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01-06-09  01:39am - 5829 days #17
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I think PinkPanther's last post sums it up very well: if a site turns you on, it's a good site. Everyone is entitled to their own tastes and those tastes can be as broad as you want.

On a similar subject, I've never understood people who despise softcore models because they don't do hardcore. Or those who expect all boy-girl models to do double anals on all their scenes. I prefer when models do only what they are comfortable with. If non-nude models are not comfortable with taking off all they clothes and can get a living out of good old teasing, good for them. I'd rather see a good tease than an XXX scene where the girl is obviously not happy to be there.

01-05-09  02:50am - 5830 days #4
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It might be legit but it's way too cumbersome: you not only have to sign up through their referral links but also have to manually claim the points by providing the email and subscription id you used to purchase the subscription.

Beware that, at ccbill, those two pieces of information are enough to access your subscription info; not only you are disclosing your user name and password but also the postal address of your credit card.

What's more, it looks like you cannot get instant access to the site when you want to spend the points: you have to make a request and they sign up on your behalf.

I'm with badandy400 here: at PU, we often get instant discounts and you also have the raffle. I'd rather stick with PU; is much more fun and less of a hassle.

01-04-09  11:45am - 5831 days #11
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I'm sure others have more experience than me but, at the defunct site I mentioned before, the model would sometimes go fully naked but cover her nipples or her pussy with her hands, a belt or some other prop. You wouldn't even catch a glimpse of her nipples through the fabric and I don't remember her ever doing any wet T-shirt set.

To anyone interested in seeing endless variations of covering body parts, you may try Cam With Her. It's a pay-per-minute cam site but also a membership site that gives you access to free members-only daily cam shows where the models are forbidden to even show her nipples. All the content in the membership site is non-nude. I must say, though, that members there seem to be enthralled with the content as it is anyway.

One of the Cam With Her models just opened a topless-only solo site: Love Gisele; we may say it's a niche within a niche :)

01-03-09  03:34pm - 5831 days #2
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Probably not the norm but I once joined a now extinct solo non-nude site but I wasn't aware that the girl didn't get nude at all. I didn't fill ripped-off, though; sure she found a thousand different ways to hide certain body parts but the girl was hot and it isn't the silliest porn purchase I have ever made.

I think it's a niche like any other. I doubt all those who buy the Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition do it for fashion purposes.

01-03-09  02:56pm - 5832 days #6
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You're right, PinkPanther. Some networks don't have a particular site that serves as an entry point so a PU page cannot be created for them. There's also those networks that give you additional sites every month as a loyalty bonus.

Still, in these cases, to avoid entering the tech info everywhere, one can always input all the details in the first review and refer people to it in all the others. Just an idea.

01-03-09  11:02am - 5832 days #4
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When I reviewed the Porn Pros Network sites I wrote the bare facts in the Porn Pros Network page (resolutions, site navigation, etc) and discussed the niche only (facts aside) in each subsite (Deep Throat Love, Flexible Positions or Sleep Creep).

Of course, to do this, the network has to have a main site where you can input all this information (this is usually the case and, if not, admins will sure add it if asked) and the niche sites have to be substantially different (as was the case).

On the other hand, I suppose everyone is aware that when you go to the TBP site facts you get information on every site your membership gives access to. In my experience, that information is usually very accurate.

12-30-08  02:25pm - 5836 days #4
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You may try Cum On Dagny also. They've been on line so much time that I thought they had shut down the site a long time ago but I see in a recent review here that she's still at it. I don't even want to know what new things they might have come up in the last 10 years.

If you want to find more sites, you may try the browse sites option, niche: cum shots, 2nd niche: amateur and set the min.reviews to 0. Edited on Dec 30, 2008, 02:33pm

11-02-08  02:55pm - 5894 days #14
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Originally Posted by ace of aces:


do you know if that also works in europe/germany?

Looks like it doesn't. Quoting raffle rules "eBay Gift Certificates may be purchased or redeemed by residents of the United States or Canada only."
https://www.pornusers.com/raffle_info.html

Originally Posted by Cybertoad:


The key is too that from what I see Amazon has no adult material or related, so wonder what others use Amazon for .

Amazon sells subscriptions to Playboy and Penthouse but only for US residents. Softcore DVDs (Peach, Mystique) can be bought by anyone. But they also sells books :) and that's what I ordered with my winnings. I'd probably have ordered a non-adult magazine subscription if they did deliver in Europe.

10-30-08  12:13pm - 5897 days #4
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You're welcome. I'm not that much into euro porn but, afaik, New Sensations' websites content always comes from DVDs and iafd is a great resource for movie info.

10-28-08  04:09pm - 5899 days #2
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Sorry if it's too obvious a question but have you tried iafd?

