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01-16-22  08:07pm - 1071 days #5
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It's part of Gamma Support. The same biller used by Adult Time, Evil Angel, and all the Gamma sites. I don't know if Gamma has bought the site or group the site is in (Aziani), but if you go to the digigamma page you see it says "Powered by Gamma Support". It also looks and works just like any of Gamma Support sites. PinkPanther recently posted about having a problem with add-ons with Gamma but generally speaking, in my experience, just joining a single site or network, it's a very good support system. Here's the link to their cancel page. I don't remember the rules on links but I think in this case it's okay. If not, someone remove it.
https://digigammasupport.com/contact.php My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-20-21  07:27am - 1160 days #2
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I haven't heard of the site but can tell you I've used Verotel quite a bit with no problems. They are the biller on a couple of clothing fetish sites I like that aren't regularly listed on sites like PU/TBP and Verotel usually means one thing, in my experience. The porn site isn't updating. That's why they give you the one time, non-recurring price. I will tell you of one experience I had with a site they are the biller on, the site went out of business the month after my subscription ended. If you look up best porn billers on Google, you will most likely find them in the list. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-17-20  10:50pm - 1496 days #6
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Originally Posted by tangub:


I'm pretty sure abolishing the weekly raffle in favour of the monthly one is the main contributing factor to the lack of activity here now. It's basically killed off the majority of user participation for weeks at a time now until the last 24-48 hours before the raffle deadline when the usual suspects show up to post a few reviews.


It does go into my 13 years of superstition and obsessiveness. When I first started on PU back in 2007, I was off from work on Saturdays, Sundays and Tuesdays. There was no way I was spending my weekend writing reviews. It left me Monday night into Tuesday morning, the day of the old weekly raffle to post mine. One of the funniest, oldest PU stories was Khan said several members thought I had figured out some kind of exploit of the raffle algorithm so they started reviewing right before the weekly raffle deadline too. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-17-20  10:45pm - 1496 days #5
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I learned a valuable lesson when I started doing site reviews again. 90% of the time, though you can see that you are logged in at the top of the page, when you submit your site review, the site will wipe out everything you have written and tell you that you are not logged in and need to log in to do a site review.


You can also click your name to open in a new tab before hitting submit on a review. It will show if you're still signed in. The few times I've done it and been signed out, you can sign back in from the new tab and it will be signed in when you hit submit on the review. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

09-03-20  05:48pm - 1571 days #5
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I switched to USB powered drives several years ago and have four but only use 2 for porn.

They are both Western Digital My Passport 3.0 USB hard drives @ 4TB each.

The other two I have are Western Digital Elements 3.0 USB hard drive @ 2TB and a Toshiba Canvio 3.0 USB hard drive @ 4TB.

The only complaint I have about any of those is the Toshiba has a bright blue light on the top. When you are downloading or watching something from it the light flashes. In a semi-dark room it lights the whole room up with each flash. It's an easy fix with a piece of dark tape but I think that also shows how few problems I have had with these drives. I think Amazon has the 5TB version of the My Passport for around $100. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

08-07-20  10:28pm - 1598 days #2
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I'm not a mod as you know, but do know I shared a tip on receiving the Adult Time $9.95 price with downloads. LKLK listed it here in the forum too. MikeC replied to it with

Originally Posted by MikeC:


Hi, guys. Long winded response from me (apologies in advance)

I just wanted to drop in real quick in response to this thread. First off, I want to unequivocally state that we appreciate everyone's contributions to the site (either in reviews or in these forums) and we certainly don't fault anyone for wanting to find a better deal for any site wherever they can. With that said, this would not be the kind of discovery that would warrant a $200 prize from us.

As has come up in other posts (and noted on every review on TBP), the site generates revenue from the affiliate model. People read the reviews, click the links connected to those reviews and join sites, of which there is a commission. The weekly raffle was started a long time ago as a way to give back to the members who contribute content and help make this a quality resource for people (which I have mentioned in other posts, as well - webmasters READ these reviews)

Directing people away from PornUsers to other sites to sign up to their memberships actually generates less money for PU, making things like the raffle less likely to continue. I'm sure you understand.

PornUsers is not a tube site, a torrent site or a file locker; it's a forum dedicated to user-generated pay site reviews.

And as a post-script; Gamma (the company behind Adult Time) is in the process of actually removing those 9.95 links wherever they can, so if it is something you're intersted in I do suggest you get on it ASAP
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07-21-20  03:18am - 1616 days #4
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I only have had one gripe with the TBP reviews.

I don't understand why streaming-only sites don't receive a Downloads grade.

Common sense says because they don't have downloads but what about sites that offer downloads, just not many options?

I have seen sites graded a C for downloads because they only have one or two download options.

While the streaming-only site doesn't have a downloads grade. Shouldn't it be uniform?

If you're going to give a site a C for not having many download options, shouldn't a site with no download options receive an F on downloads? My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

07-16-20  08:28am - 1621 days #2
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That slut!
Mary just sent me one with her new "email box".
She sent me one last week that asked if I still live in Fountain Valley, CA.

I haven't lived there since 2012. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

07-07-20  01:58am - 1630 days #3
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I have 3 that I receive everyday or every other day and I know they are from porn sites.

This is what each says:
Hi (my name), do you still live in (area)

Second one:
Hey (my name), I am in your area right now.

Third one:
Hi (my name), when and where can we hookup?

The reason I know porn sites have sold my info is my debit card has my legal first name and it's the name all the emails are sent to. I never use my legal first name. I go by my middle name. I hit spam on them, flag them, and they just keep coming in.

The really stupid part is it will have a woman's name. One is Lisa. The email address sending it is woodsjoseph484@gmail

One is listed as Jessica, the email address sending it is taylortrevor245@gmail

The other is Ann, the email address is butskinick236@gmail

Why my spam filter doesn't pick up the same email address I mark as spam doesn't make any sense at all. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-30-20  04:19am - 1637 days #7
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Originally Posted by elephant:


Really and did it include downloads?


I cleared my cookies and now it's giving me the Paypal/Epoch option even with promos and it's the Paypal/Epoch that accepts Visa and Mastercard. That I know of, Bang Bros never took their downloads away and they still include them. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-27-20  10:39am - 1640 days #4
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Originally Posted by zebulon27:


Thanks for your hints.

