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jd1961 (0)
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Forgive my ignorance, but when you say "referred", do you mean redirects?
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04-09-08 02:50am
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Drooler (Disabled)
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I think that porn portals have the obligation to refer visitors to sites that are at least FUNCTIONAL, yet I've wound up at sites that, once I joined, had such slow servers (and sometimes very poor quality content) that it was impossible to benefit from the membership.
And the only parties that do benefit in that case are the sites being joined and the portals that refer visitors to them (paid by the click).
Of course, you may say, "Well, caveat emptor, Drooler. You should have known better," and I'd agree you'd have a point. Just the same, I don't think it's that simple, meaning we shouldn't allow such portals to just get off scot free. I doubt anyone here would agree that it's simply OK for portals to refer visitors (us) to sites that don't work or barely work.
My answer is "No, but I've considered it." Once I've been screwed, I make it a point to visit the portal less often, and I only click when I can rationalize it as a possible opportunity for myself now that some time has passed in which I've deprived the portal of as much opportunity to make money on click-throughs as it would have had, had it not referred me to a dicey site.
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04-09-08 02:55am
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Drooler (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #1 - jd1961 :
It can include redirects. By "referred" I mean that the portal (erohtica being one example), links to sites that visitors may go to, however the links may work (direct links in same window, in a new window, etc.).
The point is that these portals make money from visitor's clicks. I think they should be held accountable for some baseline of quality standards of the sites that they refer to. I think the referrals should be viewed as implicit recommendations.
If the portals are going to gain financially, then they do have a reciprocal responsibility. They shouldn't just be able to "plead ignorance" and claim that they have no control over it.
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04-09-08 03:00am
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PinkPanther (0)
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Since I can find similar info at a number of review sites, the number of review sites that I spend any time on are the ones - well, actually one - this one and The Best Porn - that I feel really make an attempt to give accurate info. There is good discount site info at Rabbits Reviews, I think it is.
Other "review" sites tend to just be advertising vehicles hoping that you'll join the sites through their link so they pick up an affiliate fee. I'm sure that TBP also makes money that way, but it certainly doesn't stop TBP from striving to do honest reviews.
Raven Riley's reviews page is a perfect example of one that I believe exists solely as an affiliate page, and I would have more respect for that whole thing if it presented itself that way.
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04-09-08 07:03am
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Denner (0)
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Not really sure what Drooler means with porn portal? (Sorry about my internet ignorance)
Is that TBP, Porn Inspector ect.?
Or is it quite small ones like for exampel theNude.eu (guess the Drooler knows that one) and/or all the other amateur-sites where you get a lot of thumbnails for some free photos/clips that also redirect you to the site these photos/clips come from?
I saw(on national swedish tv-news)a story about this 19-year old swedish guy with a site something like porn.se (.se for Sweden) who contacted his local IRS and wanted to declare about 5 million dollars in income from his web-site - money from paysites his own site has redirected visitors to...
(I might consider to stop beeing a normal employee)
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04-09-08 07:17am
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messmer (Disabled)
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I plead ignorance as well. I've never heard of porn portals before this. Do you mean web sites that have thumbnails of models and when you click on the one you are interested in you are frequently being re-directed to a completely different site? I didn't vote because I'm not sure if that's what you mean.
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04-09-08 08:16am
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Khan (Suspended)
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REPLY TO #6 - messmer :
messmer said:
"Do you mean web sites that have thumbnails of models and when you click on the one you are interested in you are frequently being re-directed to a completely different site?"
I can't answer for what Drooler meant in his initial question but ...
What you're describing is a TGP (Thumbnail Gallery Post) and *many* of them operate with a redirect script running for traffic exchanges. Typically the webmaster will set what percentage of the traffic (clicks) is redirected. When the percentage is set very high, you may hear the site referred to as a CJ (Circle Jerk).
Not having to put up with such tricky redirects is one of the advantages of joining pay sites.
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04-09-08 09:08am
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Khan (Suspended)
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REPLY TO #2 - Drooler :
Drooler Said:
... and the portals that refer visitors to them (paid by the click)."
For the record, there are hardly any sites that are earning "by the click" any more. While it was common in the early days of the adult web, rampant abuse caused almost all sponsor programs to go to a performance based model .. in other words, affiliates only get paid when someone actually joins.
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04-09-08 09:25am
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #8 - Khan :
I gotta say the performance model makes for one plan I always wanted to try. If you sign up and become an affiliate of whatever site you were planning on joining, you could get back most of your money. However, I'm too lazy and have never done it.
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04-09-08 09:29am
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #7 - Khan :
That's how I feel, too, Khan. There's a lot of good stuff out there that can be obtained for free but it takes a lot of work, especially with all the CJ sites (as you referred to them.) It's enough to make you extremely irritable when you are being passed from one CJ site to the other. I knew that they were generally referred to as TGP but never having heard of sex portals they're the only thing I could think of. I don't think of TBP as a Portal (or any of the other review sites) so I'm still stumped! And three cheers for pay sites!
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04-09-08 09:37am
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #3 - Drooler :
Just found out what you meant by Porn Portals, drooler, by going to erohtica. I didn't bother earlier on because I thought you had made a spelling error! Are there many more portals like it?
