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12-14-10  12:08am - 5122 days #5
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Originally Posted by rearadmiral:


Am I right in assuming that a huge majority of business for companies like CCBill and Epoch is porn driven? I buy a lot of stuff over the internet and have never seen anyone other than a porn site use a billing company.

The reason I was thinking about this is that I was just on CCBill to cancel a membership and the portal that linked into information for consumers had a picture of an attractive lass in jeans and a plaid sweater vest. Unless I'm waaaaay off the mark on what the average porn customer looks like, then these billing services must do some legitimate business too.

So what other uses are there for internet billing companies? Or should I just randomly approach late-20s women in jeans and sweater vests and ask if they too think that Videobox isn't posting enough anal videos?


I would think that any site that doesn't want to have to deal with paying credit card companies' processing fees directly would deal with some type of internet billing company like CCBill or Epoch. So probably quite a few smaller-type e-tailers, but the bigger ones would process the payments themselves.

11-24-10  09:17pm - 5141 days #45
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Well, let's just hope she doesn't! Maybe it is getting harder for the girls to be popular once they're tatted up.

However, there is a notable exception: Pre-tatted Emma Mae, who has just recently come on the scene and has done several hardcore scenes already. She's dazzlingly cute, but I just hope that she's doesn't add more ink to what's already there.


That's not quite what it is. What it is is that girls build up a fanbase based off of a certain image of them. If they alter that image, their original fans may (or may not) get pissed off and stop being fans, and the question becomes is the specter of losing fans worth the possibility of gaining them? So a girl that comes in already having tattoos generally doesn't have to worry about losing fans because they get any more, because their fans already knew they had them (especially when they come in already having larger ones). But someone who came in without any got some of their fans because they didn't have any, and they don't want to risk losing fans by getting some, especially when they can just wait until their career dies down/is over. You usually don't see this come into play with tattoos very much, but it's an issue a lot of the times when it comes to implants.

11-24-10  06:58pm - 5142 days #43
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Originally Posted by pat362:


That's what I meant. A Jenna hardcore shoot usually involved anal and often DP. Neither Faye or Lexi have really done these acts. Maybe a finger or a tiny toy but that doesn't compare with Jenna's work. Add the fact that Faye has only recently started doing a few B/G shoots with other guys than her boyfriend. It's hard to tell if Lexi is still active because it's really hard to find any new stuff from her.


Lexi's definitely still active. As a matter of fact, from reading her twitter, she seems to shoot quite often.

Edit: By the way, I've heard Faye Reagan say that she wants to get tattoos, but she's worried about what it would do to her career.

11-21-10  02:06pm - 5145 days #38
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


Pat....if you're viewing this post, take another trip to SkinVideo. Look Faye Reagan up. You'll see that messmer is right. She's doing it all.


Originally Posted by messmer:


I am a bit puzzled by this remark, Pat. I have all kinds of hardcore scenes with Faye Reagan (Valentine).


He doesn't mean hardcore as in solely b/g. He means hardcore as in things like anal and boy/boy/girl and DP, the harder sex acts. Neither of those girls does really any of that.

11-20-10  08:09pm - 5145 days #30
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Originally Posted by PinkPanther:


I don't see how Jenna was in any especially unique circumstance, aside from being Jenna and being someone that was really ambitious, but on her own terms. There are lots of companies that have contract girls. Lots of women have been contract stars and haven't followed Jenna's path. In fact, I can't think of anyone that has followed Jenna's path:

Started out as an anything-goes girl

Signed as a contract girl with the most Vanilla porn company around

Got in a relationship with a guy and stopped doing boy/girl porn for several years

Went back to being a VERY busy independent anything-goes girl

Did it all as an all-natural bod

Started her own porn company that only hires female performers with natural boobs.

Her role models in the industry, women that she looks up to more than anybody else, are Joanna Angel and Belladonna, both of whom are very independent and have carved very distinct paths for themselves, and both of whom are tatted up more than 90% of all the woman in the industry.


There WERE a lot of companies that had contract girls. Now, there are only about 4 or 5 (Digital Playground, Zero Tolerance, New Sensations, Adam & Eve, and whatever the name of the company that has Amy Fisher (yes, that Amy Fisher) under contract). And Zero Tolerance (Sarah Sloane/Vandella and Kagney Linn Karter) and Adam & Eve (Alexis Ford & Teagan Presley) both only have 2, and New Sensations only has 1 (Ashlynn Brooke). Vivid, THE studio for contract girls, has NO contract girls right now. Zero. Contract girls are, by and large, going the way of the dodo.

Edit: News around the porn world is that Zero Tolerance just dropped Sarah Vandella. So the number is now even lower. Edited on Nov 22, 2010, 06:24pm

11-20-10  10:11am - 5146 days #25
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Jenna Haze is the pornstar that every girl should emulate.
She started doing hardcore right away. She never altered her body and I'm sure there must have been some pressure to do so. She stopped doing hardcore for a few years and that helped her garner some new fans and then came back to do more hardcore.

