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| 04-08-17 08:43am - 2815 days | #9 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I would say generally awesome for photos taken of women who were willing topless or nude in public. | |
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| 01-02-17 06:08pm - 2911 days | #3 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I've definitely had things like this happen. One of the first sites I ever subscribed to--funwomen.com, long defunct--was definitely run by a woman I knew. I believe she may have also posed nude on her own site but am not 100% sure of that. Another site--also defunct--was a one woman site run by a woman who was definitely a friend of a friend, first name Alicia, and she definitely posed nude for money on her website. The site is long gone but I still have a couple of photos from her site. Another site--where I didn't initially know the woman's identity--was another mostly one woman site--although she sometimes had guest models besides herself. She was an undergraduate in computer science at her university and initially posed nude anonymously. However, at a certain point her male classmates discovered her site and she took her site down briefly while she figured out what to do. She decided to put the site back up even though her male classmates were now her website customers. She went on to a PhD program in computer science for awhile, continuing to pose nude for awhile, although the site is no longer available. I eventually figured out her real identity and am now friends with her on FB. She no longer poses nude but now runs a lingerie store and often models her own bras. Then there are the women who are outed posing topless or nude on one of the revenge porn sites. Although those sites may be rather ugly in nature, they do result in a situation where a woman's (or sometimes man's) nude body becomes available to be seen by those who know her. I know of a woman who was a PhD student in mathematics whose topless and nude photos were posted on one of those sites along with her real name. She apparently quickly paid the fee to remove her photos, but her photos were available elsewhere on the web, and seemingly some of her classmates knew about them. She seems to be doing very well in her career, though, despite or because of having posed nude. | |
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| 01-08-15 12:01am - 3636 days | #8 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I think in the scenario you mention it is taboo to talk about porn for the same reasons that any talk of sex is taboo in certain contexts. I'm not sure how specific it is to porn. If, for example, a couple had recently been on a cruise, they might talk a lot about their cruise at a family gathering. Such talk, however, probably wouldn't include a discussion of all the hot sex they did (or didn't) have on the cruise. I actually do think the stigma associated with porn has dropped a lot and will continue to drop. But something can lose its stigma and still be a private matter. I see sex remaining a private matter for the foreseeable future. It's like money in that respect. There's no stigma associated with having a job and earning money, but one usually doesn't discuss one's salary details openly in a large gathering. It's not stigmatized but it's private. | |
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| 06-02-14 02:16pm - 3856 days | #13 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
A lot of the videos and photos on that site do seem a little "too good" especially the long excellent quality videos of inordinately large breasted women. OTOH someone posting on a non-porn site (I prefer not to say where) claimed that two female friends of his, while on vacation, had had their photos taken topless completely without permission and ended up on that site. They were unsuccessful in getting the photos removed. They were topless by choice but never agreed to have their pics taken. So you can take that FWIW. | |
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| 05-25-14 08:47pm - 3864 days | #10 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
IMHO this is another reason why beach voyeur sites aren't particularly vulnerable to force of law. Most (women on those sites) don't care. There may be a few women whose photos are posted who are exceptions--and who raise a big stink about their photos being posted. These sites can always--reluctantly--remove the photos of the few women who do care without it significantly impacting their business model. By contrast, the "revenge porn" sites are a direct assault on the reputations of the women (and men) whose photos/videos are posted--and I assume that the vast majority of people "featured" on those sites do care very much. | |
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| 05-25-14 07:51pm - 3864 days | #9 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I don't see force of law changing things. Most of these photos were taken in Europe while the change in law referred to in this thread is a US law. The ability of the USA to influence how things are done in Europe is waning--for reasons that go well beyond issues involving porn. I mean, nude photos of Angela Merkel in her youth were posted on the Web fairly recently. If Europe were going to act via force of law to change things, I think that would have clearly been the opportunity. Yet Europe didn't act. I'm not saying that there won't be a cultural shift but I don't see the USA dictating legal terms to Europe regarding porn any time soon. | |
