a gonzo video that used to last maybe 25-30 minutes now last over 40-45 minutes. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 11-11-16 06:07pm - 2962 days | #9 | |
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Toadsith (0)
Active User Posts: 936 Registered: Dec 07, '07 Location: USA |
I believe you are right on that, which probably means they are just doing color correction, audio normalization, stabilizing, and removing bloopers / director commentary and that sort of thing. When editing video, I used to estimate 1 hour of editing for every second of video. I'm better now, so it is more like one hour for every 3 seconds to do a properly good job. I can't imagine editing an hour long video in a day — and I think these folks do just that. I'm sure they are faster than me, but that is still absurdly fast. "I'm not a number, I'm a free man!" Second Grand Order Poobah in the Loyal Order of the Water Buffalo | |
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