All natural, small breast, no tattoos and an amazing porn performer.


Jenna Haze is a specific set of circumstances that I'm not sure will be duplicated again anytime soon. The most important of which was being contracted early on in her career, which meant she didn't have to worry about getting bookings while she was making a name for herself. With the basic current demise of the contract girl, in addition to the effects of piracy/recession on the porn industry (pick your choice) you're now in a situation that makes it very hard to follow that career path. Not impossible, but most girls just aren't going to be able to do it.

11-19-10  08:51pm - 5146 days #19
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I agree this is a generational thing. You older PU'ers don't seem to have much love for the tattoos or piercings, while the younger members, well, we'll take our ladies any way we can get them--in porn or real life! I don't think I could bring a girl home, find out she has a "sexy" tattoo or piercing only to say "Uh, I think you're going to have to leave. I don't like that." In fact the proper/polite response is a complement or an enthusiastic .

Maybe women have changed since your guys' days and we younger users don't want to be chastised for criticizing what they choose to do to their bodies. Or we're just don't care as long as we get laid. Who knows what will happen with the next generation (Gen Z? They're running out of letters) and in 15-20 years the youth will reject tattoos and multiple piercings as boring and cliche, asking "What the fuck were you guys thinking, mom and dad?"


I agree with this 173%.

11-15-10  09:40pm - 5150 days #2
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Unfortunately, the consumer en masse has proven time and time again that they really don't care about the quality or believability of a porn script. So why put forth the effort (and the money)? To use your example, why pay people to stand around as extras in that scene?

11-05-10  04:55pm - 5161 days #3
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Well, I can think of certain videos that meet this criteria, but not much in the way of entire websites. For example, "interactive" DVDs still get shot every so often with bigger name girls in them, and those usually don't have the guy talking at all.

10-23-10  10:02am - 5174 days #4
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Originally Posted by Colm4:


I hate them too, but I wonder why they can't just digitally remove them. Shouldn't be too hard would it?


From the little bit of work I've done (not this specifically, but video editing in general), it's not easy. You'd basically have to remove it frame by frame, and it would be hard to get the lighting right.

10-14-10  10:55am - 5183 days #55
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Yes, I agree. I doubt much will change. It's another flash in the pan.


It's not. The difference between last time and this time is that this time there's a well funded organization (AIDS Healthcare Foundation) that has been, for the past few months, trying to implore Cal-OSHA to mandate condom use on all porn sets. And this is exactly the type of incident they needed to try to "prove their point". From AVN:

http://business.avn.com/articles/AIDS-He...Down-AIM-400650.html

http://business.avn.com/articles/CalOSHA...ompliant-401733.html

The truth of the matter is that at least in SoCal (and probably in the US period), it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, and what the companies are going to do about it.

10-09-10  11:24pm - 5187 days #29
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Originally Posted by Toadsith:


This day has come and gone already: Traci Lords leapt that hurdle years ago, and nor was she the first. Marilyn Chambers immediately comes to mind, but she stayed in mainstream films only briefly before committing full-time to pornography. None-the-less, many pornographic performers have dabbled in mainstream film and of course Wikipedia has a list:

Wikipedia: Pornographic Actors Who Appeared in Mainstream Films

And just to be fair:

AmIAnnoying.com: Mainstream Actors Who Appeared in Pornographic Films

(and yes, Cameron Diaz actually does belong on that list.)


Traci Lords was mainstream, but I'd argue she wasn't all that popular, first of all. And second, and more importantly, she had to completely and totally renounce any and everything to do with porn before that happened. Not that porn would have anything to do with her after what she pulled anyway.

And second, I don't count a released sex tape as a "pornographic film". Yes, it's pornographic, but it's not a "film" any more than me going and shooting myself having sex is a "film". Which eliminates lots of the people on that second list.

10-07-10  11:59pm - 5189 days #19
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


Not my impression at all. Porn actors in the 70s and 80s were porn actors. Some of them tried to get into mainstream acting, once they became famous as porn acting. But no one that I know of actually made it big as a non-porn actor. A few porn actors had a minor career as regular actors, but that was as far as any of them got.

Except: a very few stars, early in their career, were involved in some porn.

Marilyn Monroe was supposed to be in one or more porn flicks before she became a star.

Sylvester Stallone was in a porn movie before he became a star.

But no actor became famous from the 70s or 80s as a porn star, and then became famous as a non-porn actor.


I meant it the other way around. That some of them had tried to become regular/mainstream actors, failed, and then became porn actors. Basically, back then people didn't really go to NY or LA to get into porn, they just fell into it. Girls like Marilyn Chambers, for example.

10-07-10  08:06pm - 5189 days #17
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Originally Posted by pat362:


Todays porn business knows nothing about that or doesn't care but it wasn't always that way. A large part of the porn from the 70's and 80's required actual acting talent.
that goes above repeating the words Oh God..Oh God while getting pile driven into the sofa by a faceless dick.