Not willing to contradict, but I would like to point out that I have been experimenting a bit with their interface and - as far as I can see - the billing processing URL is not impacted by using a promo or not.

One thing I would like to clarify though: in the past, some have reported that a simple mis-click on a video that belonged to an add-on channel was enough to start being charged for that add-on.
Could you please share your experience in this regard?


On the first part it could have to do with our locations, cookies, but if I go to Bang Bros with a promo it instantly takes me to their in-house billing page. It doesn't even take me to their preview page. It also could have to do with which promo you click. To see another site that does this try Met-Art. Most of their promos force you to echst.net billing, if you just go to Met-Art and pay full price you get CCBill. These sites with major discounts on promos use cheaper billing (their own or cheaper billers) to help make up the money they are losing on the promo.

Another tip on joining with Paypal/Epoch is to make sure you receive not only the confirmation email/receipt but to make sure it has your account details in it. Some sites using Paypal/Epoch are not connecting properly. You will receive an email receipt from Paypal but you won't have a login (sites that send automatically generated logins). Which not only means you can't sign in, you also can't look your account up on Epoch to cancel. If you run into that situation send an email to Paypal and they will fix it. It's still a hassle.

The last part you're mentioning was years ago. Bang Bros only advertises one scene from their other sites on each page of the main Bang Bros site. Used to, they had half the page filled with ads to their other sites. Those advertised scenes now have a red lock icon on it telling you it's not included. If you click it, it then requires you to agree that you want the upgrade site. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-26-20  08:27pm - 1640 days #2
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This is how it's working:
If you join Bang Bros at their regular price of $29.95 without using any promos they give you the option to sign-up with Paypal/Epoch. I haven't tried it. Some of the sites that use Paypal/Epoch will only let you sign up with a Mastercard. I only have Visa. But that is how you get the Paypal/Epoch option. Use no promos.

If you use a promo of any kind it sends you to their in-house billing. I have joined it twice recently with the in-house billing and had zero problems.

They have very clear cancel links you just have to be sure and cancel everything. When I say everything I mean if you had added on any upgrades. For example: If you joined Bang Bros and added on Dancing Bear. When you go to cancel there will be Bang Bros on one line, Dancing Bear below it. You have to cancel both or they will continue to charge you for the one you didn't cancel.

They have changed their upgrade system to a worse system. Used to, they had 3 upgrade packages and each came with 10-20 sites for $19.95 each. Now, there are no packages. Every single upgrade site has to be joined separately and everyone of them are $19.95 each. Some of those have less than 20 scenes.

But as far as joining the basic Bang Bros Network, I had no problems at all. If you have joined Kink Network or Videobox, the cancellation works almost identical to those sites. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-25-20  09:04am - 1642 days #2
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Is it possible those were before the models were tattooed? I also don't mind tattoos and know that at least one of their models doesn't have her large tattoo airbrushed off, look up Jynx/Jinx Maze on ITC. Her tattoo is shown.

I think I'm so used to the tattoos that I don't even notice when they're not there. They have had some really good scenes so far this year. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-10-20  12:53am - 1657 days #14
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Originally Posted by badandy400:


In my view, 100 means no other site does it better. There is always going to be a top scorer and they should get the top score. Why have 100 if people think it shouldnt be used? 100 should come with a detailed explanation and should be very exclusive. We all know every service can do something better. Giving a 100 score does not mean there is not room for improvement.

Wow it has been a while since I have been on here!


Holy shit, badandy400, where in the world have you been? You've been missing longer than a MILF's virginity! What are you a tenth of the way through your collection?

Good to see you. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-06-20  07:49pm - 1660 days #6
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I think but am not positive that TBP/PU stopped doing business with them when the whole DDF converting to Porn World part happened. Their (Legal Porn) representative wasn't very upfront or honest about the changes. He also had told me there would be no differences in DDF's content once moved to Porn World, but there are several major differences. You can see the thread on this forum about refunds for DDF/Porn World. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

06-02-20  10:44am - 1665 days #24
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Originally Posted by Kody:


The fact that it's not very clear how to earn tickets is already a sign that something's off indeed. At least some transparency on what could increase your chances to win is a basic


There also was at least one scoring part changed without any notice of it. It was done by editing the post. It originally said sites with zero active reviews would receive 2 bonus tickets. About a month later, it changed to 1. This can also be seen in the thread about the sites that will get new reviews for specific sites an extra ticket. I asked if we were doing away with the bonus point for it being the only active review since I had noticed it changed before. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-29-20  09:02pm - 1668 days #17
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But, what Tree Rodent is talking about is not that, it is that I have no review points to get me out of newbie status. He sent me the trust vote that he mentions.
I now have eight trust votes, 17 reviews but will be a newbie forever.


No one does though. They're not just keeping reviewer points from you. They're keeping them from everyone. While it's not really fair it's still being done to everyone so it's hard to complain about that. What was done to Alybator hasn't been done to anyone except her. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-29-20  08:37pm - 1668 days #15
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Originally Posted by Tree Rodent:


I've seen critical things said on the forum in the past couple of years, but not quite sure what the complaints are about. Some old members do not seem happy, and it appears to be raffle oriented. I was never one who worried about the raffle and on the odd occasion I won, it was a pleasant surprise, but not the reason I did reviews.

I always tried to do great reviews, but looking back on them they are just about okay. I tried to inform, have a gripe over the negatives and also focus on some positives. That's about it. I took quite a long time over them and they turned out okay. I did that for a while, and was happy to put in the time as a little hobby, but didn't want to spend too much time when there were other things to do.

I have never been one of the in crowd here but enjoyed regular visits for several years. I still visit occasionally, the atmosphere is different, but not sure why. Obviously there is some sort of dissatisfaction with the new regime. It's inevitable in a way I suppose, but I did like the Khan and Rick way of doing things. It's not that I dislike the way it's run now, but I see some old hands unhappy with what's happening. Slightly puzzled.

After writing the above I've just had a look at Homegirls' reviews and from the way I understand, it she should definitely have some points for those. I've sent a trust vote for what it's worth.

