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| 01-04-10 07:36pm - 5428 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
The Sorry State of Porn Today Let me apologize in advance if this thread already exists on this forum. I'm a newbie here and I need to vent. So here goes. After viewing several heterosexual porn sites I want to know; when did the attention shift from female performers to males? I dont understand it, and I find it very annoying. Every site I've subscribed too recently (Reality Kings, Brazzers, Bang Bros, Porn.com to mention a few) seem to focus non-stop on the male performers and their idiotic behavior. As a result, some of the photo sets and most of the videos are unwatchable (in my opinion). I've seen countless videos on these sites where the males talk non-stop; they NEVER shut up. They barge their way into the intros and interviews with the female performer, all the time making faces at the camera and flashing hand signs. When the intros are over and it's time for the female to strip, it's impossible to get a good look at her body because the whole freaking crew (cameraman, the hired dick, everyone on the set) starts grabbing ass and pawing tits. Its a numbnuts free-for-all. Most of us subscribe to these sites to watch beautiful women perform. And some of the sites I mentioned feature some really attractive women. But, what do we get for our hard earned cash? We get to see the tatoos on the arms and hands of the numbnuts' who can't control themselves (or be controlled by the director) long enough for the viewers to enjoy these attractive women too. Also, the camerawork on most videos is pathetic. The camera angles chosen, the cropping, closeups, show way too much male anatomy and not enough of the females. Sorry, but I dont subscribe to porn to watch some guys pasty, pale, hairy ass and balls rock back and forth. We want to see the WOMEN. Dont these idiots get it? Or, maybe they just dont care about their subscribers. It's as if they are saying: "This is what we do, take it or leave it." That reminds me. WTF is up with all of the violence? (choking, slapping, spitting in peoples faces, gangbangs) New videos on some of these sites feature scenes with more d*cks than p*ssy; there are so many males in the video it looks like prison sex! You have to literally search for the female. Hey, I understand some people really enjoy that, and there are porn sites that specialize in that niche. Thats fine. But, why is this stuff creeping into so many scenes on sites that are not geared for that niche? Yes, I understand some of the sites and networks I referred to are considered "Reality" porn and feature ongoing characters (mostly males) and themes for our entertainment. But, that still does not justify the idiotic behavior I listed in this rant. Also, many of the same issues/problems can be found in other genres of porn. (Please, don't get me started on Euro-porn and their unending fixation with DP scenes). Sheesh! In conclusion, I honestly believe this knuckle dragging, steroid munching, gangbanging, thuggish acting, numbnuts mentality is ruining the porn industry. Well, maybe not for everyone; but it's definitely killing it for me. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-04-10 08:56pm - 5427 days | #2 | |
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markfx (0)
Active User Posts: 21 Registered: Sep 28, '09 Location: Oakland, Ca |
Excellent first post and I completely agree. The directors need to STFU. I also don't need close-ups of the stunt dick's face. I also feel the violence and debasement of the women is unnecessary and I don't find it stimulating. Mark | |
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| 01-04-10 09:06pm - 5427 days | #3 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Thanks for your input. I do appreciate the response. Sometimes I wonder if it's just me or what? It good to hear what others are thinking too. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-04-10 09:57pm - 5427 days | #4 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
What you are seeing is the evolution of what's known as gonzo porn - and, yes, it sucks. Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. | |
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| 01-04-10 10:19pm - 5427 days | #5 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
:) Anyways, completely agree. And as such I gave up on hardcore porn years ago, switched to girl-only porn. Best decision I ever made porn-wise. But definitely do check out what European porn sites have to offer, they don't have all the bullshit the meathead American sites have. | |
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| 01-04-10 10:30pm - 5427 days | #6 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
Douche bags run the world, or at least the world of porn. :( That's the short answer, and the long answer is in sites like the ones you mentioned and the so many countless others out there. Sad but true. We at PU have talked endlessly about, well, guys talking in porn and most of us are pretty frustrated with it, not to mention all the other sins you mentioned. I wish these assholes would take a lesson from the 1983 version of "Scarface": "Don't get high on your own supply." Okay, they're dealing in the perverted arts and not drugs but the same basic lesson applies: keep your goddamn hands to yourselves so the customer has a chance to 'enjoy' the product! I gave up on a lot of hardcore porn a long time ago and my favorite sites are now girls only and girl-girl (not truly lesbian, but marketed as such). I know a lot guys find these to be boring but I like to think that they are quite relaxing. Why? Simple; no guys, no goofballs, no boners (both meanings apply here), and no bullshit. I am afraid if you want to see the women then you have to see that the guys take a fucking hike. Unfortunately many of these girls only sites have male help but if you're lucky they are kept quiet and off camera. A few suggestions for guy-free porn: - InTheCrack: All girl content, little-to-no talking, and they warn if even a guy's hands are involved in a scene - ALSScan and it's sister site ALS Angels: Again all girl content, but a lot of BTS videos with dudes talking and appearing on camera - AbbyWinters: Yes, it's all girl as well, and may have quite a few female employees, but it's well liked by some here at PU, though it has been accused of being boring the last few months and has also been in some trouble "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove Edited on Jan 04, 2010, 10:34pm | |