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| 05-25-14 02:41am - 3864 days | #7 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Where I think these "revenge porn" sites cross a line where the law needs to get involved is when they use someone's real name and/or real contact info. If you notice, with consenting porn sites, it is very unusual for someone to be using their real name--especially if the porn is at all explicit. It is almost always done under some kind of stage name. So if you violate that norm, I think you better be very clear that you have the model's permission in writing--or face very serious legal consequences. Edited on May 25, 2014, 03:25am (David19: correct minor typo) | |
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| 05-25-14 02:33am - 3864 days | #6 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I'm curious what you think of beach voyeur sites like ilovethebeach.com. Such sites feature photos of topless (and sometimes nude) women in public contexts like the beach. The women are topless by consent, but they haven't consented to be photographed and definitely not to have their photos used on a porn site. There is an implied sexualization of these photos--the women are being used as topless models on a porn site when that may not have been their intent. OTOH, unlike the so-called "revenge porn" sites, the beach voyeur sites are not set up specifically with the purpose of revenge or humiliation of the women photographed. And the women did agree to bare their breasts, and sometimes more, in a public context as opposed to "revenge porn" where it was intended only for a specific lover. | |
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| 05-05-14 01:07am - 3884 days | #16 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I think that is because, while there are definitely some good online porn sites out there, none IMHO have succeeded in revolutionizing an entire industry like, say, Playboy. When Playboy magazine started it was revolutionary to sell photos of bare breasted women to a mass market. But there is, IMHO, no one porn web site that has revolutionized the industry in quite the same way. Instead it is the hi tech industry that has revolutionized the industry so as to permit the free distribution of explicit photos and videos. And the big players in hi tech--the search engines and smart phones, etc--certainly ARE household names. | |
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| 05-05-10 03:40pm - 5345 days | #16 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
The obligation to treat others as a human being is a two way street. Indeed I would argue that in a professional situation where someone is paying for the services of someone else that--while there is a responsibility to be courteous on both sides--the initial gestures and courtesies should be extended by the side providing the service. If a fan masturbates to her performances in private, that is a normal human reaction and indeed the reason why she is in business. If she cannot handle this basic truism of her industry in a tactful manner that respects the customer's humanity, then something is wrong. | |
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| 05-05-10 03:34pm - 5345 days | #15 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Exactly. And if a porn star has respect for her customers, she will handle this topic in a tactful manner--not call someone pathetic because they exhibit typical behavior for porn customers. | |
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| 05-05-10 03:31pm - 5345 days | #14 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
No you are not the only one. I had a similar reaction although it was #5 that was the real deal-breaker for me. Most of the others could be seen as funny but--maybe there are limits on my sense of humor--I find it difficult to laugh about being called "pathetic" for being a loyal customer. The problem with #5 is that--if you read it carefully--she is calling all of her customers pathetic--not just the ones who articulate it--even though she prefers people to remain silent about their "pathetic" behavior. | |
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| 05-05-10 03:19pm - 5345 days | #13 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Most of these comments I agree with and do give me a good sense, as a customer, of the legitimate concerns of porn performers. However the one below is a real deal-breaker where I'm concerned:
Uhhh, isn't the point of porn supposed to be that you masturbate to it? For whatever reason people who enjoy masturbating to photos or videos of others having sex/nude will enjoy porn. And doesn't everyone understand this? So it is a little disappointing to see that a porn star considers someone who is obviously an enthusiastic fan to be "pathetic". Maybe it's just me, but it makes me have second thoughts about giving my money to an industry that has such a low opinion of its customers. It's a bit like going out to eat at a fine restaurant and then being told by the chef that you are "too pathetic" to do your own cooking. Granted, if a guy stalks a porn star, that is wrong just like any other stalking would be. But if--in a legitimate forum for interaction between porn stars and their customers--a male customer indicates his loyalty as a customer by the fact that he uses porn in the way it is surely intended--why is that considered pathetic? Surely this is behavior the porn industry would want to praise--and perhaps put a better "spin" on than society generally does--if it values itself as an industry? This type of attitude makes me realize that, ultimately, porn is a luxury, not a necessity, and maybe it is time to consider spending more of my hard earned discretionary dollars on an industry that has more appreciation for its customers. Just my thoughts. YMMV. Edited on May 05, 2010, 03:23pm (David19: minor grammar edit) | |