Now it looks like the points thing was scrapped? I'm more confused. Admin isn't around very much, resulting in little feedback. There should be a continual presence here if they are taking it seriously, so maybe PU is fading away.


I think with me it was one too many pulls on my chain. The problem wasn't towards homegirl. It was member Alybator.

The current raffle says one review receives 5 tickets.
Every 5 replies receives 1 ticket.
Every review of a site that has 0 active reviews receives 1 bonus ticket.

She had 5 reviews, 4 were ones with 0 active reviews and she had 6 replies.

It's easy to see that's 30 tickets. 5x5 = 25, plus 4 for reviews of sites with no active reviews and 1 for the replies. She instead was credited with 18. She posted a non-aggressive or negative post asking why her tickets were 18 instead of 30. The staff won't even respond to it or explain why they didn't give her the tickets.

The last time Alybator posted in the forum (months ago), her post was made fun of by a staff member. So, of course, she's not going to come here and complain any further about the tickets they didn't give her. Some of the rest of us are doing it for her. She's been a very good member with some of the best reviews we have had. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-29-20  08:17am - 1669 days #3
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I think 100 can be a legit score.
And RearAdmiral makes a point that has stopped me from giving a 100. I know if I give 100 it will be just because it's a site I think is as close to perfect as possible. It wouldn't or might not be for others. I can even give an example and I would feel obliged to explain it if I did give it a 100.

FTV Girls: If I was going to go 100 it would be FTV. If Zishy starts working a little more nudity in, Zishy would be close to 100 too.

But on FTV Girls, I have had a minimum subscription to FTV for 9 months out of each of the last 5 years. That's my reasoning for 100. Most sites that I really like, I join once or twice per year. FTV just has something that I never get bored with and if I don't have an active membership with them, I'm on their site once a week to see the new models.

One that I nearly scored a 100 after having a membership for 5 months is Japan HDV. The first month, I didn't even realize it had other sites with it. The other sites, while not quite as good as Japan HDV itself, are all very good sites.

One that I think could score a 100 if the right person was reviewing it is zenra.net. It's a Japanese DVD site that not only has subtitles but also offers exclusive DVDs (very rare in Japanese porn) but their business model would stop me from going 100. I don't know how many members have looked at it.

The standard membership is $39.95 per month. It has a 25GB daily download limit. You also do not get downloading access to their exclusive videos. You can only stream them. They also count the streaming towards your daily download limit.

To get access to download their exclusive videos (the best ones), you have to either stay a recurring member for 3 months at $39.95 per month or you have to join for 3 months for $99.95. Even then, the downloading access to their exclusive videos isn't automatically granted. You have to send them an email and ask for VIP access. You still also have a 25GB daily download limit. Some of the exclusive DVDs are so unique and weird you'll never see another like it but that pricing plan and download limit is hard to look over.

Last two, I think DDF Network before they screwed it up was very close to 100. That is a legitimate network with more than 10 sites that are still updating and all 10+ sites were once $30 each. The other is Kink's Network. I had spent hundreds, maybe thousands even on 4-5 or their sites before they became a network. To get them all in one package could be a 100 for me.

The thing you see there is I'm factoring value in. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-28-20  06:21pm - 1669 days #9
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Originally Posted by standard:


I suspect there are a lot who never even noticed and who couldn't care less if they had. Not that they don't care that this happened to an individual, but that it is happening as a whole.


I can't say but am fairly confident it hasn't happened on the scale it happened to Alybator. I have been shorted 1 or 2 tickets in the previous raffles and it's why I have asked if the scoring has changed. Someone not being credited for full reviews is something I haven't seen before this and it wasn't just one but two. Every week someone posts asking why they haven't been credited for their reviews then Tom replies and says he hasn't counted them yet. When Alybator posted it he completely ignored it.

Originally Posted by standard:


I haven't written a review in over a year, and I suspect the only reason I'll write one now would be motivated by the same reasons that had me writing them before the (previously actually winnable) raffle returned, which was a willingness to help others avoid a particular site because I would've appreciated the warning before I'd joined.


That goes into something rarely talked about here. Some members here, I am one of them, were brought here in 2007 to help the site get going. I knew Khan before PU and he knew I like to write to work on my sequential dyslexia problems. Especially being a dyslexic professional that communicates 95% of my work verbally, which I have no problems with. Everyone has their own reasons for reviewing. I also have over 700 reviews on Amazon if that shows what I mean.

Originally Posted by standard:


These days I'm mostly only coming around now to watch the trainwreck, and it has not disappointed so far.


This is the part the current staff doesn't understand. I'm not here to watch the trainwreck or failure. Khan was a personal friend of mine and he spent his last years making PU into one of the most productive and civil online communities. I even worked with Freddie on bringing ex-members back last year but most of them left and more have left. That is and has been part of motivation to try and help out over the last few years. I have been trying to help PU at least return to some of the glory it had when Rick (original owner) was keeping his nose out of the community and Khan had it running it smoothly and efficiently. The current staff doesn't seem to want that help.

This is mostly just showing we all have different motivation here or lack of motivation. If I could help the current staff fix things I would and I could, as Freddie could attest to (15 ex-members returned from December 2018 to February 2019). But the current staff doesn't, in my mind, want to make this work or they would lower their egos a little and realize they are here to make the site more productive not to try and alienate, frustrate and anger the members ... unless that is their goal. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-27-20  12:09am - 1671 days #5
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Originally Posted by Homegirl:


Exotics, what are you referring to in Tom telling you how things are going to be?


He has said he's not considering changes to the raffle and if anyone says anything negative he won't reply.

That's the same as saying you're going to do it his way and if you complain you will be ignored.

He tried to come in with too much of a hard-ass approach. I would even say a disrespectful approach to say he's not replying to what he judges "negative" responses.

My whole point above was the missing tickets for Alybator wasn't negative and he didn't even reply to that. No explanation, no leadership, does it now mean if he wants to not count one of our reviews he doesn't have to? If there was a reason he didn't count them then the members need to know so not to make the same mistake. But no explanation. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

05-26-20  11:36pm - 1671 days #6
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I think the points were stopped because of all the sway-shill activity. If a member doesn't get to 5 points their scores do not count on the reviewed site's average score. In the early days of PU, we had major problems with straight shills.

