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05-07-18  01:56pm - 2421 days #3
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Nope that's not it, if I ever run across it again I'll post an update here. I remember when I found it I was like WTF is this site?? It's not listed anywhere. All the strapons were the size of the ones from hugestraponlesbians

04-29-18  09:25pm - 2428 days Original Post - #1
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In my random internet roamings a couple months ago I happened upon some site that I had never seen before that was similar to hugestraponlesbians.com with every video being lesbian girls fucking each other with giant strapons. But it was super obscure I have never seen the site listed anywhere on review sites and it mostly seemed like models I've never seen before either. It seemed pretty old. Anyone have any idea what that site may be I forgot the name and wanted to check it out more. It had quite a few updates. The girls were cute too.

04-23-18  12:02am - 2435 days #485
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Does anyone actually read this? Or are you just kind of shouting to air?

02-13-18  11:04pm - 2503 days #2
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Well found my answer it's R18.com

02-13-18  08:42am - 2504 days Original Post - #1
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I'm looking for some JAV sites like Adultdvdempire.com or hotmovies.com there are quite a few movies I'm looking for but I can't find any really good places to either vod scenes I want or purchase things. Almost all my google searches just lead me to endless blogs.

11-21-17  08:51pm - 2587 days #3
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They just don't seem to get many models that I'm into anymore. I did like it when they shot Alice Green and Alana Rains though but even that's a while back.

10-22-17  03:49am - 2618 days #5
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I'm sometimes baffled how sites like these that seem to have no information or advertising anywhere even exist. There are a number of sites similar to this that after years of scouring porn sites, review sites, etc I just happen upon and am I like "oh, you exist? Where did you come from?" And it's some porn site hole in the wall that has been around for a while and just keeps on going... somehow

04-17-17  01:36am - 2806 days #5
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I just join sites for a month then go back after a year or two or three when more updates have built up.

Personally I like RK a lot more than Brazzers, but that's just me. Brazzers seems more milf oriented and more established porn star oriented where as RK has more new young girls which I like.

02-01-17  12:28am - 2881 days #6
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Tube sites and file sharing sites both are having a massive impact. I thought I heard there is a push to make the tube sites illegal and it was gaining traction? Maybe I'm wrong on that.

12-21-16  09:45pm - 2922 days #5
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There are a few stories online about LP - not sure where I found them but read them if you get a chance it's interesting. Apparently they make mega bucks being the owner of 1 or a few tube sites, I think it may be pornhub but that could be wrong. Anyway they make so much money they can spend insane amounts shooting endless scenes with the double and triple anal crap, but a lot of models quit the business after doing those scenes I guess, have to go to the hospital, all sorts of stuff.

12-13-16  12:00pm - 2931 days #3
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They seem to be pulling from the same model pool that legalporno does so I doubt they'll have trouble finding models willing to fist if they're taking 2 or 3 dicks in their ass for legalporno. Also the updates are once per week, the dates are on each scene. It's the same company that does VIpissy and wetandpissy.com so I doubt it will vanish quickly but who knows, fisting sites don't have a good track record for endurance.

12-11-16  11:47am - 2933 days Original Post - #1
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So if you haven't noticed, I'm kind of the fisting guy on here lol. And my god has the fisting porn scene taken a nose dive over the last 2-3 years with almost every site closing or stopping to update, except teachmefisting but their scenes suck so bad now with their newer scene director I don't even bother.

SHOCKINGLY, I stumbled across a brand new site called fistertwister.com today. I am EXCITED, but also a little cautious as a good chunk of the scenes seem to be following suit of teachmefisting style which I hate. What I mean by that is boring fisting, stick hand in pussy, leave it there and wiggle it around for 20 minutes, then end scene. A HOT fisting scene is like what brutalfisting.com has or the old fistinginaction.com - lots of pull outs, twisting, filthy fisting.

Anyway I'm not absolutely blown away by the direction of the scenes, but the girls are hot, it's a legit site and it gives me some hope the scene isn't entirely dead. I'll likely do a full review some time sooon.

11-09-16  06:14am - 2965 days #3
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damn i remember him, sad to hear

10-19-16  08:05pm - 2985 days #3
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Rob said he doesn't have an ETA right now. He has a billion updates to put together for that site and it seems he's overwhelmed.