I suppose all scenes from Nacho's Killer Pussy come from the DVD series Killer Pussy. If you mouseover a star name, you usually get a portrait picture. All movies in the series have reviews with scene descriptions there, so it could also help in case of doubt.

09-28-08  09:55pm - 5928 days #2
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Sorry I can't recommend a particular site but you could also try the "Browse sites" option and filter them by a related niche: "Parties" or "Group Sex" seemed to show some sites with potential. Make sure you set the "Min. Reviews" to 0 so no site is left out.

09-21-08  12:04pm - 5936 days #9
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Thanks for sharing webmasters' views on the subject. I still don't get this regional pricing thing, though. Pay sites are basically selling bytes. It's not like it's gonna cost them more to send 1Mb to a town a couple of miles away than to send it to the other end of the world.

I understand Nubiles logic, though, as they also shoot in Europe. But companies who shoot all their content in the US (perhaps in the San Fernando Valley only) are also using it and, for me, it's very hard to understand.

Let me also say that, in my personal experience, I've recently seen less regional pricing taking place. Also, I've seen more epoch sites than ccbill ones using it. For some reason (perhaps because the USD has been getting stronger against the EUR in the last couple months), I have less strong feelings against it than when I started the Sites that charge more in EUR than in USD thread some time ago.

I think the main problem is the sudden increase of a 40-50% in memberships. But I'm sure that, if the EUR gets ever nearer 1.10/1.20 USD, everyone will switch to regional pricing. Altough, if this exchange rate is reached soon, the price of porn will probably be the last thing we'll worry about... Edited on Sep 21, 2008, 12:08pm

09-21-08  03:30am - 5936 days Original Post - #1
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I've been downloading for some time the PornStar Podcast Interviews over at adultdvdtalk. Some of the star interviews are absolutely inane but there are others that are quite interesting. Specially the ones with producers or directors. Most are with DVD producers (I recall Jules Jordan, Pierre Woodman or Belladonna) but there's also a good share of web producers, like a series of interviews with the owner and some of the directors of Kink (Fucking Machines, Kink On Demand, etc.).

I was wondering if there are pay sites that have similar podcast downloads as an extra to their main content. I'm thinking about audio only: I am fully aware that many sites offer their videos in ipod or PSP format but this is not something you can listen to while doing something else. I've only come across some interviews at Juliland, some of them being available in the free section.

I was also wondering if there's any radio station in the US that might do this kind of thing and post podcasts of their shows.

09-13-08  09:49am - 5944 days #5
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Originally Posted by mr smut:


@atrapat:
The term crazy was aimed at the fact that I'm creating a banner for her. She was so nice when replying to my initial mail that we exchanged some mails over the last few days and then I thought it was a good way for saying thank you to tell her about the chance to link to the sites of her girl friends. I only wonder what pictures she'd like to see on the banner?


I should have added a smiley at the end of my reply :-) It's a nice gesture on your part. I have never created a banner for a model but I've seen other people do it. I guess models get their share of bad feedback so, whenever I have contacted a model, I've also tried to be super nice too.

Look on the bright side of not knowing which pictures she'd like on the banner: it's the perfect excuse to browse and study her pictures time and again ;-) I wonder, though, how come her site is not listed here.

09-13-08  08:23am - 5944 days #3
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There was this related poll running not much time ago: Have you ever tried to contact a model directly?. People seemed to answer mainly no, but it looks like people had in mind big name models only who don't have a site of their own.

When it's a solo site, even more a small one like this, I think it's logical to offer feedback directly to the model. Many sites even encourage it. If the model is the creative mind behind the site, who else will you send the praise or ask for a particular type of content you would like to see? Maybe I'm crazy too but I don't see anything weird about what you did.

09-08-08  03:05pm - 5949 days #61
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Mine is a character from a Spanish TV Show who is a heavy Internet user. He might download some porn from time to time.

If someone's really curious, here's how "the worst day of his life" was like (with english subtitles).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm4N-YrT-ZU

09-05-08  03:08pm - 5952 days #9
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Originally Posted by messmer:


The video I picked at random this morning is 472.011 KB in size and about 55 minutes in length with a bitrate around 380, badandy.


I believe you are using the dot in 472.011 as thousands separator, so 472.011 KB =~ 460 MB.

I'm no expert in this matter but, in my experience, windows explorer "lies" about bitrates when it comes to divx files. For instance, I have a particular file that windows says is a 4kbps file; it's in fact a divx with more than OK quality. My guess is that divx/xvid codecs might be using some variable bitrates and that's what fools windows.

I tried my 4kbps file on GSpot (handy program for getting lots of info on a particular video file). It took some time but eventually said it was 800 kbps on average.