Isn't part of that because the porn actors of the 70s and 80s were usually "failed" stage and/or screen actors, as opposed to the porn actors of today who are young girls looking for a thrill or strippers looking to make a name for themselves?

10-04-10  09:23am - 5193 days #3
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Sex and Submission and/or Public Disgrace might have what you're looking for.

10-04-10  09:21am - 5193 days #4
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In the end, it's all about choice. Most of the places I've subscribed to that have that huge, high-def option, also have other lower quality options for people that value their hard drive space more (at least for video). And you can't really fault them for giving more options for how you want to watch their content, can you?

09-27-10  10:29pm - 5199 days #32
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Originally Posted by slutty:


malikstarks, I wasn't saying that these particular methods for obtaining free porn existed ten years ago, I was saying that there have always been ways to get free porn pretty much since people started running porn websites. If you think the people that are using the free porn sites like rapidshare now are doing so out of convenience, I think you are mistaken. Most of these folks are likely the same types of folks taht that were using Limewire ten years ago. My main point was that for those that want free porn, an avenue to get it has always been available - and these folks would probably rarely if ever pay for porn.

The fact that the industry is suffering at the same time that these tube sites and rapidshares are thriving shows perhaps a correlation, certainly doesn't prove any kind of causation.

The tube sites might aggravate the problem most likely caused by the economy, in my opinion and experience those willing to sort through all the crap you get off torrents, or rapidshares, or the crappy quality on tube sites probably wouldn't be paying for porn anyway. It is intersting that the rapidshare sites are ranked highly, however they are used for lots of illegal purposes besides porn (wares, movies, music, games, etc).


What you're discounting is the actual ease of finding this stuff. I'm going to be honest, I was a pirate back in the early part of this decade. It wasn't easy. At all. You had to use programs like Kazaa and WinMX and Direct Connect, which were not user friendly. If you were on anything less than DSL, you'd be waiting hours to get the stuff, as your speeds sometimes would be slower than if you were downloading directly from the website. It was something that was primarily for the people that were already tech-oriented, which wasn't really that large of an audience back then.

Now, as has been said, I can literally just Google a performer and an act, and within the first 2 or 3 pages of results, I can find a tube scene to watch of that performer doing that thing. It's so easy that anyone could do it. And there's no waiting for the scene to finish downloading to watch it, either. And within the first 5 or 6 pages, I'll probably find a link to download the file directly, too.

The movie and music industries have been able to deal with it better for a few reasons. First because they have more money for lawyers for take-down notices and lawsuits against companies hosting their content (Viacom vs. Youtube, for example). And second, because they have always worked together and had lobbying organizations to help protect their content (RIAA, MPAA). Porn has nothing that is really like either of those agencies. The "industry", as it were, most of the time acts as a large group of people who, while in the same industry, don't really want to help out their fellow companies. They have their own lawyers and are trying to figure out their own ways to stop piracy. This is actually one of the things they need to fix if they're going to make it through this tough time they are facing.

09-27-10  09:00pm - 5199 days #30
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Originally Posted by malikstarks:


If you think the business of "free porn" (and it is very much a business), resembles in any way what it did 10 years ago I don't know what to tell you.

For one thing, file hosting sites did not exist, at least not in there present form. Rapidshare-probably the oldest-was not even founded until 2006-and only this year-2010- became "one of the top 50 most visited sites in the world" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapidshare

Ditto for the tube sites, I won't name individual adult tube sites here (just to abide by the rules), but let's just say that Youtube-the gradfather of all the adult tube sites-was not even founded until 2005 and took at least a couple of years to become popular and spawn it's adult-tube offspring.

As both venues have increased in popularity/sophistication/ease of use-so the profits of the internet porn producers apparently taken a nosedive. This coupled with torrent sites, which I agree have been around for a bit longer (but have also made strides themselves).

As far as the economy, I don't know if it has decreased demand for porn so much as it has increased demand for free porn, and the activity on the free side imo has now so outpaced that of the pay side that is no longer sustainable.

Trust me, when a site like fileserve-a file host site that's probably only been around for less than a couple of years-can crack a top 150 most visted websites in the world. And not one adult pay site. Something's very wrong now, much more so than it has ever been.

I wish this were not the case,and of course there isn't much we can do about it, but I don't think we can simply ignore it, or write it off any longer.


And to add to this, as I was doing the stuff I talked about in the thread I just created (about Alexa rankings), I decided to look at some of the tube sites and see how they ranked. I found about 5 filesharing sites (like rapidshare and megaupload) and another 5 adult tube sites at least in the top 100 web pages in the world. All of them were above PirateBay, which is the BIGGEST torrent site in the world, in my opinion. While like most people, I do think there is a little bit of exaggerating on the part of the websites, but they are facing a problem that with piracy that they have to figure out how to solve, or else there's going to be a lot of sites that people thought were safe that are going to be going under.