I actually have a sneaking suspicion that it's just a pseudo cover for him to be able to fuck a lot of the girls that he shoots for ftvgirls. That's what FTVx is - him fucking those girls. I'm sure he will get the site up and going at some point for sure, but it's probably just the cover for him (which will also make a lot of money) for him to screw em haha

07-24-16  12:40am - 3073 days #9
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This happens endlessly, could spend hours listing all the sites that do this. Hate it, total bullshit. Bugs me even more than when companies like New Sensations / Digital Sin release ENDLESS amounts of compilation videos in a way that makes it seem like new content, but it's all just old scenes cobbled together like a frankenstein monster of a porn movie.

07-24-16  12:39am - 3073 days #15
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tube sites are the bane of existence and I'm not even in the biz. Tube sites, file sharing / upload sites, and torrents are the reason endless, ENDLESS great porn sites no longer exist, and the ones that used to be great and are still around are largely only a shell of what they used to be.

07-24-16  12:38am - 3073 days #24
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1. Xenogears
2. Xenosaga series
3. Final Fantasy IV
4. Final Fantasy X
5. Mortal Kombat 2
6. The Witcher series

08-09-15  04:23am - 3423 days #6
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Pretty much every decent fisting site to every exist - they are ALL gone or not updating anymore except Teachmefisting and that one isn't even that good. Holy hell has the internet porn scene taken a massive nose dive in the last 5 years.

03-05-15  07:25pm - 3579 days Original Post - #1
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Hey just wanted to give a heads up here for anyone who may, like myself, also be a camgirl frequenter or follow this model on twitter. So this new girl Hope Harper who mainly does mainstream porn was advertising skype shows from her twitter yesterday and I took the bait. Granted, I've probably done around 50 shows with MFC models on skype and have never been scammed, so I didn't worry too much when she insisted the only payment she would accept is Western Union wire transfer (paypal, google wallet or gift card are what's common). Especially with her being a porn model right? WRONG. Anyway so we are talking through skype and the deal is I pay first, then we do the show. That's common, no problem there. Interestingly enough, once I pay and I receive the email confirmation that the receiver has taken their funds, and she even tells me she got the money, I never hear from her again. No show, no response to any of my skype chat or twitter chat, all the while as she continues to post new things to twitter throughout the day. A day and a half later and I still haven't heard a thing. I know I'll never get my 100 bucks or show that I paid for, but I at least hope this post can help prevent any other dudes from falling victim.

11-05-13  02:38am - 4065 days #5
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I've done quite a few skype shows with webcam models from MFC, but it seems to be losing popularity. The point was to skip the middleman (the website). So the member pays with paypal for cheaper than he would a private show on the site, and the girl actually gets more money because MFC or whatever site isn't getting a cut at all. Doing a skype show but still paying for it in tokens doesn't make sense to me, but there is the benefit of better quality through Skype and less lag. Plus the model is focused on you and not random private messages she could be getting while doing a show on the site.

As I said though - losing popularity. Members would scam models by getting a show first then not paying and models scam members by getting paid then blocking them on the site and skype. Nothing a member can do, has happened to me once. Now I don't bother with skype much or only agree to pay half up front and the rest halfway through the show

And yes - payment of choice paypal

09-04-08  09:40pm - 5952 days #8
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Truth: Full blown addict, sex addict to be more precise. I actually shouldn't be on here, and instead going to SAA meetings and working the steps, which I haven't done in over a year. Big surprise, life has gone down the drain, including serenity and peace. I'm also in AA and GA (Gambling) and have 5+ years clean with those addictions, but this one is the biggest bitch of all. The reason I'm on here today is actually to disable my account since I'm getting back on the recovery wagon so it's funny I saw this here. Good luck to anyone suffering with an actual addiction of this, it can be devastating.

08-30-08  07:16pm - 5957 days #3
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Do you think that a special tag should be added to the review of websites that no longer update or at least no longer offer new material? I'm thinking of a site like
Hands on Hardcore. I may be wrong, and if I am please go ahead and tell me, but I haven't seen a truly new scene on their preview page in the last six months. All that I see seem to be older scenes that have been cleaned up and re-released at a higher resolution.

I'd like to see a notice somewhere in the review that a certain site has not updated since "month/day/year". This could help future customers decide if the price of the membership is worth it. Sometime if can, if only because you get access to very large libraries.


I agree that there should be something like this, but it would probably be hard to really be accurate with. If there are no updates that's easy but if it's just rehashed updates like 1by-day does now only consistent porn surfers such as us would be able to catch it consistently.

08-25-08  11:00pm - 5962 days #7
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I was hoping that Brazzers was going to open an Athletes Like It Big site in time for the Olympics - but nooooooo..


Lol, I agree, that would be great.