Straight shills just review the site they are shilling for and give it a very high score.

Sway-shills review the site they are shilling with a very good but not outrageously high score (91-94). They then review the main competitors of the site they are shilling for. They keep the scores relatively high (so not to be obvious) but below the site they are shilling. They also do it in groups of at least 4. This is to keep their shilled site's average from being dropped too much by another member. Below is an example:

Four Sway-Shill reviewers review the top competitor of the site they are shilling an 88, 89, 90 and 87. All are good scores. The average is an 88.5.

They review the site they are shilling for a 90, 91, 94 and 92. Not a huge difference from the competitor's site but this shilled site now has an 91.7 average.

If someone comes along and reviews their shilled site's top competitor a 95, it will only raise the top competitor's average to an 89.8 and keeps it below their shilled site, even if someone rated their top competitor's site a 99 it would only raise the average to 90.8 which is still below their shilled site's average.

Two of the sway-shills operating here are two of the better ones I've seen, most likely professional technical writers, but one of them has a bad temper. When I scored their shilled site a 75, he immediately posted a review of a competitor's site and named me by name in it saying I must have "guessed" at the number of videos on the site. Was it just coincidence it was his first review since my 75 review of the site he was shilling? It's very uncommon for a reviewer to name another reviewer negatively in a review of a porn site. While saying I must have guessed isn't blatantly obvious as an insult it could be used to discredit me and my reviews. Since I am familiar with sway-shills and knew he was one, I replied to his review and showed multiple mistakes in his review. Sway-shills rarely join the sites they review. They have someone that feeds them the information to post and it was outdated. Needless to say, he's not been seen since.

You can see that here:
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05-25-20  08:59pm - 1672 days #2
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I will give you my honest opinion.
The members here changed years ago. There's no way the members here would have let this slide without replying. They have turned into pussies that do what Tom says. Even though it can be seen that Tom didn't give Alybator her points. I won't do what Tom says. His raffle has been screwing me since it started. I've had 200+ tickets (50+ more than anyone else) and won $75 or 33 cents per ticket is how I had it figured. Alybator is a colleague of mine and it was Freddie that asked me to bring Alybator here and KayTBuffs too. Aly has the past with the staff that you mentioned. The very first post she made a staff member made fun of her post. KayTBuffs has had multiple members speak condescendingly to her about knowledge of porn. But when Tom does something wrong the pussies won't stand up for another member but they will damn sure jump in and talk down to a female reviewer when they think she did something wrong.

I'm on here censoring myself just so it doesn't upset anyone. But I stand by what I said above. And if Tom doesn't like it, he can ban me. I won't disable my account. If anyone else doesn't like it they can explain why members are quick to jump on reviewers and their mistakes, but won't say anything when the staff makes a mistake and doesn't fix it.

And Tom, please refrain from typing in all caps and telling me how things are going to be. If not for me (2007-2009), Porn Users wouldn't be here today. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on May 25, 2020, 09:08pm

05-22-20  04:35am - 1676 days #30
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Originally Posted by elephant:


Just wondered if anyone has had a recent issue with verotel, I've never used them and I see they were trusted 2017 but unsure if they are still.


I have used them several times recently. They are the biller on a lot of the Asian sites and have had no problems with them at all. I've also noticed they are more likely to offer you a discounted price to stay when you go to cancel than the other billers are. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-21-20  09:02am - 1707 days #4
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I have mostly changed the sites I regularly join except FTV and Zishy. FTV hasn't slowed their updates at all and are still releasing faster than they used to (was weekly), they average a new update every 5-6 days now. Zishy continues to show his forward-thinking. He started a promotion where the models take pictures of themselves while quarantined and it's going over very well with the members. He's had 25 contestants enter over the last 10 days and uploaded all of them. On that note, he hasn't had an update in 2 days since the last of those quarantined contestants.

Most everything else I've been joining are either new(er) sites or Asian sites. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-20-20  10:27am - 1708 days #2
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Hey Tom,

I have a membership to one of these sites. I'm curious about the 6 entries part. Since the one I have a subscription to doesn't have any reviews will it get 7 total? Five for the review, 1 bonus for being on this list and 1 more bonus for not having any reviews on it? Or are we going away from the bonus for any site with no reviews? My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-16-20  09:48pm - 1711 days #3
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I'll add to this what I currently know. Part of my job is working within a mid-major university's athletic department. Currently, we are planning on having fanless football games in the fall.

The current procedure would be that only players, coaches, officials and announcers would be allowed in the stadium. Each one would have to have a negative Coronavirus test the day before the game.

What college and pro teams won't tell is it will be more profitable than with fans.

Local television networks are bidding for rights to broadcast. Advertisers are lining up. Double sponsorship will be allowed with each sponsor getting their name/slogan across the top of the screen and across the bottom of the screen. There will be around 700 salaried and insurance paid workers that won't be working from vendors to cleaners to ushers to security.

The highest cost for us will be hiring a remote producer. Their job will be to control the drone held cameras and to play recorded music by the marching band, recorded crowd chants and simulated crowd noise from a remote location. The stadium's seats will be covered by tarps with advertisers logos on them.

I would imagine this will be a dream scenario for professional teams. Nearly no overhead and they'll be able to sell "season passes" for relatively cheap prices for their fans to watch all their games on television or across a streaming device. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-06-20  02:24am - 1722 days #2
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I've seen some Bruno B scenes on Pegas Productions site. I was into his content years ago and was surprised to see him on Pegas. You can also get a sampling of Pegas at Adult Time, including, I believe, some of Bruno's scenes. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-01-20  11:10pm - 1726 days #2
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I watched a few of them. It was my favorite as a kid.
Amazon's shipping policies right now are a little unfair. I went to order some beard butter to keep my beard moisturized since I'm stuck inside most of the time right now. They said it wasn't a necessity and I would receive it around April 24th, even as a prime member.

Just a few minutes later my fiance asked me to see if they had her preferred hair spray, they did and it would be delivered in two days.

I at least found the beard butter from the manufacture's website and they had 7 day delivery. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

04-01-20  10:32pm - 1726 days #14
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What I never understood about the comments is the sites they post the comments on don't claim to be bareback or condom-less. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

03-05-20  10:07pm - 1753 days #3
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Hey Tom,

If you look before Bubba's comment, myself and another member had a discussion about this rebranding.