09-27-10  05:44pm - 5200 days Original Post - #1
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I've been looking at Alexa ratings for various sites over the past couple days. There's really some interesting information there. So I thought it might be fun if people posted the Alexa rankings of their favorite porn websites. While Alexa isn't the "end all-be all" of internet traffic ratings, I think it's decently well trusted. And if anyone's wondering, PU is 112,414 and TBP is 25,622. I'm going to start out with what I consider to be the "big 4" American internet porn companies.

Brazzers Network: 527 (for brazzers.com)
Reality Kings: 706
Naughty America: 1387
Bangbros Network: 1594 (for bangbros.com)

09-26-10  04:05am - 5201 days #10
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Originally Posted by Capn:


The porn industry isn't just video, much as a lot of folk seem to think it is.

The market will evolve as it always does.

Scare mongering is a common weapon to get people to accept what you are saying as truth.

Mainstream hardcore video, is always going to be a battleground.
I think the road to success involves finding a niche and digging in.

Cap'n.


Says the person that likes niche content.

09-26-10  02:11am - 5201 days #8
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Originally Posted by slutty:


Unfortunately I don't think streaming is the solution, as most people just wont join the site then, I certainly wouldn't. It is an unfortunate situation, although I think somewhat overblown - people said MP3s would be the death of the music industry, but in the long term I think it has been good for them.

Why isn't providing DRM that allows permanent ownership (like iTunes originally did) more common? Perhaps it is easy to circumvent, but at least it is something and avoids the main complaint users have with DRM: most sites that use it require you to renew the license frequently.


The problem with that is that it only takes one person to crack the DRM for it to end up on tube sites and upload sites. And all DRM gets cracked, since there are people out there that sit there and try to crack it "for the lulz", or just because they can. In the end, there is some truth to the statement that DRM doesn't really stop pirates, and only affects the normal paying customers. The thing that has to happen for it to stop, to be honest, is that there needs to be a financial reason for these sites not to host copyrighted content. Right now, if a site gets caught with it, the site that owns the copyright sends them a notice, and they have to take it down at that point, but they can still let someone else upload it, and they are never punished unless they don't comply to takedown notices. If there were some way to fine/sue sites that continually host copyrighted content from other sites, the amount of piracy on them would greatly diminish.

09-23-10  09:43pm - 5203 days #9
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Can you tell me what makes the sex all by itself hot? I find that a sex scene is much more enjoyable if it isn't dragged out for twenty-five minutes and that's what happens if you don't have a lead-in of some sort. No matter how exciting the action may be originally, after five minutes I'm ready to see something else and I don't mean a different position by the same couple.

That's the same problem I have with the picture sets. Once you see a woman nude in, let's say 10 basic positions, then where is the excitement in seeing pictures that are close duplications of those ten?

I think you agree with me in this, I am just wondering what the definition of hot sex would be (for you) if that is all there is to a scene in a DVD?


What makes a scene hot for me is when the two (or more) people in it look to be really enjoying themselves. It doesn't matter if it's pro or amateur, what position they're in, or pretty much anything else for that matter. If they (and if I'm honest, the girl specifically) honestly seem to be enjoying themselves, I could watch the same two people in the same exact position for 20-30 minutes.

And as far as pictures, for me the excitement is not about seeing the girl naked (or not naked, or half-dressed, or etc.). It's about seeing what I think is a good photograph. I guess the best way to describe it is that I don't look at them as pornographic pictures, just as pictures, and I judge them the same as I would judge a picture I saw in "National Geographic".

09-23-10  05:57pm - 5204 days #7
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When it comes to photosets, I honestly don't care at all. To me, a good photo is a good photo whether she's clothed or naked, and I tend to judge each picture in a set separately. Of course, I'm not really that much of a photoset guy.

For videos, while I definitely prefer a setup, it doesn't necessarily have to be there. If the sex is hot enough, I could honestly care less what led up to it. But a good setup can make things better.

09-13-10  07:09pm - 5214 days #9
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Another site that has massages is FuckedHard18 (even though the name wouldn't give you that idea), and I actually prefer it to Massage Creep. Also, even though you don't like DVDs, lots of the internet porn companies also sell DVD compilations, so you might be able to find whatever scenes you want that way.

09-13-10  07:06pm - 5214 days #3
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MILF didn't really exist as a popular porn genre until American Pie made the term famous in the last 90s. Not to say that there weren't MILFs before then, but the teens have always been more popular.

09-07-10  09:38pm - 5219 days #3
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Originally Posted by Khan:


Sorry but we cannot accept a review based on free access. You are welcome to submit a Comment but it would be fair if you note in the Comment that your remarks are based on free access.


I understand the rule, and it does make sense (especially the part about asking for free memberships just to write reviews), I just think it's a little weird specifically because of how hard it is to actually enforce. If our discussion had been almost anywhere on the internet except this forum, more than likely no one here would have ever found out about it. With any review, you're basically just trusting that the user is telling the truth about how they got access, because you generally have little way of proving whether they are.