According to the 55 min duration and the 460 MB file size, I'm guessing your sample file is an avi file encoded with variable bit rate which windows mistakenly reports as 192 kbps. The average bit rate for this file should obviously be higher than 192 kbps.

08-30-08  11:59am - 5958 days #12
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


Who really cares if a porn performer is not the ethnicity advertised?


Maybe it depends on how important it is for your fantasy. If the ethnicity is a crucial part, then you certainly care. I understand mbaya is interested in Indian and Arab models but, for the reasons he stated, models of that ethnicity in porn are hard to find. So I sympathise with him when he finds a site that advertises Indian models but throws in well known Latina models with dots stuck on their foreheads.

It's different when you are hooked on a certain model and, at different sites, she's listed as teen, milf, ebony, asian, arab, amateur, indian or whatever. You are interested in her and care little about the rest.

08-07-08  03:02pm - 5981 days #23
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Originally Posted by moonbyrd:


Hmm... US products... in that case one could say that an European site such as Explicite Art (to which I was subscribing until yesterday) is now offering massive discounts to US customers.


In the case you are mentioning (European site that lowers the price for US clients) it's somewhat different as the site is charging the usual price to Europeans and offering a discount to US clients to avoid losing them.

Although it's easy for me to be understanding as I've rarely signed up to European sites.

08-07-08  08:49am - 5981 days #21
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Originally Posted by moonbyrd:


One almost wonders if this is a programming error at their end. Has anyone tried to contact CCbill and ask about this?

As things stand, I'm not inclined to join any porn sites.


This is by no means a programming error on ccbill's part but a decision they have made based on this logic: "consumers are accustomed to paying 1:1 when it comes to US products". Just google this:
Regional Pricing Demo ccbill
and you'll come up with a slide presentation of the logic behind their regional pricing product.

Regional pricing isn't exclusive to ccbill. I'd say nowadays the only sites that still aren't doing regional pricing are those using ccbill that haven't activated this option. Most epoch sites I've checked recently charge more in EUR than in USD although they don't use the 1:1 conversion. Honoring its name, all localbilling sites I've seen are using the 1:1 conversion.

I have trouble understanding why I should pay 60% more than a guy in the USA for the exact same product (site membership). Edited on Aug 07, 2008, 08:54am

06-11-08  12:12pm - 6038 days #11
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It depends. Some people prefer national teams over club tournaments. Within club tournaments, some prefer pan-European tournaments (Champions League) over strictly national ones (Premier League, Bundesliga, Calcio and so on).

It all boils down to this: you have the national league (just like NBA regular season without playoffs) around 40 weekends a year and, to get a second match every week, you have the Champions League or a National Cup or World Cup qualifying around Wednesday. National teams tournaments (like the current Euro Cup) are played every 4 years at the end of season to get some soccer all year long.
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06-10-08  02:12pm - 6039 days #9
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Thanks for clarifying (although that first page without currencies is still unbelievable). Glad to have helped you :) Torbe's work isn't my thing but he is quite popular here. If male performer's looks matter to you, take into account that Torbe is probably in many of the scenes and he is the guy with the sunglasses at the top of the home page.

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Couldn't watch the match either but fear not: like in every major tournament, Spain will finish first in the group but whoever faces them in quarter-finals has a 100% certainty of advancing to semi-finals. Spain is different.
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06-10-08  01:37pm - 6039 days #7
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Originally Posted by mr smut:


Do you know of any good European sites? Sites as good as AllOver30, ALS Scan, ALS Angels or GirlsOutWest.


Sorry, but I'm not into Euro style. Nothing but US porn for me. Private is probably the only Euro site I've ever joined and didn't like it that much.

As for content produced in Spain, I just checked Torbe Network (a type of site totally different to the one you asked for) because I thought it was probably the most popular here in Spain and there's quite a nice price: "One Month Membership 29.99 renew 29.99" with absolutely no reference to what currency they are using anywhere in the page!! This is even worse. Spain is different.

06-10-08  10:30am - 6039 days #5
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Originally Posted by mr smut:


Now I see that sites I'm a member with for a long time want to charge me 57% more because they treat $ and EUR equally!


That's the issue I tried to point in my original post. Maybe it's just me but I prefer the old times when all you were offered was the price in USD. I can do the math myself and I know that if I am signing up with a serious payment processor they will use the right exchange rate. Whether those 19.95 USD eventually show up as 13.56 EUR or 13.66 EUR in my credit card statement doesn't really matter.

Payment processors have been showing for some time a set of buttons which lets you choose the price in your currency but the exchange rates were always around the official ones. I feel cheated, though, when I get to a US site and I am greeted with a beautiful 19.95 EUR instead of 13.56 EUR (let's say listed price at PU is 19.95 USD). I wish someone could explain me why I have to pay 57% more than an American user for the exact same service.