It all started with an email in early January 2020 that said, "Dear user,
DDF Network is moving to PornWorld, for DDF Member access, please use the following information:
https://pornworld.com

I went there, signed in with my DDF login and it redirected me to Porn Box. I cursed it for about 10 minutes. The email came from Legal Porn Support. Legal Porn is a pay per video site. And this Porn Box site looked a lot like Legal Porn. It even had an area to add more credits. I noticed an area that said, "owned scenes" and it listed 8,500 or so. These were DDF scenes with zero navigation, no model list, no way to sort the 8,500 scenes. I cursed it some more.

That was nearly 2 months ago. My membership doesn't run out until June 2020. I went back to DDF Network (dot com) and signed in. Everything worked like always. If I sign in now to DDF Network (dot com) it still works. These are the changes:

The scenes used to be listed with the site they're from under the scene. For example, Hands on Hardcore, Hot Legs and Feet, House of Taboo. Now it just has a generic category under the scenes like Extreme Hardcore, Foot Fetish, Blowjobs. The little DDF logo in the upper left hand of the screen now says, "Porn World". If you click "Videos" that's right beside the Porn World logo and select "Latest Videos" it takes you away from that Porn World index page and there you have tags, websites to search from. If you click websites, a box pops up for you type into, when you click the box all the old DDF sites show up in a dropdown menu.

And the total scenes are just under 16,000.

For whatever reason, they have a huge "browse DDF on Porn Box" banner on DDF Network. Why would you? It only has about half of the DDF scenes on it and has no navigation. As a longtime fan of DDF, my third review on PU way back in 2007 was of the DDF flagship site 1 By Day, I can say if they just change the name and watermark but keep the DDF navigation, it will be fine.

If they force Porn World over to Porn Box it will be a disaster. Used to, several of us members would help the sites with testing out navigation. DDF's staff has poured hundreds of hours into making that network very easy to navigate. I told the other member in the comment before Bubba's, if they move DDF/Porn World to Porn Box they will lose me as a customer and supporter.

It just seems like a wait and see approach at this time. If I had to compare the navigation between Porn Box and Porn World/DDF it would be like comparing the best navigation you've used on a paysite to using the navigation on a 3rd rate tube site. With 16,000 scenes and nearly 3,000 models, there's no way that network can be successful on a site like Porn Box.

Not to go too deep into this but Tainster, formerly ErroMaxx, sold to Sinx last year and they have completely ruined it. It's the same type of setup as Porn Box. Putting a network that someone joins with a monthly subscription in the middle of a huge pay per video site just does not work. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

03-05-20  06:52am - 1754 days #11
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


I should add that I don't recall having any issues cancelling my BB membership at the time. Though I do remember having to specifically go in and cancel each additional site. My primary beef with them is how they dangle what looks like an offer for an add-on and by merely clicking on it for more information you're already signed up.



They've changed that part too. You now go to a hub that shows what all sites you have access to. Say you just have Bang Bros. You click it and in the main screen it shows the newest scenes, most popular scenes and I think being viewed now scenes. None of the scenes include scenes from their other sites. Over on the right margin they have recommended scenes and the very first one is a locked scene from one of their add-on sites. If you click it, it tells how much it's going to cost to add it and you can back out. My feeling was very positive about the changes they've made. Not to mention, when comparing them to Reality King and Brazzers, Bang Bros still allows unlimited downloads up to 1080p for no extra charge. They do charge more for 4K scenes. They're also still updating. The screenshot I have of their member area shows 15 updates between January 17 and January 28, including two that talked me into joining featuring Vina Sky.

The other part is they now offer Paypal/Epoch as a payment option but it doesn't work with Visa. The card has to be either Mastercard or Discover I believe. It just felt like they had made a lot of positive changes except for charging $19.95 for each add-on site. Some of those sites have less than 20 scenes. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

03-04-20  04:25am - 1755 days #9
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Originally Posted by Tom D Admin:



BangBrosNetwork.com - After multiple customer complaints about cancelation issues, which they seemed unable to fix, we are unlikely to list them again.



Bang Bros just has developed a bad reputation in the past and are easy for people to bash. Here's their cancellation process. I even have screenshots if needed:

#1 Clear cancel membership link in the main hub and on site pages.
#2 Click it and it asks if you want to cancel or if you need support.
#3 Click cancel and it opens a screen with your various accounts with Bang Bros (Bang Bros, Dancing Bear, etc).
#4 Cancel each one. That's it.

It's the same cancellation system Videobox uses with their site and their add-on channels. It's user error since some think cancelling Bang Bros cancels the other upgrades they've added. It's also not much different than canceling on Met-Art when you have multiple Met-Art sites and have to cancel each.

My disappointment with Bang Bros is they have changed how their upgrades work. Used to you could get a whole package of bonus sites for $19.95 more. Now, you have to pay $19.95 for EACH bonus site but they are very clear about it.

On the flipside, I went to cancel an XEmpire membership and was forced into a chat. From there I received 4 upsell offers of other Gamma sites and it took around 20 minutes. The rep clearly frustrated that I wouldn't take any of the upsell offers said he/she would cancel my XEmpire membership. The next month, I was charged for it. I sent them an email and their response, "Do you have a cancellation email as proof?" Hell no, the rep didn't send it. Screwed out of $30.

The Fetish Network, Wraith posted a comment about it recently has a broken cancel page. You have to send them an email. They try to upsell you to their premium version of their site. They do not tell you the account was cancelled either. Since I had got burnt on the XEmpire one I sent Fetish Network an email and told them my name here and told them I was going to give them a high review but since they hadn't even been courteous enough to send me a cancel confirmation, I was going to lower the score. They sent me a cancellation confirmation within 20 minutes.

Mylf, a Team Skeet network and I'm a huge fan of Team Skeet content. I went to cancel on their easy to cancel page and it said no account was found. I was signed into the damn account. Had to send them an email. Here's my email to them and their reply email.

Mine:
"Hello,

I’m trying to cancel my membership to Mylf.com and the automated service said there’s no account showing up. My email address is (Removed), my username is (Removed), my password is (Removed).

