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| 06-05-08 12:08pm - 6006 days | #42 | ||
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Hello Monahan. More excellent comments. This has become a great thread.
The primary cost of joe blow porn site is content, but the primary cost of a 'successful' porn site, is promotion and advertising. Then there is content, hosting, billing companies, lawyers, security, programmers, and software developers that all cost $$$. The margins in porn aren't near as good as they used to be.
I am really curious to know, how you know that about Danni.com. Did they tell you that ? | ||
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| 06-05-08 11:40am - 6006 days | #41 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
I just found out a few facts about DRM that should be noted. - DRM can be setup to allow the user a permanant license, and/or permanant access to the license. - DRM can be setup to allow more than 1 device - In the case of a computer crash etc... Your license can be restored at any time during the license time for free. Here is a big one - You DO NOT need to be connected to the internet everytime you view a DRM protected video. You only need to be connected to obtain the license. Once you have the license, you can watch it anytime from that computer, connected or not. e.g If your license is for one month, but your access is permanant, you only need to connect once per month to update your license. If I offer a permanant license to paying members, that must be updated once per month, to view all of the videos for as long as they like, on up to 2 computers, and allow that member a way to easily and automatically restore the license anytime for free, would that be more acceptable ? Would you then consider joining a DRM site ? It would almost be like having an unprotected file, except that you couldn't share it with more than two people or devices, and you would simply have to enter your login once per month to obtain your license to view it. Even after you are no longer a member of the site. This would allow me to disable certain users that are abusing the videos, and track how many licenses are issued to each user, but at the same time allow my members to download and view that video for as long as they like. Perhaps DRM has gotten a bad rap because of the way it has been used, or because of the limitations it had in it's early stages. I am not ready to abandon DRM yet. It is still better than completely unprotected files in my eyes. For the record, the majority of my sites and videos do not have DRM and never will. It is too late for those. My newer projects will feature much better quality video in DRM protected formats that will allow as much freedom for the honest user as I can offer them. Edited on Jun 05, 2008, 11:43am | |
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| 06-04-08 05:52pm - 6007 days | #38 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Thanks to everyone that posted. I really appreciate all the constructive comments and opinions. I still don't really have a good solution to my problem, but at least I have heard how the other side feels about DRM and learned a few things. I guess I have some hard decisions to make and alot of research to do. | |
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| 06-04-08 01:34pm - 6007 days | #35 | |||||
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
No. I didn't go to business school. I was already too busy building a successful business by learning and reading everything I could from the net and putting what I learned to work in my successful business. More than most Business grads end up with. I do know that nobody can run a successful business when they are being stolen from constantly. There is no theft insurance for porn videos.
Because you weren't looking at it from both sides. You only saw DRM as the evil doer. I want solutions that both the producer and the customer can live with.
Maybe you didn't read the entire post. Have a closer look. I agreed that the home invasion is not as good as my business product comparison. I am not arguing the fact that you should be able to watch that video for as long as you want. What you shouldn't be allowed to do is go home and make 1000 copies, and then sell them down the street for half price. Or give them away for free with every order of your new DVD. In the brick and mortar world, you would be arrested. In the internet world, you would make a comfortable living.
