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Toadsith (0)
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Looks like an interesting site, I may have to check it out sometime in the future. Though it appears to have the same basic downfall of the amateur style that Abby Winters has, many cute models but very, very few beautiful models. At least as far as the photos they put in their tour.
The photography also appears to be sub par in technical skill when compared to Simon Scans or Abby Winters (in my opinion the big two in this genre) and your description seems to confirm this. (Am I right about that?) Still, photo shoots with less of an agenda can sometimes capture some very interesting moments. Plus, the site does seem to have a huge variety of models - more varied than either of the aforementioned sites - so that is appealing.
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05-07-08 03:15pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #1 - Toadsith :
I believe that the technical skill is there and is being used, toadsith. The difference is that they make no attempt to create art. It's a "raw" site and to someone like me who is tired of very beautiful models shot in very tasteful poses it is a breath of fresh air. The photography is crisp and clear, so technically there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Esthetically maybe (feet of photographer showing etc.) but I'm tired of aesthetics. That's exactly why I wrote what I wrote. Perfection turns me off these days, I see too much of it in another very highly rated site that I subscribe to and which I have visited about three times since the beginning of last week in order to check their updates ... without finding anything to download. All those gorgeous teenies in all their blandness. I wish that, in their case, I had stuck to my usual "subscribe for a month routine" because I have two more months of Barbies left. But, to use the old cliche: chacun a son gout! That's why I hope I made it crystal clear in my review what the site is all about. I wouldn't want to mislead anyone into subscribing to a site that goes totally against their taste. Just to stress it again: the models are mostly ordinary next door type girls/women (I hope I won't insult them with that remark) but that is exactly their attraction for me. Keep in mind that this review is coming from the pen of a guy who wouldn't know a Jenna Jamieson if he tripped over her and judge accordingly. :-)
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05-07-08 06:33pm
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #2 - messmer :
Thanks for the clarification - it validates my estimation of the content from their preview pages. I thoroughly understand how you've tired of the "perfect" model look, it can get boring. Years ago I was a member of both MET Art and Hegre Art (back when it was called the Hegre Archives) with year long subscriptions to each. By the time the year was up, just about the last thing I wanted was to look at another glamour girl posing in a window. So I joined a few ATK sites, and that was a nice departure from the glamour model look.
As for the technical aspects of the photography - I guess I'm a bit of stickler about that. A number of people like the poor photography that sometimes shows up on Suicide Girls (which I've been a member of off and on for years) - it always drives me nuts. It isn't just a matter of the photos being crisp and throughly in focus - modern autofocus is so superb that the camera will handle that just fine as long as there is even remotely enough light. An old Sony I had actually projected a laser matrix in front of it and would autofocus in nearly pitch black.
Even with "grit" porn, I expect a certain artistic focus. So you want to do aggressively unorthodox photos and put the photographer's feet in the photo? Fine - but make that style a continuing theme throughout the site. In the preview photos I see photos that could use much color balancing, plus others with washed out colors, flash shadows and so on. Many of the photos look like they want to be smoother, they just aren't.
If you want it to be gritty - photograph it at high ISOs. Throw various objects in the extreme foreground that we have to look past. Give us bizarre angles, like overhead or underneath shots. Photograph using just the on camera flash - or light the scene with a TV. There are tons of fun ways to look amateur while being professional - I just get frustrated by content that looks professional with some amateur seeping through.
Frankly, early Hegre Art stuff had a lot of that problem, he has come a long way over the years. I don't know how young Girls Out West is - maybe they too will improve with time, or maybe they know what they are doing and it just won't ever be quite to my taste. I'll join at some point in the future and try it out, a number of the models do look rather interesting.
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05-07-08 07:08pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #3 - Toadsith :
You are making many good points, toadsith and I agree with most of what you say. When it comes to GOW I'm convinced that it's no accident that a video will show the videographer hand the model a bottle of body lotion while she's doing a slow strip, or to see her knees and feet as she is laying down for a shot from a floor angle. Is it laziness, I just can't be bothered to edit out these scenes or is it by design? As I said, I think it's by design (a continuing theme) that's why I keep referring to the site as "raw" for lack of a better word. A studied casualness?
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05-08-08 08:07am
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Toadsith (0)
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REPLY TO #4 - messmer :
"A Studied Casualness", good term - yeah, that might not be up my alley, but I'll have to check it out none-the-less. I'm certainly quite used to casual style in videos, I'm just usually less of a fan in photos. I guess, I won't know for certain until I browse the site for a while. Thanks for all the info :-)
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05-08-08 09:01am
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williamj (0)
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Its on the radar for later this summer. Thanks for the great review.
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05-08-08 09:43am
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #6 - williamj :
You're welcome. Hope my taste won't let down your taste. :-)
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05-08-08 11:31am
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williamj (0)
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REPLY TO #7 - messmer :
Currently A memember of AbbyWinters, I did the special they where offering
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05-08-08 12:13pm
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
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Good review. I might check it out in the future.
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05-08-08 05:55pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #9 - WeeWillyWinky :
Thanks, www. I think one of the sites selling points for me is that it is so different from the others. A raunchier Abby Winters as I wrote in my comment way back.
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05-09-08 06:55am
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BabyGetReal (0)
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Hey, messmer, I am intrigued by your review of GOW. However, I mostly like b/g scenes, not so much g/g or solo. Ramscrota says "The BG scenes are pathetic". What do you have to say about the BG scenes (knowing my tastes from my profile, and the forum thread "against the grain"). What might be pathetic to some may be just my cup of tea. Thanks!
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07-28-09 04:57pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #11 - BabyGetReal :
Hi, I would not subscribe to GOW for any g/b scenes. There's only a tiny number of them. In GOW's case I subscribed mainly for the g/solos and g/g contents so I can't comment on the quality of the b/g scenes.
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07-28-09 06:13pm
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BabyGetReal (0)
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REPLY TO #12 - messmer :
Thanks for the quick reply, messmer. Meanwhile, I looked at GOW's B/G trailers, and I love them. So I think I'll give it a go anyway. I assume that ramscrota's problem is a preference for more typical hardcore fastpaced banging, just what I don't like. But maybe ramscrota will comment, I hope.
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07-28-09 06:19pm
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messmer (Disabled)
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REPLY TO #13 - BabyGetReal :
Well, maybe you'll feel about GOW the way I felt about Anilos. After I had downloaded clips and videos of four of my favorite models I felt that I had gotten my money's worth. I know that you'll be able to download GOW's b/g clips in one day, but if you find something that really appeals to you then it will be worth it, won't it? Good luck. GOW is highly regarded by my because of the naturalness of its models!
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07-28-09 06:25pm
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