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| 01-04-10 11:16pm - 5427 days | #7 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
Yes, everything you mention is what killed porn for me quite a long time ago. Not that there isn't good stuff to be found - it's just too damn time-consuming and expensive to seek it out. If an alien race observed the average modern porn flick, they would have no idea that sex between humans was something that caused very pleasant physical sensations and was for most people a healthy, positive thing. Modern porn seems to ignore the fact that sex feels good, and focuses instead on aggression, violence, degradation, humiliation, and juvenile macho bullshit. **and yes, those are panties on my head... You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 01-05-10 02:47am - 5427 days | #8 | |
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lespaul76 (0)
Active User Posts: 1 Registered: Jul 07, '07 Location: AZ |
Totally agree and one thing that got old real quick is how every damn movie seems to end with the guy jacking himself off at the end. I mean, HELLO, there's a hot chick on her knees in front of you and you can't cum unless you jack yourself off. Totally kills the scene(s) for me. As far as the shooters needing to shut up they just need to take a cue from the early Vince Voyeur Rain Coaters series to see how it's done. Like said before too, there is good stuff out there but it's just like trying to find a needle in a haystack it seems. | |
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| 01-05-10 05:13am - 5427 days | #9 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I agree that so much gonzo is poorly done and not very erotic. I mostly look for certain niches that I find interesting. The sex may be formulaic, but at least you get a lot of whatever the niche is. | |
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| 01-05-10 06:53am - 5427 days | #10 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Justme, Thanks for responding. I think you have the right idea about switching to girl-only porn. From now on, I want my porn numbnuts free! Someone recommended the site IntheCrack. Think I will check it out. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 06:57am - 5427 days | #11 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Turboshaft, Thanks for the insight. Your assessment of hardcore porn and it's ongoing issues is spot on. Thanks again. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 06:59am - 5427 days | #12 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
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| 01-05-10 07:04am - 5427 days | #13 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
lespaul76, Dude, you are so right about that. Every scene does end with the guy jacking off and a facial cum shot. I am so sick of that crap! I appreciate your response; and yes i will have to search a little harder to find some good stuff. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 07:07am - 5427 days | #14 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
mbaya, Thanks for respondin. I've tried to do the same thing ('look for certain niches I find interesting') but even then they find a way to ruin it. I guess I need to keep on searching. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 07:15am - 5427 days | #15 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
RagingBuddhist, Thanks for your input and words of wisdom. "Gonzo porn", thats what they call it? Well, I think it needs to crawl back into the cave or back under the rock it came from. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 10:46am - 5427 days | #16 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
There are all sorts of niches, which come & go out of fashion. My preference is for softcore. Generally I find it much more erotic than the in some cases literally 'in your face' hardcore. There is plenty out there, it is just a case of finding material that appeals. Cap'n. :0/ Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU Award Hilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 01-05-10 10:52am - 5427 days | #17 | |
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Cpmx54 (0)
Active User Posts: 42 Registered: Oct 09, '09 Location: USA |
What I can't stand is when they're "interviewing" the female pornstar, she starts stripping, and suddenly move they camera over to the guy, and then the focus is on him for the next 30 seconds. He then won't shut up about her "nice tits" and "bouncy ass". I know, I get it, he's a guy, he's got a hot naked girl in front of him.. It's no surprise he's excited. Showing his facial expressions is not necessary. I don't want to see him, his face, his hairy hands, and more importantly, I don't want to see the crack in his ass. Yunno, I'm sure if I were the camera guy in some of these amateur vids, I'd want to reach over and grop the female from head to toe as well. But, at least I'd have the decency to cut it from the final video, before it goes up on the website. Nothing like a big, fat, hairy hand reaching from behind the camera to kill your mood. | |