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04-09-08 09:53am
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Khan (Suspended)
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REPLY TO #9 - Toadsith :
Toadsith, this isn't really the place to discuss webmaster affiliate programs at length but I'll just say that most programs have a minimum payment that would prevent that from working as just a way to get discounted memberships.
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04-09-08 10:10am
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Drooler (Disabled)
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Sorry to all about the confusion as what I meant by "portals." I gave erohtica as an example. Others, just to name a few, are thenude.eu, whatpornsite, eurobabeindex, thebestporn, pornusers (bein' us), etc.
In other words, any site that's not a pay site that refers you to other sites that are pay sites. Funny, I thought I was the ignorant one for not having known what a portal was myself until I'd seen "portal" used as a generic term enough that I thought I wouldn't have to explain it. Yahoo, for instance, is a kind of "portal" since it groups sites into categories to make access more convenient.
Portal - a passageway to another place. I'm betting that's a decent off-the-cuff definition. Port, port hole, Portugal, opPORTunity ... I'm taking this too far. It's been a weird week.
But thanks Khan for the clarification on the performance model vs. the formerly popular "by the click" one. I'd guess that the "click farms" were part of the reason why that model couldn't survive. I'm always learning something here.
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04-09-08 12:02pm
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Drooler (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #11 - messmer :
I'd say that erohtica is one of the best in terms of the way it's organized. There are often several free samples of photoshoots from some of the sites listed there. It was from them that I discovered larger pic sizes (2000px) recently at danni, for instance. But I've also run into some disappointing sites from them, too, and a new poll idea (this one) came into my mind.
I mentioned a few others in a reply just before this one. These "portals," for lack of a better term, at least that I could come up with, are a varied lot.
A couple more are pimpilicious and whichpornstar.co.uk. I keep these in my "What the Hell" bookmarks.
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04-09-08 12:27pm
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #12 - Khan :
Oh well, it seemed like a good idea at the time :-P
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04-09-08 01:10pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #14 - Drooler :
Thanks, drooler, the sites you mentioned, plus some of the others in your reply to someone else, have been duly bookmarked and will be studied at great length. I knew about Portals, I use Netscape and iGoogle and Yahoo for Portals but didn't know that Porn Portals existed. Honestly!
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04-09-08 02:50pm
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pat362 (0)
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I haven't but I don't often click on those redirect anyway since I either know about the site or will go check out a review and use that has my portal to the site.
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04-09-08 05:34pm
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PinkPanther (0)
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I was thinking that the poll was referring to sites that present themselves as review sites, but now that I understand what was meant, my answer is even more definitely "yes", because not only are some porn portals full of redirects and bad sites, but many are also filled with viruses of all kinds.
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04-09-08 06:20pm
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Davit (0)
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Can't say I've ever decided to stop using these 'portals' as they are apparently called, as I never make a mental note of which ones are which.
If I'm on the lookout for some fresh porn, I usually start either here at PU, or do some googling to see what is thrown up. Inevitably this throws up lots of crappy 'portals' that end up directing me to Sapphic Erotica or Lez Cuties or whatever, but I tend to recognise the girls in the thumbnail links from these original sites now, so its easy to predict where I'm about to be led before clicking - which means I don't bother clicking in those instances (because I've already been there many times!).
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04-10-08 02:28am
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jd1961 (0)
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REPLY TO #2 - Drooler :
Well, if you really want to get even, when you find a site you like on that portal, don't click the link, type the URL in and join that way.
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04-10-08 04:32am
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jd1961 (0)
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REPLY TO #3 - Drooler :
Thanks. If I understand you properly, i don't use portals to join sites, although i will look at them to find sites sometimes. If I do find a site, I go directly to TBP to find out about it.
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04-10-08 04:37am
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Jay G (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #8 - Khan :
Dear Kahn,
Your input is a big part of why I love porn users. I feel I'm getting a really great education in a subject I really care about (porn). Thanks for the info!
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04-10-08 09:00am
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Drooler (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #20 - jd1961 :
Yes, that's always a good idea. Just a speck of inconvenience for that "payback moment."
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04-10-08 11:43am
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Drooler (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #21 - jd1961 :
I don't usually use them to join sites, either. If I find a new one, I check the review sites first for info. But I have stuck my neck out a few times and had the site listed at TBP/PU, joined (usually regetted it), and usually wrote a review. Bad little habit, that. Making a mental note to break that one.
I'd say it's time to let someone else be the "pioneer." I'm all covered in trail dust.
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04-10-08 11:48am
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
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Funny, I'm a big fan of TGPs but have never heard the term CJ before. It's very fitting! You wanna really get jerked around, try surfing the Japanese TGPs. (Actually, don't.)
There are some TGPs that never redirect, as far as I know. Wild-Cherries and DD's Heartbreakers are two that, in my experience, never re-direct. I liked Sublime Directory until it turned into a quagmire of re-directs and other nasty crap.
**edit: put dash in Wild-Cherries to avoid linking to a different site of that name.
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04-10-08 10:42pm
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nygiants03 (0)
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when you join a portal, it is obvious there are always going to be some poor sites. So, it really does not bother me, because I know what to expect.
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04-13-08 07:38pm
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