This is my subscription ID: (Removed)


I tried to cancel it through Rocket Gate’s site, but couldn’t find anyway to cancel. I’m a satisfied customer. I just don’t usually stay on a site for more than one month at a time. Any help canceling this account would be appreciated."

Their reply:
"Thanks for reaching out to us. This is Keira with MYLF Support.

I am sorry for the confusion. I have gone ahead and cancel your MYLF membership so you're not charged again.

Because we value your business, as a gift, I’m willing to offer a different channel, BFFs at a discounted monthly rate of $14.87 USD.

Just click the link to visit the signup page to create an account so you can enjoy FULL ACCESS and UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD to more exclusive scenes."

So, they used the exact same information I used, username, email and found my account. The one I couldn't find? And just happened to cause me to have to email them and offered me a different site?

My point being, if people are having trouble canceling Bang Bros it's a user error/not paying attention. These other sites are making it either a pain in the ass to cancel or requiring threats. There's a big difference in user error and sites using shady practices.

The Mind Geek sites also are randomly forcing chats to cancel, especially Mofos, their chat cancel is the most frustrating I've used. They put you on hold for 5-10 minutes. To the point the chat application says, "Due to inactivity this chat application is going to close in 60 seconds." So, I send them a message, "Are you there?" to create activity. They reply immediately, "Yes, I am sorry, I will set the application not to disconnect." And they always find you a special, one-time offer only promo, that's what they spent all the time on like they have a physical box of promos they had to dig through to find you a special promo. When you decline it, they put you on hold again. Takes 20-40 minutes to cancel. That's shady business practice. They're trying to delay you, take up your time, in hopes that you will just give up.

Last on this, I contacted Bang Bros after canceling on 1/30/2020 and told them I canceled because I always joined their site to add the upgrade packages. Since they have went to charging for each upgrade site, I'm just not interested in paying that much. You know what they did? They gave me a refund. See the join email below and the refund. I didn't even ask for the refund.

Join:
support@bangbros.com
Sun 1/19/2020 10:32 PM
This is an Automated Response. Do Not Reply. Your membership data is provided
below for reference.

Refund:
support@bangbros.com
Thu 1/30/2020 11:58 AM
This email is a confirmation that your refund has successfully processed for bangbros.com in
the amount of -14.95. Please allow 7-10 business days for the refund to credit to your account (Removed)

It's easy to continually beat up on the "bad guys" since there's been many problems in the past with Bang Bros but you can see just a small sampling of my recent experiences above. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

02-24-20  09:41pm - 1763 days #5
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Originally Posted by pinkerton:


I see there's an overall score next to my nickname but can I see what points were awarded per review?


There's an easier, lesser-known way. Click on your name at the top of the screen where it says "You are logged in as:"

Once in there scan down the right side until you see "pinkerton's activity" click that.

Now look for the word "Approved". It's near the top with a bunch of other words like Reviews, Comments, Replies, etc.

Click Approved and it will show all of your approved reviews. Under the end of each review it will tell the grade/score for that review, like "excellent", "good".

Seems like Khan showed us that trick around 2010. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

02-11-20  05:25am - 1777 days #2
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He's LKLK now.
I thought he should have changed his name like Prince did to "The reviewer formerly known as lk2fireone" My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

01-28-20  06:40pm - 1790 days #100
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Is there a mistake on Bang Bros listing or were they delisted? The network page on here says invalid site, no longer active but I'm a member on it right now and they have a new update everyday.

Just checking since it usually says we're not doing business with them anymore if it's delisted. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

01-20-20  12:34am - 1799 days #91
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Here's a newer one that looks very interesting in concept.
Lust Week

Seems to have a lot of exhibitionism, softcore, hardcore and focuses on one model for a whole week with 10 updates per week. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

12-04-19  11:38pm - 1845 days #3
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I would wonder if a site like Clips4Sale would have this type of content on it? My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-25-19  10:43pm - 1854 days #3
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Originally Posted by LKLK:


Rabbits Reviews current discounts.

One of the discounts is $7.99 for 1 month of Adult Time.

Since I am a current member of Adult Time, when I click on the offer, I open a member's page of Adult Time.

So I can't tell what the details of the $7.99 offer includes.
But if you aren't a current member of Adult Time, $7.99 seems like a cheap price to give you 30 days access to what I think is a great site.
To see if you think it's worth joining for a longer term.

I don't know if the offer includes downloading.
But you can check with the Adult Time support, if you are unable to see the details of what the 30 day membership includes.

Disclaimer: I'm not an employee of Adult Time or any porn site.

Adult Time is also offering a $5.00/month membership that is streaming only.
I've seen that offer numerous times lately.
If downloading is not important to you.


The $7.95 is streaming only too. It's $14.95 for downloads and streaming. I was going to join it yesterday when the deals were first posted. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-24-19  11:10pm - 1855 days #11
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Originally Posted by Loki:


I just spent an hour writing a review for PU and when I went to submit it, I was logged out. I lost an hour's worth of work and my chance to enter the raffle because of this. It's very frustrating.

Has anyone else experienced this, or am I the sole lucky recipient?


Happened to me last week and has probably happened 5 or more times over the last two years. The worst part is I know how to avoid it and it still happened to me.

This is how to avoid it. Once you finish typing your review, before hitting submit, go up to your screenname at the top of the page (where your replies are) and scroll button click it to open your profile in a new tab. If your session has timed out it will require you to sign back in there. You can then go back to the tab with your review and submit it with no concerns. I would say I remember to do it 99% of the time but there's always that one time where it clears my review. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-20-19  07:29am - 1860 days #4
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Originally Posted by FreddieAdmin:


Guys, it was a mistake. Why blame something that can be chalked off as just a mistake to maliciousness? You're not being targeted, in fact no one is being targeted on this site. In fact, I went back and approved the review and even gave it an Excellent rating. It was just a mistake and sometimes those happen, even to moderators at PornUsers.

If anyone has an issue, I'd prefer you email me and talk to me personally. Like I have said countless of times, my email is always open so please email me.

The criterias of the reviews aren't changing. I think I've been pretty clear about that on the thread, so no need to worry.