08-25-08  10:12am - 5963 days #4
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


One of the things that I've always liked about porn is the ability to jump on any cultural trend quickly to riff on it in a sexual way. So has anybody seen any sites riffing on the Olympics - there's certainly a lot of hot babes in the Olympics - in gymnastics, in swimming (all of the pool sports - one could imagine lots of fun to be had with porn-babe synchronized swimmers), track and field, etc.


I watched the closing ceremony last night, and when all the participants from the different countries were swarming onto the floor, I was on hottie overload for sure. Almost had a meltdown.

08-25-08  10:10am - 5963 days #13
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Originally Posted by NMC2008:


Girls I am tired of seeing:

Gianna Michaels

I think that's it, but shit, Gianna seems to be everywhere, she is probably in Japanese porn somewhere, I know she was on OnlyBlowjob.com, which is a mostly if not all euro girl site, she squeezed her big ass titties on that site too, I like Gianna but damn.


Here here.

08-20-08  05:31pm - 5967 days #4
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Marina/Euphrat, Annette Dawn, Monica Vesela, Larissa/Nata/Helena/Et cetera, Zafira, Clara G, Peaches, Aurora Snow, Justine Joli, Suzie Carina, Susie Diamond, Gina, Britney, Lena Nicole, Renee Perez, Neveah, Laura Craft, Angelina Crow, Missy Nicole, Nikky Case, Evelyn Lory, Destiny (from Europe), Georgia (from Arkansas), Betty Saint, Carli Banks, Andi Valentino, Charlie Laine, Gitta Blonde, Veronica/Lola L, Hannah Hunter, Karli Montana, Mindy Vega, Aneta Smrhova, Susana Spears, Sandra Kalerman ...

... No, I've never gotten tired of any of them! Every time I see that there's something NEW of these girls -- and others (I just got tired of typing) -- I want to see it.

What I do get tired of is finding the same content on different sites, such as Babelicious and TeenDreams. That gets old, of course!

And I'm really tired of the way a lot of the content comes out poorly (see the thread "What makes you say 'No'?").

But the girls themselves I still adore.


Wow, you listed a ton more models there that I'm sick of. LOL. Guess there is more people like you than me though or else they wouldn't be around still.

08-20-08  08:46am - 5968 days Original Post - #1
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Thought this would make an interesting topic. For the majority of porn girls it seems they may just do a few scenes here or there, or perhaps they will go through the US rotation of companies regarding regular porn and you'll see their videos pop up for a few months. But then you have the models that just never seem to go away. I'm not sure if it's actually more with Euro models, but perhaps since a lot of the sites I like to visit have a lot of euro models I notice it more with them. Some examples (including some US girls): Zafria, Clara G, Peaches, Belladonna, Aurora Snow, Suzie Carina, etc.

So, do you get tired of seeing girls like this? If so, how long does it typically take you to get tired of seeing a certain model.

For me, there is definitely an invisible time line (or perhaps it's number of scenes) that a girl hits at which point I no longer care about them and have no interest in seeing their content anymore. That is even if originally I found them very intriguing. It seems I need a constant flow of new girls to keep me happy, and sites that tend to keep reshooting models, especially the group of DDF Euro models that are everywhere, I lose interest in completely. I wonder how these ladies keep getting jobs, but they must be popular so either people don't lose interest in them like I do, or there is enough new people who surf porn to keep the demand up. Thoughts?

08-20-08  08:37am - 5968 days #15
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Sure kicked off some conversation with this post. So to update a little bit, I'm very familiar with scenes such as from Kink or some other sites where the content may involve pain/humiliation, but is consensual. That was not the case in this video, clearly. It was shot in the manner of a scene you would see from maybe Pure18/casting couch cuties/ etc. Just a bed with 2 guys. That's what made me post about it, because it was practically terrible to watch as the girl was clearly not just acting, but in horrible pain and still going on.

08-19-08  04:06pm - 5968 days #3
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Yeah, I've been using up almost all that space still. Not sure how many people really read all that but oh well, better more info than less I say.

08-19-08  11:02am - 5969 days #5
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Kind of weird but I'll go with the discussion anyway. I keep my hard drive very organized, only downloading videos I want and pics that I want individually. There will be times I go on a download binge and then over the course of maybe a week go through it all and discard all the stuff I don't want, but more often than not it's chosen material that goes on my computer. So, with pics I practically never download a whole set. I'm not much of a pic person anyway but sometimes I'll take a few.