YES !! Absolutely. That is the beauty of it. It allows for many options. Now we are getting somewhere. Thank you
I was quoting a line from the article regarding a "3 day $5 trial" being a "Good Deal" because you could download everything for only $5. Well, should I just start asking for a small nonperishable food donation for access ? $5 wouldn't even cover the hosting fees once the billing company took their %. | |||||
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| 06-04-08 12:53pm - 6007 days | #33 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Thanks Wittyguy I agree with everything you said, except this: "While pirating has a more immediate impact on small to medium sized companies (just a guess) they all have to deal with it and somehow manage to do so." Some actually can't deal with it because they don't have the money that Microsoft does. If I had hundreds of thousands to spend on lawyers to chase these guys, internationally, I would have much less of a problem. I like your comparison using software. If Windows was widely available for download on hundreds of websites for free, and they were helpless to stop it, don't tell me they would have lasted more than a few years. But that is not really a fair comparison either because Windows has always had some sort of protection anyway. I mean you all buy a license for software right ? You don't have the freedom to install it on 4 computers. You don't have the freedom to do whatever you want with it. Some even only offer the license for a year. Why is that OK and acceptable, but protecting my content with the same sort of limitations nis not ??? | |
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| 06-04-08 12:40pm - 6007 days | #32 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
I agree. You deserve to keep it for yourself for as long as you like. Unfortunately, some members go beyond that and feel they should share it with as many people as they can so they can be a hero on that network. So YES ! That means that every single video I have ever made, or will make, will be posted on the internet for free. The difference between now and then is torrent sites have only become really popular in recent years. Just like the music industry was fine until Napster became popular. The popularity of Tube sites and Torrents has now exploded. The music industry has been losing money for years because of music sharing. The adult industry is starting to now. Ask anyone in the industry if tube and torrent sites or video sharing sites of any kind are effecting there sales dramatically. It is only common sense. If you can get it for free, you aren't going to pay for it. | |
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| 06-04-08 12:28pm - 6007 days | #31 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Hello Denner. Thank you for your comments. Stolen Home Movies of course does not consist of any stolen material. We clearly post or 2257 model information on the main pages. It is like any other fantasy website out there. The guys on Bangbus didn't really just pick up random girls off the street. Most sites that claim to be reality sites, are not real. They are staged to look real. Stolen Home Movies claims to obtain movies by unscrupulous means, but all of them were purchased from the couples themselves with proper documents. The fantasy of seeing videos that are stolen and therefore weren't meant to be seen by anyone seems taboo and many people like that. The bad torrent sites that upload viruses are not the torrent sites that I am worried about. They don't have a huge following because word gets around. The torrent sites that don't give you viruses are hugely popular and demand users upload original content for credit. | |
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| 06-04-08 12:15pm - 6007 days | #29 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Thanks bjorn7, but as anyone can see, I'm not here trying to recruit members. | |
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| 06-04-08 12:13pm - 6007 days | #28 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Thank you Toadsith. It is a pleasure to have this conversation with you. I don't think it takes huge balls, just a desparate man at the end of his rope about a problem that is ruining his business. Most of you may know what sites I run. My main niche is Homemade porn Videos. I purchase videos from amateur couples to post on my site. I have been doing this for 8 years now. My videos have been stolen from the very beginning but more recently, the popularity of torrent and tube sites has really had a negative impact on our sales. I have members that simply download everything, and then upload EVERYTHING for credit at torrent sites. I do mean EVERYTHING. One torrent site has about 90% of the 500 videos we own already posted. After several requests to the site owner to remove them, I think the member is now in the process of posting the rest of them. Hundreds of Homemade porn websites post my content without my permission. Since the quality of the videos is not great in the first place, quality is not what my members want. They want the REAL home videos shot on the old crappy cameras most people have at home. I think because of the fact that they are poor quality, and from regular couples, some people think they are public domain. Some of you may not know what is like to invest 8 years of your life working hard and many thousands of dollars into something, and then watch that all slowly be taken away by criminals and even your own members. My sites were very successful in the beginning. I was doing almost daily exclusive updates plus offering hundreds of bonus sites and rebilling was great. Then the first of about 10 emails started to come from potential members late last year. "Why would I pay for your site when someone is posting all your videos to a free site." After a few more emails and a bribe, I found out that every update I posted, was being downloaded immediately by a member, then uploaded to a very popular torrent site. Sales started to drop. I emailed the torrent site to remove them. They replied to say they would do that, then nothing happened. More archived videos