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01-27-13  03:58am - 4347 days #28
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Originally Posted by elephant:



Laura is on
18onlygirls.com (b/g)
beauty-angels.com (lez)
clubseventeen.com (lez)
creampie-angels.com (b/g)
euroteenerotica.com (lez)
firstbgg.com (b/gg)
fuckstudies.com (b/g)
rubateen.com (b/g)
trickymasseur.com (b/g)



Wow, Laura is a real hottie! I never noticed her until now, but I'll keep an eye on her. Thanks, elephant!

On a completely unrelated note: I wish that all the EU girls would stop their multiple name madness. It's really hard to keep track of all the different aliases.
And some of them should consider chosing more appropriate names. I mean, a girl named Nutella or Assol...

Btw, this girl with blue short hair, Ebba, she's pretty cute in my books.

01-20-13  11:05am - 4354 days #14
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Not sure what they're trying to achieve with that sender. The thing is, that there seems to be a connection to the 21sextury network. Would be nice to hear a statement of the admins...

01-20-13  09:42am - 4354 days #12
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The plot thickens.
Today, I received two emails, sent by ME (i.e. my name) and with the topic http://signup.21sextreme.com/track/....

01-18-13  01:35pm - 4356 days #2
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lelulove.com was a pretty refreshing twist lately. Great level of interaction, lots of stuff to download, lots of twists and (sometimes odd) fetishes. Not sure if that's what you're after, but it's worth a try.

01-18-13  01:31pm - 4356 days #2
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Same experience here. I'm recently being spammed with real name email headers. Not sure where it started, but I, too, have been a 21sextury member a couple of weeks ago.

01-18-13  01:15pm - 4356 days #20
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Originally Posted by hodayathink:


Conscientious pirates like to think that's the case. The truth is that it isn't.


And conscientious anti-pirates like to think that it isn't the case. Guess that's a draw then?

Fact of the matter is, you don't know the figures, I don't know the figures and in fact: nobody knows the REAL figures, not even the companies. We just hear companies complaining and mourning their losses. It's the same game wherever you look, music, gaming, they have all been there, pretending to be the victims and - magically - they all managed to survive by finding alternative ways of distribution.

Originally Posted by hodayathink:


While not everyone who pirates would have bought, to pretend like there's no one that pirates that would have bought otherwise is disingenuous at best and completely dishonest at worst.


The crucial word here is "otherwise". What is otherwise? Otherwise as in "if copying data wasn't possible"? Or otherwise as in "if pirates would be punished harder"? Piracy is a fact, people do it and those people don't pay, there is no otheriwse. That's reality. Everything else is theory. Find a way to stop them and we might see prospering porn companies, but as long as you can't, we're discussing phantoms.

01-18-13  11:06am - 4356 days #18
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Don Martin.
ZAPPADONG!

Nuff said.

01-18-13  11:02am - 4356 days #17
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First, I'd like to mention that I don't visit tube sites, I do not share or download illegal copies of porn and I'm paying for all sites I join (and that's not just a few).

BUT!
Whenever that topic is being discussed, it's inevitable, that the anti-copy fraction is playing the copy kills card at some point, even to the extend of claiming, that downloading pirate copies is responsible for the death of the entire industry.

This is wrong! Simply and utterly wrong. Of course, the myth is catered by the industry itself, who likes to be portrayed in the role of the suffering victim. Doesn't make it better.

The vast majority of people who are sharing pirated material wouldn't buy that material anyways. The simple equation each copy = 1 lost sale doesn't work. It's not a 1:1 loss, not even close.
In fact, tube sites and torrent sites have a positive impact on the sales figures of sites, because they're an advertising/marketing instrument. It's the same with music. People may be downloading one song from a filesharing site, listen to it, then decide to buy the entire album... legally and officially. Same effect here, people are watching a blurry low res scene on a tube site and then decide to join the site to get the full content in higher quality and without the risk of gettin a virus or trojan. If it wasn't the case, why do you think are so many tube sites run by big porn companies?