08-17-08  10:31am - 5971 days Original Post - #1
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I'm curious about what others think when they hear the term "euro" model and what their definition is. To be honest, I'm not really sure mine is correct, but maybe there isn't a completely right answer? It seems as though anything besides asian women that are from "over there" are euro models to me. Whether they are from Russia, Hungary, France, Netherlands, etc, I tend to lump them all as "euro".

The funny thing is I don't know where probably 90% of the models are from, so it almost becomes more that models get lumped as euro based on what site they are on, or what company's movies they are in. For example, any DDF production model is euro to me, as are all the girls you would find on Club Seventeen, Lez cuties, Xcoreclub, or a Sineplex title. But even with those sites and movies there is not always overlap. I mean, I've never seen a DDF model on Lez cuties or Sineplex and vice versa. So are those different or still all euro? Like I said, not sure if there is a right answer but I'm interested to hear other's thoughts.

08-17-08  07:44am - 5971 days #7
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Originally Posted by pat362:


In no particular order:

1- Faye Reagan: A gorgeous redhead with incredible nipples.
2- Lexi Belle: A cute pixie like blond (great potential).
3- Amber Rayne: A petite brunette willing to do everything.
3- Jana Foxy: A gorgeous blond who could go far.
4- Alexis Love: A beautiful girl of Latin descent.
5- Samantha Ryan: An amazing blond who can really kiss.


Samantha Ryan is really gorgeous, but I liked her better when she first came into the business as a brunette.

08-16-08  06:57am - 5972 days Original Post - #1
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So I saw a video last night that actually kind of disturbed me, and I've seen a LOT of porn. Let me explain it to you and I'm interested to hear people's feedback on it.

I would imagine we've all seen a scene at some point in time where the girl in the vid is in some pain because of either a big dick or anal sex. Well I've seen quite a few of those but usually the girl either loosens up to the activity or they stop the activity, whatever it is. well, last night I downloaded a vid and it was with a girl that was obviously a teen, and she's with 2 fairly big dicked guys. They're all speaking spanish so I can't understand what they're saying, but after a while one of the guys inserts anal and the girl SCREAMS for him to stop immediately. He doesn't, and she starts to pull away out of obvious severe pain. She starts saying "no no no" and then all the guys are talking again for a while with her, coaxing her to try again. So she gets doggie and is willing to try again, then the guy slams back in her ass and she's immediately once again like "NO!". Now is when it gets bad, as they just do not stop and let her go. The two guys take turns on her for about 5 minutes with her visibly crying, screaming, yelling, wincing, and trying to get it to stop. But it doesn't. When it's finally over she's just a sobbing wreck huddled in a ball, and the guys are all proud of themselves.

I've never seen something like that. At first (keep in mind I'm saying right at first) it kind of turned me on, but once it became apparent it needed to stop and that she was not going to become ok with it, I lost complete arousal and was really kind of shocked.

So what do you guys think about this? And let's be brutally honest. Would that turn you on, or would it disgust you? Have you ever seen something like that before?

08-16-08  06:47am - 5972 days #18
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


I don't object at all to someone not liking the girls looking at the camera, but the truth is for me is that I do like that. Of course, it depends completely on HOW the girl is looking at the camera. Example: A video I got of Layla Rivera getting it belly-down flat in which she's facing the camera and starts moaning stuff to the viewer (as the plumbing churns visibly in the background). Layla pulled it off for me just fine.

What I don't like, though, are excessive, lingering frames of the girl's face as she's getting it. Man, I HATE that. I came here to see the action, not a prolonged closeup!

It all comes down to the fundamental sensibilities, and the people making the stuff can have the best equipment, the best babes, the best everything and fuck it up royally because they just don't "get it" -- or maybe they just don't care.


Totally agree about the face shots. In one of my recent reviews, for Explicite-art, that's one of the points that I made, how the camera man spends too much time zooming in on the girls face's and not on the action. Very annoying.

08-14-08  09:36pm - 5973 days #55
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


The sad part is that both teams are struggling just to finish with a .500 season. It almost happened last year where a team could have made the playpffs with a losing record. Same situation this year.

At least it fills the seats. I'd just like to see a team in the NL West like the 2001 DBacks, which was a team that was genuinely good enough to go all the way.


It is pretty sad really, and it's funny to hear national sports talk radio or tv shows dog on the division. I just hope the D'backs make it to the playoffs, because their pitching is good enough to get them somewhere. Getting in is going to be the problem though.

08-14-08  09:07am - 5974 days #13
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Yep, I remember it's either exploited teens or exploited college girls where the guy NEVER shuts the fuck up. Even the models were visibly annoyed. I kept almost nothing from those sites.