Edit: And to be honest, I don't really like the implication that I can't be impartial, but I understand it. It would be like saying a movie reviewer can't impartially review a movie because he watched it for free.

09-07-10  07:36pm - 5220 days Original Post - #1
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So through some luck and a very nice webmaster, I got access to a site for free. The site has no reviews, so I wanted to write one. But then I looked at the rules for writing reviews, and it specifically states that you cannot review a site based on free access. And seeing as this forum is where I got said access, even if I wanted to there's no way I would be able to deny it. But I believe that I can (and do) have an impartial opinion of the site. So do I go ahead and write the review anyway?

09-06-10  12:04am - 5221 days #49
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Originally Posted by Monahan:


You are incorrectly presupposing that the "neighborhood" can do anything at all about the 20 storey Islamic Cultural Center (which includes a small mosque). The permits have been issued and there's absolutely nothing anyone, other than the sponsors, can do about it.

Approximately 1/2 of the US Islamic community opposes the concept but, again, they have no ability to do anything other than express their opinion.

So I guess I don't understand your last sentence. No one can dictate what can be done on private land other than the NYC Planning Commission that has already approved the plan. Are you saying that what the Planning Commission did is Un-American?


No, I think he's agreeing with you. He's saying that what some politicians have been proposing to do (which is to find legislative loopholes to allow them to stop the building) is "unAmerican".

And unfortunately, at this point I think the thing probably isn't going to get built because I don't see how they're going to be able to get the funding to build it because of all the controversy. And my slippery slope argument would go along the lines of:

Okay, so two blocks away is too close. Then what's the line? 3 blocks? 4? The entirety of lower Manhattan? How close is too close, and how are you going to arbitrarily draw that line. Oh, and if Manhattan is anything like downtown Chicago (which I think it is), then 20 stories isn't all that visible. Especially depending on the other buildings around it.

09-01-10  11:30am - 5226 days #31
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Originally Posted by Admo:


HI SueAnn. But has much changed since this entry & is it true AW is going to Holland? If true it's a victory for the Zealotts & I'll sure miss those liberated Aussie babes esp Zasha! Don't know why they don't BAN SEX!


https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...d.html?threadid=1590

Yes, it's true.

08-31-10  12:10am - 5227 days #29
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Originally Posted by Yariana:


Respectfully, not all intellectual property owners are driving prices up just to be greedy and make huge profits. Not anymore than all porn collectors are stealing free porn. It isn't as though we are selling books that sit on a shelf in a book store and complaining if someone reads a few pages but doesn't purchase the book. Books that have metal strips in the binding so if someone walks out the door with them an alarm goes off.

It has often been said that our products make a lot of money because we produce them once and they are sold over and over and over. Not necessarily so when the bandwidth costs go through the roof when the memberships increase. If a producers bandwidth cost normally runs $500 per month and they wake up one morning to a $5000 bandwidth overage charge (speaking from experience here!) it can put a real damper on their ability to produce content for the next weeks update. Especially if they are a small production company just getting started.

Membership sites require frequent updates if producers expect to retain their subscribers. Producing updates weekly is very expensive and sometimes extremely hard to do if the costs are out of control. I often give away extended memberships and free months to frequent subscribers. I love our members and I love doing it.

Lately I have extended quite a few of my regular members a free months access because they have contacted me to explain they have to leave because of economic hardships. I feel for them. They have been with me since the beginning, and some for only a few months but they have been so supportive of me and I love them for that. They are not leaving because they want to, just because they are financially burdened.

It isn't always about the money, or about making the "Big Bucks." Sometimes it is just as simple as keeping one's head above water. And more importantly, believe it or not, it is sometimes just about caring for others.


So for some reason, I had waited until just now to see what site you are actually the webmaster of. And now that I have, it's time for a "funny" story. I'm the person that recommended your site get listed here. And I found out about it from a video on a tube site. Mind you, I don't go searching them. People send me links, I click on them, if I find them interesting I search out the sites they came from. Someone sent me a link to a video from your site, and I looked at it and said "I like this". The video wasn't the whole scene, just a few minutes of it. And I think there was a part where a female voice started talking over the scene, telling you where it was from, so I thought it might have been the actual webmaster uploading teasers and/or trailers. So I went to the site and looked at a few other trailers, and decided that it was a site I'd like to put on my list of sites to join in the future, and wanted to get it listed here to see if someone else would review it so I had an idea of what to expect inside. Unfortunately, like a lot of your members, times are hard for me too, and I haven't gotten around to it yet. I'd hate to see the site get taken down before I have the chance.

Long story short: There is (or at the very least could be) a use for something like a tube site for promotional purposes. But I can't stand behind full-scale piracy, and the fact that these sites hide behind international law and the DMCA has to stop. I don't know what the solution is, but hopefully there are smarter people than me working to figure that out.

08-28-10  11:12pm - 5229 days #41
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


LOL that is a GREAT idea.