01-13-13  11:54am - 4361 days #3
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Originally Posted by Capn:

I think it has always been there at a level.


You're probably right, but in my experience, this was mostly the case for small companies with sub par content who just could not compete on the market. I never had any problems with the big fishes in the sea.

Originally Posted by Capn:

I think the current perceived increase, is probably a sign of increasing desperation within the industry?


That's what I was thinking! In many cases, it appears to be a panic symptom. Short term gain in exchange of losing trust and customers in the future. Quite sad.

01-13-13  10:07am - 4361 days Original Post - #1
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There seems to be a new drift in the industry. I noticed, that a couple of websites are resorting to, let me put it carefully, dodgy practices in order to sell their products. It reaches from false advertising to cancellation problems, to subscription inconveniences.Of course, the market is tough and there is a lot of competition out there and the people behind the companies are not Saints. But still, I think that this kind of behaviour towards the customer is not only immoral, but also pretty stupid, because customers are only good customers when they're coming back.
I'm surfing porn for a couple of years now and never ran into such a significant ammount of "cases" as lately. Unlike tube sites or pirate sites, pay sites were always a safe path for me and I had faith in the usual marketing mechanisms of retaining customers and all that. But I have to admit that this trust has been damaged by now.
What's your opinion? Have you made similar observations? Or is it just me having a streak of bad luck?

01-12-13  08:36am - 4362 days Original Post - #1
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Quick and simple poll, post your current top 10 fav girls.

Here's my list for a start

1. April ONeil
2. Lily Labeau

Both long time top 10ers, I can never decide which one deserves to be on top of the list. Lily has done more fetish and rough stuff lately.

3. Karina White
Awesome woman, very active in the past few months.

4. Holly Michaels
Unfortunately, she has signed an exclusive contract with passion-hd.com as someone pointed out, so we won't see much of her outside of that particular site. Then again, having a constant source for new material is always a good thing.

5. Nicolette (Emylia Argent/Argan)
THE shooting star of 2012 in my books. She seems to enjoy what she does and that's a good thing. I always had a crush for girls with short hair. In case you don't know her:
http://www.indexxx.com/models/74408/emylia-argan/

6. Embry Prada
Another new name on my list. Hasn't released too many scenes yet, but the ones I've seen are all ridiculously hot.

7. Vanessa Cage
The perfect mix between girl next door and pornstar look.

8. Faye Reagan
Not as active as she used to be in the past, but still a safe spot on my list.

9. Casey Cumz
Not the usual glam pornstar, more of the cute girl appeal.

10. Paige Turnah
Lovely brittish accent, great body.


Ok, your turn.

01-12-13  01:38am - 4362 days #23
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I usually avoid interracial scenes as well unless it's a scene with a very attractive girl. Some of the Belladonna/Michael scenes are pretty hot. But most of the time, I just don't care, although I don't have anything against black, asian or whatever folks.
This may come across as a stupid stereotype, but most IR scenes with a black guy are way too focused on the girls pussy instead of her entire body. It's as if the guy was fucking a fleshlight with an appendix.

01-11-13  09:51am - 4363 days #4
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Actually it's the other way round I think. Pornpros are posting a lot of passion-hd vids. Except maybe the early shots, which have been published on PP long ago.

01-10-13  09:17pm - 4363 days #2
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I found the X-Art videos to be too short for my tastes. They're all about 8-10 minutes per scene IIRC. Never tried Sex Art.

Compared to X-Art, I would prefer either passion-hd or danejones (the first one featureing US models, the second one EU models). Both sites are offering a great ammount of IMO great scenes.

01-08-13  12:13pm - 4366 days #25
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Baaah! I blame my sloppy reading!

And you, pat362, are an internet hipster!

01-08-13  11:49am - 4366 days #3
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A few (possible) reasons:

1. the big fish factor
Big, well known sites have a lot of subscriptions. The more subscriptions, the higher the risk that something goes wrong somehow, may it be the site's fault or the member's stupidity. Simply formula: the more subscribers, the more complains. And the more complains, the higher the probablity that some of the angry customers are letting off some steam on a public forum. Happy customers are rarely giving feedback.