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| 03-23-10 03:19am - 5388 days | #9 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I think it is the other way around, actually. I think society has decided that it is in fact willing to tolerate porn more than violence. Look at the internet--yes, religious leaders might huff and puff about its evils from time to time but nude women are everywhere on the internet and I don't see that changing any time soon. I think any recent crackdowns on porn have mainly focused on child porn, not on consensual adult porn. Boxing, on the other hand, seems to be in a state of decline. Why did you choose to single out a boxer (Ali) who retired 30 years ago, rather than a current star? It's because the golden age of boxing was decades ago and today's boxers are not very memorable. | |
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| 01-04-10 07:44pm - 5466 days | #8 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
It is a bit unclear what specifically he is being charged with. Are the women on the site underage and they are lying when they say they are of age? The case involving the Sudanese woman is indeed extreme and I'm disappointed they couldn't make an allowance in that case. But it must be understood by women who pose nude for money on the Internet that literally anyone can see your photos if you do. I think that women who pose nude sometimes are naive or something and imagine that men who are close to them in various ways either won't see the photos or won't react to them. However, men love to see women nude, and that includes the women whom they know in real life. It does not matter if the woman posing nude on a website is a man's friend, ex-girlfriend, acquaintance, classmate, employee, supervisor, sister, daughter or mother--if she is attractive and is posing nude, there is a good chance he will want to see her nude. In certain cases, it is true, he too will want to keep it anonymous. And it does, in practice, happen that men do find women they know in real life posing on these sites. I have seen my own mother nude on ifriends.net. Many women have been seen by classmates or friends. I think there is an expectation that it be handled in a mature way by all concerned. AW does provide the following warning on its model page: Q: What if I get busted by my boss / family / boyfriend? A: Being busted naked on the internet can be a big deal for some models. Imagine how you'd feel if your brother, or your boyfriend, or your boss found your images. Would you lose you job? Be disowned by your family? If so, you should probably not do nude modeling. Getting back to the Sudanese woman, I do realize that risking losing a job or being disowned is not the same thing as risking losing one's life. However, I also am aware that this puts AW in an awkward position, because if they acquiesced easily to this request, then any model could claim to have been threatened and get their photos removed. However, I am confused as to the physical location of the parties involved. Where was the father when he was making these threats? If the father was in Australia, then it is a matter for the police in Australia. If he was in Sudan, then it is unclear how she got from Australia to Sudan. AW only does shoots in Australia. The article says she was already very pregnant when photographed. Usually airlines do not accept passengers at a late stage of pregnancy, yet the article claims she was still pregnant when the father was making the threats. The bottom line is I feel there is probably more to the story of the Sudanese woman than we've been told, but I am obviously concerned if her life is truly in danger. | |
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| 09-02-09 05:18pm - 5590 days | #7 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I regularly use ifriends.net on which my 42 year old mother is a chathost. | |
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| 08-13-09 09:52pm - 5610 days | #51 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Yes they do know and they do watch her shows. | |
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| 08-13-09 04:52pm - 5610 days | #47 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I have found it to be both very awkward and a great turnon. When she first told me about the fact that she was 'performing', the subject of my subscribing came up. When I asked about subscribing, she slapped me--hard--and then said: "I'm not telling you this because I want or need your acceptance. I don't. I'm telling you this because you are a man and you need to know the ground rules. I'm also not telling you this because of any weird incestuous feelings because I have no such feelings. I am a professional providing a professional service and ultimately it is a business transaction. If you come into my chatroom it is a business transaction. I do not want to know who you are and you are to refer to me as 'Lisa', not as 'Mom'. You are a man like any man purchasing a transaction--you are not my son. Understand?" I said that I did and then she said "now get the fuck out of my house". Initially her harsh handling of the situation made me feel very guilty, but eventually it became a turnon and I subscribed and saw her show. Edited on Aug 13, 2009, 07:50pm | |
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| 08-13-09 04:51pm - 5610 days | #46 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
She knows that I have been online and seen her show--however I do so anonymously so she wouldn't have known when it was me and when it was someone else. Of course she might have suspected based on the content of the conversation. She has said she doesn't care one way or the other and simply sees it as a business transaction--but yes, she might have gotten off because it is 'taboo'... | |
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| 08-12-09 11:10pm - 5611 days | #41 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Yes I have. | |
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| 08-12-09 11:03pm - 5611 days | #39 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Well it is 'taboo' although quite legal to see her nude online...so I suppose that is why some might see it as creepy. | |
