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asmith12 (0)
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Thanks for warning.
Do you remember what was their credit card processor? Wasn't it Epoch by any chance? I've seen such thing (which I think is nothing short of swindling) a few times recently, and I think it was Epoch all (or at least most of) the time.
Moreover, I'm not even sure if webmasters of original sites get anything from such "trials"; it would be very interesting to see a comment from one of them here (and if Epoch is doing it without consent of webmasters, it can easily find themselves in a DEEP TROUBLE; such company as Diabolic won't hesitate to sue Epoch in such case).
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01-08-08 02:04pm
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #1 - asmith12 :
I too have seen it on Epoch billing pages, but in this case it was BillFame.com, though interestingly enough the trial fee was billed through a different site called PABill.com. They are both owned by Dream Invest Ltd. So I guess they choose whatever name they like, I dunno.
If the billing companies are doing this without the consent of the webmasters that is extremely unsavory, but generally the trial sites seem to be owned by the same owner of the sites that I'm subscribing too, so I'm guessing it is an option the webmaster chooses. I would love for the webmaster to chime in and explain the mechanics of practice - but I'm guessing that probably isn't going to happen.
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01-08-08 02:16pm
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asmith12 (0)
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REPLY TO #2 - Toadsith :
I see, thanks. Things are much worse than, with CCBill probably being the only trustworthy processor to date (at least it wasn't caught doing it - I think they're doing almost the same thing but with checkbox unchecked, and it IMHO changes things dramatically from swindling to not so annoying upsell) :-(.
> generally the trial sites seem to be owned by the same owner of the sites that I'm subscribing too
I used to think so too until I've run into Epoch using the same technique on purchase of Diabolic site selling PornStarsTop, and these 2 sites don't seem to be related (I'd even say they're from very different leagues).
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01-08-08 03:08pm
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #3 - asmith12 :
To be honest, I've probably only subscribed to about 5 sites that use Epoch - and probably damn near a hundred that use CCBill (far and above my favorite), so my experience with checkout deals has probably been rather rosy by comparison. Still - I'm going to start checking closer on all the trial offers I see on checkouts (up-sells or unsavory swindles) and I'll try to determine the owners. I'm hoping this opt-out trials trend will die out soon when more and more customers start complaining about it online - but I'll report any sketchy ones I see so both users and webmasters alike can be aware of what is happening on the checkout screens.
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01-08-08 03:17pm
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asmith12 (0)
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REPLY TO #4 - Toadsith :
> I'll report any sketchy ones I see
Thanks in advance; this is what this site is for :-).
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01-08-08 03:19pm
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