2. personal experience
Happened to me. I joined a site, eventually cancelled my subscription and then read some negative feedback about that site and how it used to rip off their customers... while I didn't have any problems at all. Result: trust in customer reviews is going down.

3. lazyness
Few people actually read reviews or site comments before joining a site. I guess that's one reason why so many bad porn sites are getting away with their business model.

01-08-13  11:36am - 4366 days #23
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I'm mildly surprised. A thread like this and noone mentioned Emma Watson? You guys (and gals) are definitely not representatives of the current internet hipsters. I'm proud of you!

I agree with Amy Lee. I wouldn't cancel a download of a hc scene with her. From the non-nude pool, my pick would be Uma Thurman. And maybe some girls from the sports channel? What about Hope Solo?

Then again, I think that hc scenes of most celebrities would be some kind of spoiling the enigma.

Oh, and my favorite pick would be softcore model Aimee Sweet!

01-02-13  10:23am - 4372 days #22
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Originally Posted by Women say a little roughness at a point is good, but the internals of a women are not stimulated the same way or areas.:

Women say a little roughness at a point is good, but the internals of a women are not stimulated the same way or areas.


You're generalizing. There is no global opinion about what's right and what's wring, you will find enough women, who disagree with you. It's all a matter of personal taste and sexual preference. Just like men, some women like to be treated gently and some prefer to be treated roughly (otherwise BDSM would't exist and BDSM is not an invention of the porn industry, it's a real life thing).

I always find it irritating when people are considering their personal views as the holy path. This is not aimed at you, Cybertoad, it's more of a general observation. People are always playing the "as long as the model is into it" and "if she's having fun" card. Don't you think that *most* adult models - given the choice - would prefer to not be on camera at all?

01-01-13  11:42am - 4373 days #29
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Well, different strokes for different folks I guess.

Obsessive? Maybe, I dunno. What's obsessive in your books?
Gyno shots? No, far from that! Actually I love to "investigate" practically any other part of the female body except the gyno parts. Face, arms, legs, back, whatever comes to mind.
If it fits on my screen, I'd like to see it moving. If it doesn't, I'd like to be able to zoom in. Simple as that.

01-01-13  06:27am - 4373 days #25
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Thanks again, Claypaws!
Don't worry about searching for a site, I can look it up myself based on your explanation!

01-01-13  01:15am - 4373 days #15
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Nice to see, that thread necromany is in effect on this site as well.

As for the original question:

It totally depends on my mood. I've collected a pretty good stash of touchy-feely scenes as well as a good array of really rough stuff. And I usually don't really like the vanilla stuff between these two extremes.
One thing that's a complete turn off for me is, when the models (both, boy and girl) don't use their hands and arms during the scene, reducing the sex to some sort of mechanical in-out antics. Touching and groping, either hard or soft, is essential for a good scene IMO.

01-01-13  01:06am - 4373 days #20
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@Claypaws
Thank you very much for your detailed and well informed explanations! Really appreciated! I'm very curious about the physical limitations of the camera sensors you're talking about. Can you maybe recommend me a site where this is explained in an undersstandable way for someone who is familiar with physics but lacking all experience with photography and the technology behind it?
And to enhance messmer's question: Are you currently running a site?

@exotics4me
Yes, I've been a subscriber of ITC a couple of years ago. But like PinkPanther says: their images are shopped way too obviously. I don't mind seeing a spot, a bump or even a scar on the skin of a girl. In fact, small imperfections are part of the kick for me.

12-29-12  02:11am - 4376 days #24
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Japanese porn can be quite fun for a while if you avoid the too-extreme stuff. Generally, a lot of asian porn movies seem to share the trend. The girl usually has that "Oh, I'm being molested and I don't like that, better let out some highly pitched moanings" attitude. It's hard to explain, it looks as if the girl is never into it and just sits through it, almost like a fake rape scene.

On the other hand, there are some movies/scenes that are highly erotic and well shot. Maria Ozawa is a good example. The (few) movies I've seen from her are all amazingly good.