It also brings me back to some of the points made in this thread. Yes, tons of atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, and some have been covered up in the name of religion. In the modern world the people protest against that behaviour and consider it disgusting and uncivilized. The difference with muslims is, their people seem to wholeheartedly support those atrocities. That is why I brought up the Salman Rushdie thing. Yes muslims seem quiet and civilized. Ask them about the Salman Rushdie fatwa or kiling someone for drawing a cartoon of their allah. This is the worrying thing. Their reaction to what they see as an insult to their religion is intolerant, dangerous, and disturbing. It is indeed like the religious dark ages where people were burnt and tortured.

I don't believe America or Britain are free countries. A lot of things are censored in the name of decency and fear of causing offense. I really feel for those people who are trying to get over 9/11 and then have a mosque built on, or next door to, their loved ones memorial. It is a real kick in the guts for them. But yes, it probably will happen. Some will not be hurt by it, but some will. I find it brutal and disgusting. I really feel sorry for those people.


I don't mean to be mean or anything, but it seems like your opinion of Muslims is based on what you've seen on television or read in newspapers. Have you actually met any Muslim people that have acted this way around you? If there's one thing that the media seems to be absolutely great at, it's telling half of the truth and not all of it.

08-25-10  10:28pm - 5232 days #23
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


I think sometimes we SHOULD have a problem assimilating foreign people and ideas. Take muslims for example. Being a muslim is more important to them than their country. They are muslim first. Looking at the example of the Salman Rushdie fatwa, they put out an order to kill him for something he said. I do not want the idea that it is okay killing someone for something they say, being assimilated into my country. This is why I regard them as dangerous and do not want them in my country. It's time we showed a little less understanding and tolerance towards that line of thinking. I consider they are centuries behind civilized behaviour. Their sort of thinking and ideas are so alien to us they are a danger to our people.

Lade edit - yes I am aware that Islam is a religion, not a race or people. But the last thing we should be doing is accepting foreign muslims whose ideas are centuries behind civilized thinking. Kill someone for drawing something? I think we need a little less tolerance and a little more condemnation.


I was going to go on this long diatribe about this point of view is what saddens me about America today, but it would have done nothing but depress me and start an argument that I'm not entirely sure I want to finish, so I'm gonna keep it short. I've known a decent amount of Muslim people in my life (more than 10, less than 100). And not a single solitary one of them has been anything like what you just described. And not all of them were born in the US, either. To me, saying all Muslims are like Muslim extremists is like saying all Southern Christians are like the Ku Klux Klan. And saying this mosque can't or shouldn't be built is like saying you shouldn't build a Catholic church two blocks away from 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama.

08-21-10  09:09am - 5237 days #3
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Originally Posted by Sevrin:


Live and let live. Ron isn't forcing anyone to watch him.


Agreed. If people were paying me well into my 50s to have sex with beautiful young women, no way in hell I would turn that down.

08-21-10  09:08am - 5237 days #14
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I'm going to break the monotony and say I don't care. I don't care if they're big or small, great or horrible. I've never seen a tattoo that would distract me from the naked girl I'm looking at. And I hate tramp stamps (lower back tattoos). Not so much aesthetically, but the monotony of them. Those got played out in the late 90's. If you're gonna get a tattoo, be original, don't be like everyone else.

And because I have a little experience in this area: When it comes to the under 18 crowd, sometimes you have a kid that's gonna get the tattoo whether you want them to or not. If you say no, they'll resent you, then turn around and either:

a.) Forge whatever permission slip is necessary (or get a fake ID)

b.) Wait until they're 18

and do it anyway. So you just go along with it, to make sure that you're part of the decision-making process so that they can (hopefully) make the smartest decision possible about what they're doing.

08-14-10  09:59am - 5244 days #5
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I've had Win 7 for a few months now, and never experienced the continuous lock up problem you are describing.

I don't like Win 7 as much as I liked Win XP. Maybe it's because my Win 7 is on a notebook PC, and it's my first notebook PC. But Win XP was just easier for me to use. I wish I had gotten it on my new notebook, but I didn't have a choice of operating system. And I don't want to pay hundreds of dollars to buy a copy of Win XP to install it on my notebook, not when the notebook only cost $500.

You buy the components of the $500 notebook separately (hardware and software), and the $500 computer will probably cost thousands of dollars. That's my impression.


You should check with whomever made your notebook, because a lot of computers nowadays come with a "downgrade license", meaning that if you want to, you have the ability to get a copy of Windows XP and downgrade to it for free.

08-08-10  10:20pm - 5249 days #43
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


Lorena isn't retired. She just isn't filming as much. She has new videos that came out this year and had over 10 in 2009. Also on the wikipedia link she was nominated for an AVN award in 2010.
Her filmography: http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=Lo...f/lorena-sanchez.htm


Check the date of production on those movies. Just because they are scenes that haven't been released doesn't mean they aren't scenes that were shot in 2008 or so. I've heard from a couple industry sources that she's retired, and has been for a while.