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| 08-12-09 10:37pm - 5611 days | #37 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Well in my case it is because my favorite porn star--model on ifriends to be precise--is in fact my mother. She is 42 and still pretty hot. I do not live at home and am 21. | |
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| 07-20-09 07:55pm - 5634 days | #15 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
But there's no nudity involved in a lap dance! And usually no touching! Online, by its nature, you can't physically touch but you can get the girls nude and get them touching themselves, usually long before the meter reaches $20-$30. And as I noted above, in cases where it DOES take the girl that long to get nude and start 'playing', I usually move on to someone else quickly. | |
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| 07-20-09 07:53pm - 5634 days | #14 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Possibly so but one can weed out the less attractive ones--and I find the ones who act like they are on drugs to be less attractive--so much faster on a webcam than in a physical club. | |
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| 07-20-09 02:56pm - 5634 days | #11 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Hmmm...not in my experience. In my experience you can spend $80 on a private show in a strip club and the show is over in a few minutes...and the girl expects a huge tip on top of that. Even if you are able to negotiate the price down a bit, too much of the focus is on the girl trying to get more and more money in the strip club...which takes away from why I'm there. On the cam sites, if someone is charging $2/min (towards the low end of the range but not hard to find) that gets you 40 minutes for $80...and no demand for a 50% tip on top of that. I've never found a strip club that offers anything close. Plus the whole vibe in strip clubs is a real turnoff for me. Strip clubs to me seem to be about seedy owners exploiting girls who are often hooked on drugs, etc. The webcam girls, OTOH, have a more arms-length relationship with the sites that host them and so are much more in control of things. I expect a webcam girl to be willing to have a very intense sexual conversation with no limits, but I also expect her to be able to hold up her end of it in a very intelligent manner. I'm able to find this with a lot of webcam girls but not so much in the clubs. The webcam girls are intelligent women who know they can make--or supplement--their income nicely by doing this kind of work, and usually have a clear goal for their lives. The in-person strip club girls just give off too much of an aura of everything being frittered away on drugs and fast living. | |
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| 07-17-09 12:16am - 5637 days | #5 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
It's important to understand that such sites can be extraordinarily intense. This is partly because essentially anyone--as long as both parties are 18 or over--can sell online webcam sexual services to anyone else and it is legal--because no physical contact takes place. There is no law--and usually no policy on such sites--against people who know one another or are related to one another selling online sexual services. And such things do happen. I am 20 years old and for about two years have been a member of ifriends.net where my mother, Lisa, an attractive 42 year old girl, is a nude chathost. Lisa first told me about the site when I was 18 and had just moved out of the house. Initially it seemed something she was comfortable with--however she became very cold and businesslike when I asked about subscribing to the site. Her cold tone, though, ultimately served only to arouse my penis and get me to subscribe to the site. I subsequently discovered that she had a very regular customer who was encourage her to get me to focus sexual energy on her--and that ultimately her addiction to the money she was getting trumped everything else in her life. Having said all that, though, and if you can deal with the potential addictions in both directions (models addicted to money, customers addicted to the pleasure provided), such sites can be extraordinarily pleasurable but very expensive. I presently spend about $500/mo on ifriends--about $150/mo in Lisa's room and $350/mo in other rooms--but it is worth it and I make good money for a 20 y/o and can afford it. The sites cost anywhere from $2-$5/minute of which the model usually gets 25%-50% and the site takes the rest. While it is true that some individual models do not provide service that is worth it, the risk of losing substantial money can be kept to a minimum. For one thing you can usually chat to the model (slightly clothed) for free beforehand and get some sense of her--also there are reviews where you can determine if other customers have had a bad experience. Plus I don't waste time. I usually deal only with models who are over 30 years old because they usually understand that they are providing a professional service. I expect the models to undress completely nude within a minute of my entering their room--if they do not I leave and do not come back. I am polite but businesslike--after a few preliminaries I will say 'would you please take off all your clothes' and if they do not--or want endless 'talk' to do so--I excuse myself quickly and, again, do not come back. I also expect them to be willing to discuss anything whatsoever about their sex lives. Depending on my mood, I may ask them about current relationships or whether they've ever been raped. If they are old enough to have adult children, I ask whether their adult sons have ever subscribed to their site and seen their room. I am respectful in asking such personal questions but they are sex workers and are being paid to answer--and most do so. It is the women who have an interesting sexual story to tell who keep my interest for the longest time. The ones who (only) want to mindlessly play with toys tend to lose my interest (and money) quickly. Of course it is entirely possible that the successful models are ones who are sensitive to the kind of story they think I want to hear in any given mood I might be in, and quickly adjust a (fictional) story accordingly. However if they are doing so it better be a good, persuasive story or--again--I will quickly lose interest. The bottom line is that these sites are very expensive but provide a service which IMHO is well worth it. | |