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| 01-05-10 11:36am - 5427 days | #18 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Cap'n, Thanks for responding. I gotta agree with you. I'm leaning towards more softcore porn too. Anything that's numbnuts free. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 11:54am - 5427 days | #19 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Cpmx54, You are absolutely correct. Why pan over to the guy to see what he's doing, while there is a hot female stripping FOR THE CAMERA? It makes no freaking sense!!! No offense to any gay forum posters but, go visit a gay site if you want to watch the guys. Keep the camera on the females; especially when they are stripping/posing for the camera(the viewers). MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 12:35pm - 5427 days | #20 | |
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turboshaft (0)
Active User Posts: 1,958 Registered: Apr 01, '08 |
They might think it only caused pleasure for the aggressor (usually the guy) but not both parties involved. There are other species where sex isn't for anything but procreation as it's not pleasurable, but for us it is yet we seem to abandon that in porn. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove | |
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| 01-05-10 01:33pm - 5427 days | #21 | |
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GCode (0)
Active User  Posts: 386 Registered: Feb 23, '09 Location: USA |
Good porn in general where the people are making quality material is a dime a dozen, but it is out there. But, the reasons as to why sites are doing what is stated above could be for certain reasons. When it comes to the sites with a large fan base/popularity, other sites will attempt to mimmick what they are doing because they feel this is what the right thing to do is. Eventually, a site will get a large enough fanbase/users that they stop listening to others (including users) and you get material that 'it is what it is'. Meaning, most sites will just keep making what they want and will not care what most think until the site starts losing huge amounts of users. With that said, when it comes to hardcore and the scenes featuring descriptions of what you stated, I think this all has to do with the target audience and what they are looking for. When it comes to porn in general, I think the users that make it here have a more 'sophisticated' pallet and such scenes really disturb us. I don't like to target one site for the reason of the demise of good hardcore but I think the fellas at BangBros have a lot to do with this (this is my just my opinion) and I'll explain why. For example, as a younger user and just a couple years out of college that has had numerous conversations about porn in the 18-25 range in recent years there seems to be one site that they all know about and like: BangBus and the other sites by this group. If you are not familiar with the style it is all out gonzo porn that features almost all the models seen as just fuck dolls that are there to be used and abused by the crew. A little different than the classic, "Wham, Bam, Thank You Ma'am" attitude but more like "Buck, duck, I don't give a fuck". I have not been a member in years but I cannot see them changing their style drastically but I know they are making tons of cash with an extremely large amount of users/fanbase. When the average user sees bangbros here, bangbros there they join. Then, they expect hardcore scenes to be like this and other sites want the money so they take the formula in to their hands as well. I also think a large factor for the camera angles of close up pounding and nut jiggling action is the fact that showing penetration is what makes hardcore scenes 'hardcore' when comparing scenes shown on skinemax, a lot of ppv porn, and other scenes. Hence, the videographers may feel they need to focus on this just so they can show just how 'hardcore' their scene is with close up pounding. This is just an opinion as to why and I'm sure there are plenty of other reasons why, including the fact that they might just like looking at a freshly shaven onion sack flopping against the taint of a young lady. Another reason as to why the behavior is getting quite juvenile is the fact that porn is quite easy to make now and maybe the actual BTS crew and crew in general are juvenile themselves nowadays. It always reminds me of boogie nights the movie, everyone seemed to enjoy partying and so on but everyone seemed a bit older. Maybe, up until to recently, there were older and mature crewmembers that calmed down the stars and other crew to create an almost 'parent' like atmosphere that monitored dumb behavior. Nowadays, it just seems like any old 18 to 20 somethingw are running loose with a HD camera wasted and immature fucking anything they can and treating all the models like crap. Also, it seems like people are soaking this shit up and liking it because it is everywhere. However, this is all just speculation. To sum it up, I think the state of gonzo porn featuring all this behavior these days is just due to the target audience, an overall lack of maturity in porn, and certain sites on the top now determining what a hardcore scene should be like. But, this is all my opinion and I could just be ranting with no basis for any of this shit at all. Right now, I'm completely bored so I'm just typing scrambled thoughts. By the way, the largest shit I hate in ANY scene including hardcore and solo scenes is when the director or crew talks and/or fondles the models during a scene. I HATE IT x10. Sexted From My iPad Edited on Jan 05, 2010, 01:41pm | |
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| 01-05-10 02:11pm - 5427 days | #22 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I definitely agree that the ease with which porn is made nowadays is a factor. Anyone with a camcorder is a porn producer. As a result a lot of it is made with no sense of the erotic. Many who produce porn are in it to get some sex and make a little money. In some cases it can be a lot of sex and a lot of money. What is missing is the eroticism that the viewer correctly expects. We are out of the equation as it is about the producer and his or their needs. It would make for better porn if producers evaluated their product from the point of view of being a fan. My advice to porn producers is to watch well made porn and then try to imitate its better production qualities. Its not about you, its about us! | |