Edit: Not trying to be a dick, but to prove a point with an example:

http://www.iafd.com/person.asp?perfid=JJameson&gender=f

She retired in 2007. Hasn't made a movie since. Everyone knows this. IAFD has her having made 3 movies in 2008, 4 in 2009, and one this year. Edited on Aug 08, 2010, 10:33pm (hodayathink: Added example)

08-08-10  12:19am - 5250 days #28
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Originally Posted by graymane1777:


There are quite a number hardcore videos of Lorena on SkinVideo , along with providing some of the sources from which they were uploaded. I did a review on this site here not long ago.
But you're right, she's doing it all (in hardcore) now. It's sad to see this natural beauty taking what hardcore is dishing out these days.


In case anyone's wondering, Lorena Sanchez has been retired since I believe sometime around the middle of 2008 or so. Which sucks, because she was one of my favorites. And I'm glad she went into hardcore, because as much as I like a pretty photo, I like videos a whole lot more.

08-03-10  08:45pm - 5254 days #4
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Media Player Classic.

08-02-10  03:33am - 5256 days #4
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Originally Posted by slutty:


I remember seeing a barely legal DVD like 10 years ago where the chick took a piss on the dude's floor, and I was like what the fuck is this shit? And pissing was in every scene on the DVD - certainly not why I bought it, nor was it what I was looking for.


And I believe they kept that up for like the first 20-30 DVDs in that series (at least), and I believe they're up to 110 or so now. Damn time flies.

But to the original point, I think the biggest reasons you haven't seen the mainstream change as much as you may want is because of the recession. As much as I see comments around here all the time about how anyone with a camera can basically start shooting porn, it takes a good deal of money to start up a porn site. And it takes a lot of money to start one up with any sort of production values to it and a decent amount of consistent updates. So were really not seeing very much in the way of new sites out there producing high production value hardcore boy/girl scenes (which is basically the most expensive porn to shoot if you leave out multiple partners and anal).

When I look at the world of mainstream porn as it is right now, natural girls have honestly been making a comeback for the past 2-3 years. If you look at the recent recipients of AVN awards, no girl with implants has won Female Performer of the Year since 2007, and even most of the scenes that win the big awards (best girl/girl, best boy/girl (known as best couples), best anal) feature natural women. Unfortunately, that ended up coinciding with the economic downturn, which had 2 effects. The first was that not that many people had enough money to start a site. The second was that porn spending went down, so it became much harder for sites to get new members, especially brand new sites that didn't fit into some sort of niche. Which is why most new sites that have stayed alive are either niche sites or girl's own websites (where shooting content is really cheap). And, like the OP said, with bigger sites, you become afraid to change (or don't want to change) because what you're doing is what's selling for you right now. And in an extreme case such as Brazzers, for example, if they honestly went and featured natural girls to the point where it was even 50-50, they'd probably lose members in the short run, because many of the members they already have would become upset at the transformation, and they probably wouldn't gain that many members from the change. And honestly, most of you don't really consider a difference between a site that goes 50/50 real-to-fake and a site that goes 70/30 or 90/10.

As to why big fake tits became popular, part of the reason is that it is what was marketed. Can't deny that. But another part of it is the fact that porn is all about fantasy. Tons and tons of people watch porn to see (and vicariously do) things that they never get to do or see (or do very rarely) in real life. Which is why, for example, anal is so popular. And while natural girls are great, most of us see natural girls all around us every day. You know what we don't see? Girls with big tits in slutty outfits (unless we work in or very close to a strip club). And as much as you or me or most of the people here may care whether they're real or fake, I've found that there are a ton of people out there that don't (and for the record, I'm usually one of those people). There are other reasons, of course, but that's the most logical one that I've seen repeated. I think too often we get trapped in this mindset that "I don't like it, and most of my friends don't like it, so it can't be that popular", ignoring the facts that:

a.) There's a lot of people out there that are neither you nor your friends, and

b.) Your friends tend to be your friends because they have the same tastes as you, so they aren't the greatest starting point when it comes to statistical samples about opinions.

And to end this semi-coherent rambling, I'm going to touch on something that's annoying the crap out of me lately that's right probably right down your alley. Mainstream American porn is in trouble. At this point, there's almost no question of that. And no, it's not because they aren't shooting what people want. Because of that, companies (especially DVD companies) are either shutting down or shooting less movies. Which means there are less scenes around for girls to shoot. Which means unless you're one of the top 20-40 girls, you're getting paid less. Which has led to a lot of girls that have been around a long time as natural girls finally taking the plunge and getting implants. Why? Because new boobs mean more scenes to shoot for at least a 4-6 month period, if not longer. I personally have nothing against implants when they don't go overboard (which, honestly, a lot of them do, but not all). I just wish that some of these girls could have stayed natural, because while they still look good, they looked great before (Rebeca Linares, I'm looking directly at you).