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| 11-08-08 11:55pm - 5887 days | #10 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I'm not involved in a relationship; however the availability of porn on the internet definitely makes me less likely to be interested in a relationship. My mother is a chathost on ifriends.net and I regularly visit her room on ifriends.net--believe it or not I consider that to be perfectly 'normal' behavior. It definitely makes it less necessary to be involved in a relationship. | |
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| 11-08-08 11:49pm - 5887 days | #16 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
My mother, who is 41 years old, is a chathost on ifriends.net. ifriends has chathosts of all ages but there are quite a number who are definitely over 40 and some over 50. I've visited her room on ifriends.net from time to time and she is definitely hot. | |
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| 05-23-08 03:20pm - 6057 days | #12 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I wouldn't say that it has had no effect. I simply said that I am proud of her. She didn't tell me until I moved away from home, and she said that one effect of this is that I can never move back home. She feels it would be too uncomfortable a situation with me knowing what she is doing in her bedroom for hours at a time. But she also feels I should be able to make it on my own. I'm 19 years old and have a good job for a 19 year old--but obviously it adds a certain level of stress knowing that I can't move home. She says that it is not a bad thing anyways because at 19 I should be thinking of being independent not moving back to the nest. When the topic of my potentially visiting the chatroom online came up, she adopted a somewhat cold, businesslink tone (not a motherly tone) and said something along the following lines: "I'm not telling you this because I want or need your acceptance. I don't. I'm telling you this because you are a man and you need to know the ground rules. I'm also not telling you this because of any weird incestuous feelings because I have no such feelings. I am a professional providing a professional service and ultimately it is a business transaction. If you come into my chatroom it is a business transaction. I do not want to know who you are and you are to refer to me as 'Lisa', not as 'Mom'. You are a man like any man purchasing a transaction--you are not my son. Understand?" So definitely based on this it has changed the relationship--but I am certainly very proud of her still. | |
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| 05-20-08 11:15pm - 6060 days | #8 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Yes, but your choice of words..."[not] bad or immoral"...are the words that one uses to express a merely neutral or merely tolerant attitude. The real question, it seems to me, is...if you held a woman in the absolutely highest regard before discovering she worked on a porn site...someone you deeply admire...would you continue to hold her in the utmost regard even after learning she worked in porn? Or would you be tolerant but still shun her or treat her subtly differently after learning this? I personally am very proud of her for what she is doing. She says that when men she knows find out--the reaction is varied. No one treats her with outright disrespect but some are more guarded in their reactions to her outside of the chatroom. | |
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| 05-20-08 12:15am - 6060 days | #6 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
Hi Goldfish, Yes, ifriends is porn. Link to the adult area follows: http://www.ifriends.net/adultwarn.htm When you subscribe to the site and provide your credit card, you can get to the individual chathosts' rooms by clicking on the appropriate link--you are then directed to a live webcam where you pay varying amounts of money (usually about $2.99/min). The girls who work as chathosts provide live online nude, masturbation, and sex shows. They work via webcam out of their own homes--my mother works from her computer in her bedroom (I don't live at home anymore). In terms of how I feel about it, it is complex. My mother is an attractive 41-year-old girl (who looks at least 10 years younger) who clearly knows what she is doing and can handle this--I totally support her in it. She told me what she was doing when I turned 18 and respected me as an adult by saying it was up to me to decide whether to visit her room--but she preferred I do so anonymously if so. However, sometimes I worry about how either her friends or my friends may react if they see her on there. I think that is the biggest concern. Of course if they react badly then they are not really friends--but I think my concern is with how they may react. | |
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| 05-17-08 04:30pm - 6063 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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David19 (0)
Active User Posts: 32 Registered: May 16, '08 Location: California |
I was wondering if any of you had ever had female friends or family members who were models on porn sites and, if so, how you dealt with it or felt about it. My mother, who is 41, is a chathost on ifriends. | |
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