08-14-08  09:02am - 5974 days #12
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Oh my god did you hit a nerve with me here. I can't count how many times I've wanted to shoot the camera man out of frustration in certain scenes. Especially when it's either a hot girl or something really hot is going on, and the camera is anywhere but where I want it to be. GGGRRRRR!! I've been SOOO angry at times because of this, haha!

08-14-08  01:05am - 5974 days #9
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I actually found a better one than the initial one I suggested. I've been having some problems with the moviebox movie joiner merging certain files so today it motivated me to look at some others. The following one I've found to merge everything with no issues, and it's fast. Just a suggestion, use whichever you like:

http://www.boilsoft.com/avi-mpeg-rm-joiner.html Edited on Aug 14, 2008, 01:23am Edited by Staff on Aug 14, 2008, 10:49am (Khan: Removed unauthorized link)

08-14-08  12:04am - 5974 days #53
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


Nice pick up on Adam Dunn. I'm a Dodgers fan, and hoping Manny can get done for us down the stretch.


Well, I'm kind of so-so with the Dunn pick up, we'll see what happens. Tied in the standings now so it should be pretty crazy during the rest of the season.

08-12-08  08:23pm - 5975 days #4
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Fake boobs, instant turn off. I HATE fake boobs. I would rather have nothing, and I'm serious, than fakes. And I also agree that big tats are gross.

08-12-08  05:37pm - 5975 days #6
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Thanks for all the info everyone.

08-11-08  08:09pm - 5976 days Original Post - #1
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Hey all, I'm looking to get started with renting dvds from an online site, and am looking for feedback from people who have done this as to which sites they have had success with and which ones to avoid. The good porn shops here in the Phoenix area are now an hour drive for me so I don't feel like doing that anymore. Please let me know, thanks.

08-11-08  06:56pm - 5976 days #48
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Just put mine up. For those in the states it might be easy to recognize, but perhaps not for others. It's for the Arizona Diamondbacks, the MLB team here in Arizona. I'm a big fan, so hence the logo.

08-11-08  04:07am - 5977 days #6
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I second the Eurorbabeindex. I've used it a ton when I find a euro model I want to see more.

08-11-08  04:06am - 5977 days #3
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I rarely if ever will join a site that only has streaming videos. There are programs you can get now that capture the streaming feed and convert it to a file to save on your computer. I tried a trial of one of them maybe 6 months ago or so and it worked like a charm, but I don't remember the name of it.

08-09-08  02:47am - 5979 days Original Post - #1
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I've seen some members talk about "downloading a site" and such, and it taking days at times. I've never dealt with download managers nor have I ever done anything like this. My questions isn't how to do it, however, but what do you do with all of it? For example, I just spent the last 2 hours going through my hard drive of stuff (which is already selectively downloaded from sites) deleting the stuff that I will never watch or look at again. But with an ENTIRE site worth of material, what do you do with it all? Go through it later or just keep it? That's a lot of hard drive space isn't it?

08-09-08  12:53am - 5979 days #3
MargulisAZ (0)
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Yeah I've done this. Hey, sometimes you do what you have to do right?

08-08-08  09:12pm - 5979 days #3
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I use movie tool box movie joiner. The free version only joins 3 files together, but if you're patient you can make a whole movie out of even 20 parts by doing a bunch of multiples of 3's, then adding those together to finally get to 1 file. 20 bucks to get the full version with no limits, and it seems to work pretty well. Link is here:

http://www.movietoolbox.com/joiner.html

07-31-08  08:10pm - 5987 days #3
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Yeah, I'm always on the hunt for new material as well. It's unfortunate because a lot of the bigger sites are updating new stuff less and old stuff more as was already touched upon, and then other ones are shooting new material but with the same old euro models over and over. Granted some of the models are great, but after years of seeing them it's just a snoozer for me personally.

Potential ideas:

1. Not sure if the content is of interest to you, but from what I've seen the girls at Xcoreclub are pretty new. Most of them can be seen on Sineplex/Sinsational/Sinterracial pictures, but even then they are rarely in more than 1 or 2 movies. Like I said, not sure but it's a thought. I'll post a review of the site in the next couple days. It's not perfect but not bad.

2. Simonscans? A niche sort of site but at least practically every girl is no where else to be seen. Another site that isn't perfect but at least has original content. I would imagine you're already familiar with that one though.

Ugh, I'm really struggling here to think of any more! Times are indeed bad! There's always ATK, Karups and Nubiles, but those are no brainers and not new news for anyone.

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