As for the sites, a lot of japanese sites don't seem to care about hd videos. They usually just offer 640x480 videos, which is quite remarkable, because Japan and asian countries in general are not exactly tech-hostile. In addition, a lot of JAV sites are ridiculously expensive.

I guess the japanese industry could make a lot of money if they decided to tune their products a little more to the western tastes.

12-28-12  12:44am - 4377 days #8
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Thanks for the replies so far, guys! Appreciated!

@jberryl:
Yes, Met Art does photoshop. Maybe not for all their shots, but definitely for some of them. During my search for pic sites, I've seen sample pics from Met Art, that were obviously enhanced by "the force" (tm).

@Claypaws:
I just find it interesting how close/large you can get. It's part of the fun for me. The 10000px shots by hegre are all far from blurry. Ironically, when I was browsing sample pics from sites that are offering a maximum of 3000px, I found many of them to be blurry and lacking colour depth.

12-26-12  10:02pm - 4378 days Original Post - #1
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Despite my addiction to videos, I recently had to admit that picture sites can be quite fun as well. Browsing the sites here on TBP, I found out that many picture sites are badly done with lots of low res, photoshopped pics. Not really my cup of tea. I joined hegre-art a couple of days ago and found it to be almost exactly what I was looking for.

So here's a challenge for all you pic aficionados:
I'm looking for a site with crystal clear, NON-photoshopped XL pictures (6000p and more). I prefer indoor shootings with good lighting over out door beach side stuff. EU or US models, amateurs or pros, I don't mind as long as they're good looking and natural, although noth hairy, so no abbywinter for me . Also, I don't care about videos (this time).

Any suggestions?

12-25-12  12:40pm - 4380 days #4
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Merry Christmas and a happy new year everyone!

12-25-12  12:38pm - 4380 days #14
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Originally Posted by RagingBuddhist:


With all the complaints I've seen about this site over the years, I guess it comes down to playing a game of Russian roulette. You shouldn't have to be lucky when joining a site just to not have "issues".


There are a lot of complains about BB, that's true. However, I guess that's a thing that comes with the size of a site. The bigger the site (in terms of recognition/market share/subscribers), the more can go wrong with individual customers from around the world and the higher the probability that some customers are also active on a board like this, sharing their experiences. It's just a matter of statistics.
I'm in no way defending bad customer service or even the attemt to rip off people. However, based on my job, I know that the feedback on forums rarely represents the real image.

12-23-12  11:45am - 4382 days #6
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Thanks, messmer!
I guess I will avoid BB in the future. Pretty dissapointing, this trend lately (not just BB, other sites as well... see my harmonyvision review).

12-21-12  11:58pm - 4383 days Original Post - #1
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Can any current member of BB please tell me how to find the 1080p videos on their page? For some reason, I only see 720p vids, although BB as well as TBP are advertising 1080p.

12-19-12  11:57am - 4386 days #10
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I know, pinkerton. And I never looked at it as if it was something different (although I think the engine has a lot of potential). What I meant to say is, that it's basically just reduced to chosing a position, chosing a tool, chosing the clothes. And after the third scene, you quickly realize, that it's all basically the same.

@Capn, yes, me too, because it's way easier to produce. However, I suppose that a videogame would automatically reduce the target group.

12-18-12  09:05pm - 4386 days #7
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


The problem with video is continuity. Photos as a medium are much more forgiving when things go a little askew, videos - especially with dialogue - rely on everything in the shoot going perfectly. End up with just one critical clip not working out and the entire shoot can be ruined (ie you end up with a set of clips which cannot be used as contiguous set). I'm not saying it can't be done (and done very well) but it is really expensive to do properly.


You're definitely right here. However, all it takes is a bit of proper planning and setting up a story board as well as following a clear path (i.e. you need to be 100% sure what exactly you are trying to create... an adventure, a dialogue based chat up game, an interactive movie etc.).
Yes, the production might be expensive, because depending on your setup you need to shoot a ton of different scenarios. Maybe it's not a solution for a site or a network, but for a movie/game hybrid thing?!