I sympathize, though, with American users who are facing the reverse problem (willing to join a European site from the US). All my respect to European sites who offer prices in USD lower than should be expected by official exchange rates (let's say list price is 19.95 EUR but US users are asked only for 24.95 USD). I wish US sites had done the same back in the day when the USD was much stronger than European currencies.

06-01-08  05:19am - 6048 days Original Post - #1
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I'm European and I've seen a couple of site comments from European people this week complaining about US sites who are showing prices in EUR at signup pages much higher than should be expected from the listed price in USD at PU.

When trying to join a couple of US sites recently, I've also noticed myself that the membership price was one of the usual numerical values (19.95, 29.95) but in EUR instead of USD. Let's say you get a 24.95 EUR price by default and when you convert it to USD you see 38.78 USD which is a rather unlikely price for a US pay site and makes me think that they saw I was coming from Europe and raised the price for that reason.

I've seen in the past people complaining to PU staff for not getting at some site the exact same price that is being listed here. Let me stress that I know this has never been PU's fault and I am not blaming PU at all about this kind of issues as the final price a site decides to show to a user is beyond their control.

I know nothing about the pricing structures ccbill or other payment providers offer or if the current EUR-USD exchange rate has some effect on that so I am not saying this is sleazy per se. I only know that I wouldn't be joining as much sites if these practices became more common place and membership fees raised a 55% from one day to the next (fyi, currently 1EUR=1.55USD).

05-20-08  11:31am - 6060 days #20
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Originally Posted by Brad Rain:


did you check out the new freeones search yet? seems to be in beta atm but it looks pretty promising.
http://www.freeones.com/search/


Thanks for pointing it!

This beta has some good points but it would be much more useful if they ANDed the search terms instead of ORing them. I still feel, though, that it suffers from the same issues that make freeones a cumbersome site: only textual descriptions of scenes, you have to visit each link to see what site it comes from, several links are related to the same scene, ... They could learn a couple of things from PU.

05-15-08  11:13am - 6065 days #3
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As the author of the original comment, let me say that I intended it to be as neutral as possible.

I think that people joining a solo model site should know it when the model has quit the business. This case is even worse because, if the statement is true, Erica Campbell now has extremely strong opinions against the whole adult business.

05-04-08  09:22am - 6076 days #16
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What I really miss is an equivalent to IAFD for web content. Instead of listing the movies/DVDs a porn star has appeared in, it should list all the scenes and the sites the model has performed at. It should also let you see all the scenes on a site and who acted in each scene. IAFD's "performed with" would also be handy.

Eurobabeindex does a job that comes close to what I wish but it's a pity it's only for european stars and I am much more into american stars. Freeones gallery listing is also handy for discovering new scenes but its organization is non-existent; the same for its forums.

This site was a dream come true: www.pornstarwebography.com. The design was as simple as IAFD and it listed all the scenes for a particular star and you could also get all the scenes in a site. It was being updated daily and I even contributed some details. But, one year ago, the guy left a note saying he would be away for 10 days and he still hasn't come back.

05-04-08  07:33am - 6076 days #2
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Found some very expensive DVDs at a site called Brasileirinhas but there doesn't seem to be much web-only content. Try also searching for the alternate spelling Vivi Fernandes.

05-01-08  08:32am - 6079 days #3
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Only in my dreams.

04-28-08  11:19am - 6082 days #4
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It depends on the kind of content.

In glamour / softcore, I usually prefer photos over everything else because, the way I see it, many models strike great poses but aren't that good with their movements. Photographers in this field are also better at their job than videographers (many times videos are taken by a photo assistant). Porn is all the way around: the guy holding the videocamera is usually the one that's better at his job. Even though, I still like to see the pictures if available.

Also, when I started collecting porn, bandwidth was a real issue. I remember treasuring the first digital video file I ever had; it took like forever to download ... and it didn't completeley fill a 1.44Mb floppy disk. At that time, the only porn I could enjoy were pictures and I believe part of my liking for pictures could be that it is what was available when I started and I don't mind the "inconveniences" you mention.

04-26-08  06:25am - 6084 days #9
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Thanks Wittyguy and Toadsith for your posts. I've only had time to make 3 reviews and your expertise is very much appreciated. I feel my own idea of what a review should contain wasn't that wrong.

I still have doubts, though, regarding how to choose the rating figure. I've seen the scoring guidelines at TBP for official reviews and they are quite thorough. I was tempted to try to use them here but it looks like PU reviewers are allowed a more general approach.

Let's say that after writing the pros and cons, I conclude that a site is Average; but how should I decide whether it's a 70, a 72 or a 79? Should I raise the score over 80 if, despite having a lot of room for improvement, I really enjoyed it / would recommend it?

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