Freddie, you can delete the thread. Thank you for the explanation. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

11-20-19  04:28am - 1860 days Original Post - #1
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I will try to keep this as short and to the point as possible. I ask that it not be deleted. I will be civil in it. I will make a copy of it so if it is deleted, I can send it to the members that I have email addresses for.

On Tuesday, I had a review denied. The main explanation was it should have been a comment. It said my review didn't meet the minimum review criteria. And it focused on this, "The primary issue of your REVIEW was a technical problem. We're trying to keep reviews focused on the actual site, not any techinical issue(s) that might be fixed later."

My review was of Thai Swinger. It had 7 pros, 2 cons and around 900 words in the bottom line. I rated it a 90. One of the cons was about the site loading slow. The others which I should have listed separately were no photos and no model list or names. The only review criteria is the one listed in the $200 Tuesdays section. It says for an excellent review there needs to be 8 pros/cons and 250 words in the bottom line. Even if you remove the one about the technical problem, I still had 8 pros/cons and 900 words in the bottom line.

Why would that be posted as a comment? I mentioned the slow loading and said it doesn't hurt the download speeds.

So, 8 pros/cons, 900 words in bottom line, how is that not an excellent review? That's question #1.

When did technical problems stop being cons? You don't think it's important that a reader should know if me and my high-powered PC with a gigabyte internet connection is having trouble loading the site? And if that logic is true, should any cons count? Anything can be fixed in the future. That's the point of a review. To gauge the site as it is at that current time.

I feel like I'm being targeted.

A few weeks ago, Freddie posted a thread asking for feedback and I gave my fair feedback. She replied in a full rant that had nothing to do with what I said. To show my personality, I gave her an easy out by saying I think the staff has got so used to being defensive and I understand why. She apologized and later sent me an email apologizing. The only part that frustrated me about that incident was I asked a simple question about what the minimum criteria was. That wasn't answered. I asked it again, it wasn't answered. I think mbaya asked it, it wasn't answered, but now I'm getting a denied review for not reaching the minimum criteria?

My review was just like the nearly 400 previous ones I've posted. I have a copy I can post it here. That section on the site being slow to load had these parts about it:
"My biggest problem with the site is it's slow. The downloads are not slow, it just seems like I click on something and have time to write a review before it opens. It's not that bad but it could be faster."

That's 41 words out of 957, so 4.2% of the review was about the technical problem.

I'm not mad. Disgusted is the better word. I tried to think of any of other reasons. I'm just being honest. I don't believe that 4.2% was enough to deny a review that still met the excellent criteria. A friend of mine sent me a text around midnight that said, "What site did you say they rejected your review for?" I told her. She replied back and told me to check Rabbit's site. There's a review of Thai Swinger just posted 2 days ago, rating it a 70.

I'm not intimidated by anyone on here. Is that how it is now? I don't visit Rabbit's unless I'm looking for a promo. That just seems like a strange coincidence. Especially with the completely illogical reasoning behind denying my review. If that is how it's going to be, members need to know. I paid good money for that site because it hadn't been reviewed here or on TBP.

Spin me a better logical twist on why my review was denied and I ask that any staff reply stays on course and doesn't turn into another rant like Freddie did to me on the review requirement thread. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-30-19  10:02am - 1881 days #14
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


You have no idea the depths of depravity I'd explore for $8K in one night! Then again, I have some nagging doubts that people would pay me that kind of money. I don't think I've got the look they're looking for...

Then again, I think exotic's story probably demonstrates why cam sites have become so popular.


The full story shows it even more.
She was never nude for the first 11 months. She teased. She went down to bra and panties. The pink toy wasn't introduced until her 12th month. She used it with panties on until the last day.

She made nearly $100,000 for the year. She did have some advantages. She is a trained ballet dancer that would do splits in her panties and she was not a native English speaker but spoke English to her viewers instead of typing. Her agent developed her as a "model" for the prototypical tease Chaturbate model. The men and women loved her accent. They loved her humility when she would use a wrong word and they saw her as very down to earth.

When my friend told me she made nearly $100,000 for one year, she was saying it with the thought I was going to be judgmental of her. And I was. I said, "And you quit? If someone would pay me $100,000 a year to sit around teasing them on a webcam, I would be on there two, three times a day!" My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-29-19  05:17am - 1882 days #6
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


I'm wondering if there was some law passed that says every webcam model has to have the same pink toy hanging out of her cooch. Or is it just a case of "I'm cutting edge and unique - just like everybody else"?


It's all about the money, RB. I have a friend that was a Chaturbate model for a year. When that pink vibrator, the Lush or Luvense, was released and started being used it became a way to make the viewers competitive. The more they tip, the faster and longer it vibrates. They all want to be the one that makes her orgasm. The friend I mentioned above once made $8,000 in a night. She had never had a live orgasm on cam and told her members she was going to let it happen. She had been stopping for water breaks when she felt near orgasm. She had viewers tipping 1,000+ tokens at a time or equal to $100 at a time. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-23-19  02:33am - 1888 days #9
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The newest level of dirty tricks is coming to porn sites. I told the webmaster that explained it to me he would be seen as a good guy for telling this but he told me he would get in trouble for telling it.

I joined a relatively well-known site last week. During the sign-up process, a picture was showing and said, "Includes free access to (site name)". With so many sites merging and Adult Time buying up half the industry, I didn't think anything of it. Two days later, I got charged $39.95. It's an American site and their address and phone number are listed on their website.

I called them up. I asked what the charge was for. He asked if I read my welcome email. I told him "probably not". In the welcome email it said, "Free access to (site's name) is for 2 days, $39.95/mo thereafter, if not canceled."

I told him what a dirty piece of shit he is. The guy was apologizing constantly. He said they hired a new marketing company and they had put this new style of cross-sale in. He said I was the 17th person to email or call that day. It had a 95% success rate because people don't read their welcome email. Even worse, it's at the bottom of the welcome email, requiring at least one scroll. I told him my name here. He said he read a review by me of one of their sites last year and really appreciated it. He refunded the $39.95, the price of the site and gave me a free month of access. He told me they were going to remove this new cross-sale and just go back to a standard pre-checked cross-sale.

He even gave me the name of the marketing company. He sounded completely distraught over it. He said he had given every person that was charged it, full refunds and a free month like he did me. I told him members here would be impressed by that. I even went and started a new registration and they have changed it back to just a clear pre-checked cross-sale.