12-18-12  11:10am - 4387 days #4
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I disagree, Capn.

3DSexvilla is fun for like an hour until you find out that your options are pretty limited.

Virtualfem is an absolute joke in my opinion. low res videos with mostly ugly models and a borderline retarded AI. There are better flash strip games out there. For free.

Haven't tried sexism.com yet though. But I tried the new 21sextury interactive site (beta is available for members iirc). Same thing: just a big video chopped up into smaller pieces and the interactivity consists of "ass" or "tits", leading to the next video sequence.

There is so much room for improvement in this area, yet so many bad of haf-hearted attempts to really do something new and exciting.

12-16-12  03:21am - 4389 days Original Post - #1
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I noticed that some sites out there are recently trying to take a step into the "virtual" theme, combining videos with little adventure games (chatting, finding hot-spots etc.), thereby giving the viewer some sort of control over or interactivity with the movie.
The examples I've seen so far are all rather dull though, lacking either quality (i.e. small flash videos), or originality (very limited interactivity) or an incredibly stupid price system. I think there is room for improvement in this particular section.
What's your opinion about this? Are you interested in interactive porn? Or do you prefer to just download and watch?

12-08-12  11:26am - 4397 days #14
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pat, I'm not saying they should stop offering low res videos for good. I just say that the existence of low-res-ONLY video sites is hard to understand.
As long as a site offers me the choice of download options that include hdtv, it's fine by me.

12-08-12  11:22am - 4397 days #6
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Guys, the surgeon in charge here was no other than Dr.Photoshop.
The shape of her breasts, the round edges on the inside with the unnatural shadow areas are clear indicators for fakes. Just check this pic and tell me you're still not convinced. :D

http://www.watch4beauty.com/issue-24-oct...ting-dana-harem.html

12-08-12  08:56am - 4397 days #2
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Hm... fake boobs?! I guess so.
Lovely face though.

12-08-12  06:59am - 4397 days #12
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What I want... let's see:

* High Quality videos (1920x1080, nothing below)
This is 2012 and broadband internet access is available everywhere. How sites are even able to survive with their 640x480 videos is beyond me.

* Steady updates
One update per day should be the minimum. Weekly or monthly updates are so 2005.

* Stable servers!
Lately, it seems to be a common trend that sites are haveing bandwidth problems from time to time. Can be very annoying. Directly connected to this point is the next one...

* Full IDM support (including resuming downloads!)

* Less silicone tits
Cyborgs are still popular, although the latest trends with all the glamcore sites are a refreshing deviation. More of that please.

* Intuitive and simple navigation with filter and search options.

* Interesting cross promotion deals

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harmonyvision.com

worth a look Edited by Staff on Dec 04, 2012, 06:49am (Khan: edited direct link URL)

09-06-12  12:42pm - 4490 days #14
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Happens rarely, but it does happen.

I'm not a big fan of asian girls, but at some point, I got totally hookey by London Keyes. Other way round: I used to collect every Sara Stone vid, but eventually I changed my mind and CBA anymore.

08-27-12  11:08am - 4500 days #2
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sweetsinner.com is definitely missing on your list.

08-26-12  09:15am - 4501 days #2
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I'm using IDM myself and never had any Windows freezes. However, what I *do* have is that after a couple of hours of downloading, my internet connection is getting slower and slower until it finally stops for good.

07-18-12  11:23am - 4540 days #2
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realpunting is a pretty good site, yes. Problem is the update frequency and the fact that the video quality could be a little better.
If you enjoyed realpunting, you might also like redlightsextrips. It's a bit less classy thatn realpunting in terms of less talking and the scene usually takes place in one of those "boxes" in Amsterdam. However, the theme is the same.

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Originally Posted by 1. What is the most down and dirty BELIEVEABLE scene you have ever watched and where? Let's stick with couples this time.:

1. What is the most down and dirty BELIEVEABLE scene you have ever watched and where? Let's stick with couples this time.