were being posted everyday along with my updates. I begged them to stop. It didn't. I threatened. It got worse. My next step is the lawyer, but I can't afford it because my sales dropped. I can't afford daily updates anymore because my sales dropped. I can't afford the hundreds of bonus sites because my sales dropped. And the cycle begins. Less updates, members cancel. Members cancel, less sales. I am sure you see where I am going with this. There was nothing I could do to stop it, until DRM came along. I know it sucks for the end user, but what else was I supposed to do ? What would you do in that situation ? DRM has many options. It can allow the content to be viewed for an hour or forever. It can allow burning or not. It can allow 1 computer to play it, or 1000. The latest DRM technology is compatable with most systems and makes it super easy to get the license and view the content. The nice thing about it is, if the DRM protection is not removed, it allows the owner to disable the license at any time if it is being abused. The only problem that I can see with it now, as Toadsith mentioned and proved to me, is the fact that it can be circumvented. SO WHAT DO I DO ? Just give up on DRM and offer completely unprotected files and hope things get better ? Do I continue with DRM, but offer more freedom with the license to hopefully slow down the problem ? Do I give up completely on offering downloadable videos and just offer Flash streaming versions ? Pay per view ? Tangible DVD's ? I just want someone to put themselves in the situation I just explained, and give me an honest response as to what they would do. | |
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| 06-03-08 06:02pm - 6008 days | #16 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
I don't believe that you do have respect for those that choose to protect their content. DRM is the only effective solution currently available to us. If you had respect, you would allow your readers to decide for themselves what they think about DRM and tell them how it works. Instead you choose to tell them how much of a hassle it is, use words like "webmasters bag of tricks" and tell everyone to avoid DRM sites altogether. Is that your idea of respect ? | |
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| 06-03-08 05:21pm - 6008 days | #15 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Funny. All these comments against DRM, but still no alternate solutions offered. If my video files are protected with DRM that will definately stop my members from uploading all my videos to a torrent or tube site. Why would they if nobody else can view them ? Please explain how that wouldn't stop torrent sites from using my content. You will probably say because you can get around the DRM. I have tested many programs that claim to do that and none of them work. Even if there was one, only a few know about it so it wouldn't really matter that much. It would still stop the majority of sharing and stealing. Content thieves will just steal content that is not protected. Then those guys will go out of business or switch to DRM. Well, Rick. If you are right, and paysites that use DRM will not be successful, then fresh exclusive downloadable porn videos will be a thing of the past. No body will stand forever watching their products be stolen and used for profit or given away for free. Eventually, nobody producing videos will offer a downloadable version at all and then you won't get to download it at all. Everything will be Pay per view. Some producers will just give up all together because that great porn video they wanted to produce is no longer worth producing. How does that affect your freedom ? BTW, polls aren't proof of anything. People will simply vote NO to DRM if they think it will stop it from being used. Some of the same people will see a video they really like, and even though it has DRM, they just HAVE to see it. If DRM was a failed business model why are so many big names using it for Pay per view ? I guess they just like throwing their money away. | |
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| 06-03-08 04:09pm - 6008 days | #11 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Also, to anyone that doesn't think that porn video producers should use DRM, please offer your solutions as well as your constructive criticism. What are we supposed to do to stop our products from being shared and stolen ? What if the DRM license allowed you access to the video for life, and allowed you to backup that license ? Would that be acceptable ? | |
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| 06-03-08 04:02pm - 6008 days | #10 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Thank you very much Wittyguy. Finally a post that I can agree with completely. Thanks for being one of the good guys. I am truly sorry that I may have inconvenienced members like you. I really wish there was a better more creative way to protect videos too, but until then, that is the only solution I have to continue doing business and bringing fresh new porn content to the internet. I would suck as a plumber and I have to eat. :) | |
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| 06-03-08 03:57pm - 6008 days | #9 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
exotics4me, It is obvious that you don't produce video either. Perhaps the comparison about the business and the products being stolen is closer than my home, but until you have invested everything you have into a product, only to have that product distributed for free or sold by others, I would not expect you to understand how it feels to be helpless to stop it. As I have already said, I hate DRM too, it is simply the only solution available to me to stop the theft, but still allow members to download the files instead of only allowing streaming. I have a way better chance of making a profit with DRM than allowing people to steal my videos. The bottomline is if the content is good, but not widely available for free, and people want to see it, they will pay for it and live with the DRM. | |
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| 06-03-08 03:36pm - 6008 days | #7 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