07-30-10  10:49pm - 5258 days #15
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Originally Posted by killahla:


I've always wondered how those adult sites that allow users to upload movies are able to get away with it without being shut down. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free porn, but from a legal aspect, it just doesn't seem feasible.


Digital Millennium Copyright Act. And more specifically, the Safe Harbor rule. Basically, it says that it's up to the copyright holder to enforce their copyright, and the site is not liable for copyright violations for what the users upload as long as they remove the content when they're informed it violates copyright. It's the same reason Youtube doesn't get sued when people put whole TV shows and songs/music videos on there.

07-28-10  07:47pm - 5261 days #8
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


I believe it's stupid for Paypal to refuse business because a purchase somehow involves porn (or what Paypal considers to be porn). But for Paypal to penalize a large number of customers without a solid reason, would be beyond its regular stupidity.


The reason Paypal doesn't (or didn't, as the case may be) allow people to purchase porn is because porn has the highest percentage of chargebacks of any type of online service. By a lot. And as the payment processor, they lose money on chargebacks, so they just decided they didn't want to deal with it.

07-20-10  09:05pm - 5268 days #9
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If anyone wants to find out a little more about Lorelei (and read some of her writing/storytelling), here you go:

http://therumpus.net/2009/02/an-oral-history-of-kink/

And as far as I can find, she's actually going to NYU for creative writing.

07-19-10  09:57pm - 5269 days #4
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I think we'll have to start seeing bandwidth get much cheaper from a business perspective before sites increase their download speeds. As for what you can use that speed for, right now it's basically concurrent downloads (like, for example, torrents, which do have some legal uses), and maybe connecting to some private servers that don't but bandwidth caps on each connection.

07-11-10  10:00pm - 5277 days #2
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Talked to Hillary Scott on the phone for a couple minutes once last year. Same with Penny Flame once in 2008. Never in person, even though I was once in Vegas for the Adult Entertainment Expo.

07-07-10  01:06am - 5282 days #3
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VLC is great. GIMP is also very good for basic image manipulation.

07-07-10  01:03am - 5282 days #5
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Originally Posted by slutty:


Not to start some sort of politcal debate, but I think you are giving Obama way too much credit here. I don't think the president has the control over federal prosecutors that you think he does.

Either way, as an "Obama lefty", I have no real problems with anything this adminstration has done so far (aside from no public option, which is stupid - there should be one)


Also, if I remember correctly, Stagliano's obscenity trail goes back to before Obama was even elected.

Yup. Just checked Wikipedia. Charges were brought against him in April of '08, well before the election even happened. Nice try.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stagliano

07-04-10  09:20pm - 5284 days #15
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Originally Posted by pat362:


yes, but then again it would have to be simply to make it's money back. I'd be surpsised if your above average porn movie cost more than 20,000$ to make. Pirates was 50 times more expensive. The only reason why they can claim that it made so much money is because they sold the soft version to hotels and so forth. In my book pirate is not a very good porn movie because it's more spoof than actual sex.


From what I can tell, the average gonzo porn scene costs about $3,000 to $4,000 to shoot (between paying male talent, female talent, equipment costs, location costs, etc.). So shooting a five to six scene gonzo movie probably costs that much. But when it comes to legit porn "features", I wouldn't be surprised if they start off at $50-100K. And you're right in that the reason they spent that much was because they knew that they could sell it to hotels and whatnot. Hell, I actually saw a copy of Pirates in my local Blockbuster (on Blu-Ray, no less). Getting that type of market penetration (pun slightly intended) with any porn movie is really valuable, really hard, and takes a good deal of money.

And because I actually liked some of the sex in the movie, Pirates was a decent porn movie that just went a little too long (but then again, that's what the fast forward button is for).

07-02-10  09:47pm - 5286 days #6
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Originally Posted by pat362:


I'm still baffled why they spent one million dollar to make that movie which is essentally a spoof of Pirates of the Carribean.


Because it ended up being one of the highest selling porn movies of all time.

07-02-10  09:46pm - 5286 days #21
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Originally Posted by justme:


hehe

There is a video clip somewhere of a porn sex scene that should be taking place but instead Evan Stone is all cuddled up in a Snuggie on the couch reading a book, he doesn't want to give it up to go have sex. Ron Jeremy overhears them, offers to replace Evan in the sex scene, though Evan starts telling Ron how great the Snuggie feels "it's like being inside a vagina". Ends with Evan & Ron together under the Snuggie while the girl standing off to the side in disgust of both of them


Okay my descriptions are bad, the vid is better but don't know if it's out anywhere...


I've seen the video you're talking about, it was a segment taped for the 2010 AVN awards and it was pretty hilarious.

06-30-10  02:55pm - 5289 days #9
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Originally Posted by messmer:


... Evan Stone, Lee Stone, ? Janeiro, Dirty Harry, Ron Jeremy .. that's it for a start!


If Evan Stone retired, I would be pretty sad, because I, for one, find that guy hilarious. Everyone else on this list I could do without.

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