Hard to think of a specific scene. Nikki Thorne has done many scenes that are quite believable. Katei StIves and Victoria White too.

Originally Posted by 2. How many gigs of porn have you collected?:

2. How many gigs of porn have you collected?


A couple of TB. Maybe 5 or 6.

Originally Posted by 3. Who is the ugliest women on porn ( have you ever seen Tonya Tounge? OMG:

3. Who is the ugliest women on porn ( have you ever seen Tonya Tounge? OMG


Everybody with fake tits (bye bye, Ava Addams *cry*). Of the natural girls, I can't stand Brooklyn Lee.

Originally Posted by 4.What do you think is the best "reality site" on the net combining believable people, outstanding quality, and somewhat different from the norm?:

4.What do you think is the best "reality site" on the net combining believable people, outstanding quality, and somewhat different from the norm?


Girlsoutwest is my recommendation here.

Originally Posted by 5. What is the one site on the net that makes you gasp? I'll nominate "First Time Ballbusters"OMG ouch and "Dirty Director" proving that some guys will fuck anything with a asshole:

5. What is the one site on the net that makes you gasp? I'll nominate "First Time Ballbusters"OMG ouch and "Dirty Director" proving that some guys will fuck anything with a asshole


There are many crap sites out there and some rather bizarr fetishes as well. I can't think of a particular site at the moment, but someone already mentioned asssmoothie, which is indeed kinda weird.

Originally Posted by 6. Is there any type pornsite that you would like to see on the net??:

6. Is there any type pornsite that you would like to see on the net??


* multi angle porn
There was upperclassvideo a couple of years ago, but they're no longer updating. I found t hat kind of videos rather interesting. WIth todays technology and resolution, I guess it would be worth another reincarnation of that idea. Maybe offer the same scene twice, each shot from a different angle, so the user can play two videos at once. Edited by Staff on Jul 18, 2012, 02:13pm (Khan: fixed quoteback)

07-09-12  10:46am - 4549 days #2
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I'm not entirely sure how it works with direct bank account access (to be honest: I wouldn't recommend that way, I always prefer CC for safety reasons), but I assume it's treated just like any other automatic debit system. If your account doesn't have enough money on it and the debit is bouncing, your membership will be cancelled until you renew it.

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After reading this thread, I gave it a try last night and logged on to MFC. My first impression was, that the design of the site is just horrible. Way too many different colors, confusing and borderline amateurish navigation (browsing options etc. are displayed as links instead of buttons, just one example). Talking about browsing: the site needs more filter options.
The second thing I noticed is that the connection - for me (sitting in EU) - was generally rather slow, although my connection is usually pretty decent. I had lots of lag, regardless of the location of the model.
My third observation, after reading some profiles, is that some the models are more than just a little cheeky. Posting "rules" such as "don't just hang out in my room" and "say a word when you enter the room, otherwise you'll be kicked" seems to be quite counterproductive to their business. I mean, they want MY money and I'm sure they would gladly accept it even if I didn't say "hello".
On the plus side, I've seen some very familiar and popular names on there. The quality of the stream (minus the lag) was quite good.

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Brazzers and Realitykings are offering the best quality vids in my opinion. Realitykings is even a little better that ZZ.

07-07-12  08:06am - 4551 days #42
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Here is my list:

Fake Tits
Simply a no-go for me. Instant skip. Same goes for bottox lips and girls that are just way too tarted up.

POV
Usually jerky, blurry camera work and about 50% of the scene is looking at the girls back. Ony very few sites are offering decent POV scenes. Wakeupandfuck is quite ok, some of the RK scenes are pretty decent. But in general, I'll pass.

Solo Girl
Does nothing for me unless it's a VERY hot girl and the scene looks real and not staged.

Group / mass scenes
Too much happening on the screen for my tastes. They can be good if the girl is into it and actively participates instead of just lying there like a rubber doll.

"Artsy" porn
Any kind of scene where the director pretends to be David Hamilton and slaps some filters on the camera, trying to make the sceene look classy and glamour.