He told me the biggest reason he didn't want me listing it and telling about him telling me how it works is "lots of other sites" are going to be trying it. He feared the backlash within the industry.

So, read your welcome emails all the way to the bottom. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-17-19  12:46am - 1894 days #147
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Thanks Freddie and PU, it's my birthday week and there's a story with the 4 reviews. Many years ago, when us PU members were thinking we would never reach 300 points, I made a goal to reach 500. As a huge baseball fan, the 500 number is the number of home runs a player needs to hit to make the Hall of Fame, unless they used steroids. When I reached 500, I raised my goal to 660, the same amount of home runs Willie Mays hit. Once there I wanted to pass Babe Ruth's homerun number of 714 just like Hank Aaron did. Once I made it to 715, I told a few members I was going to go for Hank Aaron's all-time leading home run total of 755. You can see my number after these 4 reviews. The only ones ahead of me now are Barry Bonds at 762, but he took steroids. Sadaharu Oh, known as the Japanese Babe Ruth, hit 862. I'm sure I can pass Bonds, not for sure about Oh.

But that's why there were 4. I had a little anxiousness about reaching a goal I've been working on for 13 years. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-03-19  11:44pm - 1907 days #13
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Originally Posted by FreddieAdmin:



Secondly, regarding the Alybator review and not receiving $0, I would like to reiterate once again, that the winners are chosen by a random choice selector. I put the names of the people who reviewed in the week and put it in a random choice selector. Additionally, because the pool is so small of reviews, I have to also take into account the frequency of people winning. No one can win three weeks in a row - that's unfair. Everyone has a fair chance to win the raffle.


Freddie, I'm afraid that you all are so used to being defensive that you completely misunderstood my post. The part quoted above sounds like a computer-generated reply. I didn't question the validity, the process of the raffle. I didn't question any of that.

I asked a simple question about if you all are not requiring the minimum criteria to be met to be approved and eligible for a raffle.

I used Alybator's review to show how unfair it is to let someone with a 52 word review win, while someone else put in nearly 20 times the effort and didn't win.

I'm showing you why ex-members won't come back or come back and stay and I'm showing you why you're going to lose more good members.

That network review debate/discussion has been going on for over 10 years. See here:
https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thread.html?threadid=433http://

I've never complained about the raffle. I've never caused problems on here and as you know, I have fixed quite a few problems on here.

I'll keep my mouth shut from now on. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

10-03-19  12:04am - 1908 days #9
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I'm going to chime in with something that I think is a big deal.

When you click on the $200 Tuesday ticket icon it tells what criteria is required for a review to be eligible. This past week's raffle showed this better than anything.

The requirement to receive a "good" (1 point) rating on your review is a minimum of 150 words in the bottom line.

The requirement to receive an "excellent" (2 point) rating on your review is a minimum of 250 words in the bottom line.

The $100 winner's review had 79 words in the bottom line.
One of the $50 winner's reviews had 52 words in the bottom line.

Based on the most basic criteria neither of those reviews should have been eligible. I can add another twist to it. Alybator's review of Abby Winters had 922 words in the bottom line. She won $0.

While I agree there are problems with reviews of network sites and the wording between a sampling of a site or a full version of the site, why is the most basic criteria being ignored?

That's how we lose good reviewers. They pour 922 words into a review's bottom line and lose to two half-assed, shitty reviews.

Those two winners combined didn't even meet the minimum word requirement for a bottom line.

The other part, network site reviews are helpful. Take 8th Street Latinas on Reality Kings, for example, it has been around for over 10 years and has over 800 scenes on it. How can you say that shouldn't be reviewed as a site?

Rear Admiral's point about Kink is maybe the best example. I reviewed the whole Kink network and I could have used another 15,000 characters.

Here's where I'm going with the reviews of what are "samplings" of a full site. You can go to Porn Hub and type a site name, say Reality Kings, and you can see 1,500 or so sample scenes 5-10 minutes each that they have uploaded for promotional use. If we start allowing reviews of sites that only have part of a site's full content, what is going to stop us from going to Porn Hub and doing what I just told about?

I'll end with Khan's reasoning for having criteria and rules about eligible reviews, "To set standards that are equal and fair to everyone and so people won't make up their own."

Which is what we are experiencing. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

08-20-19  09:11pm - 1951 days #4
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I don't feel right saying much about Rabbit's Reviews birthday, it is still in the jail bait age range.

In all honesty, it seems like Rabbit's and TBP have been around my whole life. Just think, when I first started using those sites, I was 22 or 23 and porn wasn't near as accessible. I've wondered the effect it will have on kids that are able to access porn at a much younger age, illegally by law, but we know it happens. The first time I searched the internet for porn was in 1996, I was 17 or 18. I know the year because I had a Gateway 1996 Olympics edition computer. If you found a porn site it was like playing a video game. There would be 20-30 pop-ads popping up from every direction. Of course, if someone walked in at the time you couldn't close it because the ads were in front of your browser window. Even worse when one of those ads was one with sound. The one thing I do miss from those days are the TGP sites. I can still remember one was called Elephant List. It had thousands of links to 10-20 picture photo sets, used for advertising purposes.

Elephant List is still a site. I guess I just stopped looking at it years ago. The ultimate porn viewer in those days was the video game system Sega Dreamcast. You could buy a browser on a disc. With the disc inserted instead of a game it connected to the internet (dial-up) and you used the much better than a mouse, Dreamcast controller's knobs to move your cursor around. I found it much more efficient than those old clunky PCs. Plus, it had a better graphics/video card than most PCs.

After about a month of having that brand new Gateway PC it would take 20 minutes to boot from all the spyware, viruses on it.

It almost seems like the more accessibility has removed the taboo from porn and made it less popular with the younger generations. Sorry about the nostalgic history lesson My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

08-16-19  11:51pm - 1955 days #4
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Originally Posted by theduekesdealer:


Yeah, it looks like they have been buying up a lot of other content from other sites. There is a lot of older European stuff on there etc.

If I sign up, i think it will be with prepaid credit cards, which I believe is the safest way of doing it?

Thanks for the info...


Post back the results if you try it. I might give it a try. I will post if I do. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

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