Hi ToadSith, Thank you for the welcome. As it can't be discussed on the forum, feel free to send me an email at chris@splatnetdesigns.com to discuss the methods of circumventing DRM protection. Since you mentioned it, I would be very interested in what you know about that. | |
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| 06-03-08 03:30pm - 6008 days | #5 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
You all misunderstand me. I like DRM as much as you do. It costs me money, and limits the formats I can release, as well as exactly what you said. People don't like it. It is also a general pain in the ass to encode videos with it. But if I didn't use it, my exclsive content that I have paid many thousands of dollars for, would be spread all over the internet for free within a few months. Not everyone in this industry is driving a rolls royce so to say we all make alot of money is like saying everyone in Hollywood is rich and famous. When I mentioned "Trials" I was referring to the comment on The Best Porn about a $5 - 3 day trial being a "Good deal" because someone could download everything and cancel. I have actually removed most of my trial pricing because of that. If the music industry didn't do the same thing they would be losing money until they collapse. Then artists couldn't record and there would be very little music left in the world. DRM will stop that from happening to the porn industry. Until of course the HD streaming takes over and downloads are a thing of the past. | |
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| 06-03-08 03:12pm - 6008 days | #4 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
I agree that DRM does suck, and it does take away some freedom from the person that pays for content. That is because, some users can't be trusted with that freedom and abuse it. You must know how many laws and rules exist in this world because a few idiots abused the freedoms they were given. Everyone now loses that freedom because of them. Unfortunately That is life Mr. Smut. Life isn't fair. I hate DRM just like I hate locking my doors everytime I close them, or setting my security system, or putting my money in a bank, But I am not going to leave my doors unlocked and my money under the mattress just for a little more freedom. If I did, I would have nothing left in my house, my money would be gone, and my family's life could be threatened. It sucks, but that is life. DRM is an unfortunate consequence of an increase in stolen content and how badly it has gotten out of hand. It is the only way currently to control that. Don't try to tell me that you wouldn't find everyway possible to stop people from stealing your property or money if it happened to you even once. Try to pretend you have a business that sells a product. Now what would you do if some of your product was stolen ? Now how about if it was happening every week, and you couldn't stop it. Even your own customers were copying the product and selling it down the street for cheaper or just giving it away. I suppose you wouldn't want to take away any of the freedom your customers have by installing cameras would you. Or take away their freedom to copy and share the product. Even though if the stealing continues, you will have to close your business and the people that stole from you are now making money from your content. Just try to say you wouldn't do anything you could to stop it Mr. Smut. | |
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| 06-03-08 02:28pm - 6008 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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splatnet (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 18 Registered: Jun 03, '08 Location: Canada |
In response to the "TIP" offered by The Best Porn regarding DRM (https://www.thebestporn.com/articles_output.html?id=15). As a producer of video content. The same video content that The Best Porn makes it's money from through affiliate programs like ours. I was shocked that The Best Porn would disrespect DRM users like that. Almost everything written indicates to me that the writer has never produced a video before. If they had, they would understand why DRM is so important, and why so many video producers are starting to use it. I would love to see you operate a profitable porn site by allowing your members to download all your exclusive videos for only a "$5 3 day trial". Of course it is a "Good deal" for the member. A couple of things called Torrent sites and Tube sites have all but ruined the old model of doing whatever you want with the files you download. Just because you signup for a website membership, doesn't mean you own those videos, but some members seem to feel that way. Therefore, if you don't own them, you shouldn't be able to do whatever you want with them. Unfortunately, it is the same old story about a few bad members ruining it for everyone else. I have always, until recently, offered my videos for download in full with no DRM. This eventually led to the posting of my videos all over the internet and then a massive drop in sales due to the fact that the videos I paid alot of money for, were now available to everyone for free. The music industry didn't stand for it, and neither will this industry. The only reason DRM is around is because of members sharing video. I didn't want to secure my videos with DRM and I agree that it is a pain to deal with, but I simply have no choice if I want to try to save my business. "There will ALWAYS be plenty of web-sites offerring you non-DRM downloads (at little/no cost difference)." That won't be true for long, because some members just can't keep it to themselves, so we are forced to control it for them. I know it is hard for you to walk in my shoes and understand when you don't own a video or picture, but if you did, I am sure you would change your tune pretty quickly once someone started sharing your videos with the entire internet for free. Then I wrote a "Guide" about how everyone should avoid your website because you are taking away my freedom to do what I want with your videos. Edited on Jun 03, 2008, 02:32pm | |
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