Photos
I'm a movie guy and don't care about pictures at all. I might have 100-200 pics on my hard drive and that's it. Only pictures that are very well done, taken in high resolution and if the model is one of my favorites, I'll make an exception.

Movies
Everything below 1280*720 will be ignored.

Anal
Not that I don't like it, but there are some sites/scenes that are so focused on the women's ass that the entire scene basically consists of just one huge close-up.

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Click the link and enjoy watching the lady in the shower. Geeez!


06-17-12  01:34am - 4571 days #28
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Originally Posted by Again, I'm gonna ask you when the last time you actually pirated content was, because the quality loss is nowhere near as bad as you keep insinuating that it is. It is, 9 times out of 10, the same quality as you would get from a standard definition file download.:

Again, I'm gonna ask you when the last time you actually pirated content was, because the quality loss is nowhere near as bad as you keep insinuating that it is. It is, 9 times out of 10, the same quality as you would get from a standard definition file download.


I wasn't talking about piracy, I was talking about tube sites. Of course, when you use p2p tools to share content, there won't be any loss of quality. But torrent and filesharing sites are disapearing. I'm not saying they're completely gone, some are still there and they're still causing problems, but it's not as bad as it was a couple of years ago.

My point was (and is), that tube sites are offering low quality material on dodgy, often virus infested sites. And I find it hard to believe, that this kind of material is a serious competition for high quality content.

Originally Posted by Edit: And technically, the talent in the porn industry has taken the same corrective measures as the talent in the music industry has: they get some money from making scenes, yes, but they can make more of it from touring (escorting and feature dancing) and other things (like webcamming and merchandise like Fleshlights and other molds). :

Edit: And technically, the talent in the porn industry has taken the same corrective measures as the talent in the music industry has: they get some money from making scenes, yes, but they can make more of it from touring (escorting and feature dancing) and other things (like webcamming and merchandise like Fleshlights and other molds).


Absolutely!
And that's a good thing IMO. Breaking up the sterile set up of supplier/customer means more influence of the consumer and an increased level of identification with the models. I enjoy "chatting" to some of the girls on twitter or watching them on cam.

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Originally Posted by
The "beauty" of tube sites (and the reason they are so dangerous) is because there's literally no technical knowledge needed to be able to use them, and on top of that there's no waiting period for a download. You just find the page, hit play, and that's it.
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The "beauty" of tube sites (and the reason they are so dangerous) is because there's literally no technical knowledge needed to be able to use them, and on top of that there's no waiting period for a download. You just find the page, hit play, and that's it.


The good old tech people argument. Sorry, but no, I don't buy that. The current generation was raised with the internet. They know how to deal with it and they know how to set up a torrent, because for them it's as easy as rewinding a tape with a pen for our generation.
Yes, they may search tube sites and hit play...and watch a blurry image of naked people doing strange things. But that's not what the industry is about. I'll say it again: if THIS is enough for a person, he will certainly not spend money to watch high quality stuff.
If you want to listen to a certain song, you (I assume) log on to youtube and enjoy the music. Low bitrate samples, tiny videos. Did youtube kill the music industry?


Originally Posted by Add to that the fact that the tubes are so popular that on many occasions, if you search for a scene, a result for the pirated/tube version of that scene will show up in the search results higher than the official place to get that scene, and it's not necessarily just about "pirates wouldn't pay anyway", which there's not really any quantifiable way to say whether it's true or not true. :

Add to that the fact that the tubes are so popular that on many occasions, if you search for a scene, a result for the pirated/tube version of that scene will show up in the search results higher than the official place to get that scene, and it's not necessarily just about "pirates wouldn't pay anyway", which there's not really any quantifiable way to say whether it's true or not true.


I agree, there is no quantiyfiable way to say whether or not tube sites are harmful for the industry. So it's impossible to evalualte the potential damage to the business, let alone identify tube sites as the main reason for it's decline. Considering the fact that many of those oh so evil tube sites are run and catered by HUGE websites, I find it hard to believe that this is the origin of the crisis.

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