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| 01-05-10 03:04pm - 5427 days | #23 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
How true it is. That big fat hairy hand has ruined many a video for me. The only male hand I'm interested in while viewing porn is my own. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 01-05-10 05:00pm - 5427 days | #24 | |
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rome476 (0)
Active User Posts: 78 Registered: Aug 19, '08 |
I can't agree more; there is some good b/g porn out there but most is garbage for the stated reasons. In fact, I have also started looking at g/g porn in the last month and have really gotten into no toy lesbian action; it is far more interesting than most of today's gonzo crap. rome476 | |
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| 01-05-10 05:08pm - 5427 days | #25 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
GCode, I appreciate your well thought out response. There's definitely some truth in what you say. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 06:01pm - 5427 days | #26 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
There isn't much that I can add then to say that I agree with you guys that the state of modern porn isn't very good. I much prefer watching lesbian porn because they still produce stuff that includes a good mixture of hardcore and softcore. Yes, the fact that everyone with a camera is a porn director is a real fact in the crap that is being produced. If you think about it. Filming porn movies on celluloid was an expensive endeavour so you had to have a decent budget just for the raw material. In turn that meant you needed people that had an intimate understanding of celluloid. These people weren't recruited on a bus corner but they were graduates from cinema school that needed a job. If you had to rent a 12,000$ camera for a few days and had to spend money for film that is very expensive and can't be taped over than you made sure that the guy filming this knew what he was doing. Since you can now buy a decent digital camera for a couple thousand dollars and whatever you film can be transfered to a computer and edited within the same day. Then why would every Tom, Dick and Harry think he's the next Fucking Spielberg of Porn. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-05-10 06:06pm - 5427 days | #27 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Anybody here ever subscribe to Reality Kings? There is a male performer on Reality Kings who seems to "star" in every single update, on every site on their network. His name is Ramon. This ass clown has got to be one of the most annoying male performers in all of porn! He talks non stop. From the opening frame til the video fades to black that dickhead is talking. What makes it even more annoying is he sounds like the character Puss n Boots from the Shrek movies (voiced by Antonio Banderas). Everytime he says something (which is often) you dont know whether to laugh or shout in anger STFU!!! Also, Ramon is in love with himself. So, he tries to steal the spotlight in every scene he is in. I remember a video where the cameraman changed his position several times trying to capture the action properly. But each time the camera moved, Ramon would move too, trying to hog the spotlight!! Some of the cameramen seem to love Ramon too, because they will turn the camera away from a gorgeous 19yr old in all her naughty glory, to focus on Ramon stroking his dick and running his mouth. WTF! But wait, there's more. Ramon loves to violently jam his fingers in female orifices. It does not matter if it's a fresh young newbie on their Pure18 site or a seasoned MILF, Ramon is going to violate her with his fingers. The discomfort this causes is quite apparent on the females faces, but it does not stop Ramon. No, he just goes on jammin his fingers in whatever opening he can find and running his damn mouth. It's sickening to watch and always a turnoff. As I said in my original post, I dont understand it. Who really likes this shit? MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 06:19pm - 5427 days | #28 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
pat362, So true. Minimal production costs (digital costs compared to film production) does allow any moron to think he can make movies. That would explain why the cinematography and photography is so lame. But, I still can't understand why they choose to act like such idiots and produce this wacked out, sociopathic garbage they want to pass off as porn. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-05-10 06:21pm - 5427 days | #29 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
rome476, Thanks for adding to the discussion. I agree with you, girl only or girl-girl porn seems to be the way to go these days. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-06-10 01:42am - 5426 days | #30 | |
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hodayathink (0)
Active User Posts: 312 Registered: Mar 27, '09 Location: Illinois |
I agree with pretty much everything GCode said. To me, the main reason that there's so much porn made like that today is because it sells. It sells pretty well, as far as I can tell. And as long as it keeps selling, they will keep making it. Until it stops selling. So, if you want it to end, you just do what it looks like you're already doing, which is vote with your wallet. And try to get everyone else to do the same. | |
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| 01-06-10 07:44am - 5426 days | #31 | |
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Colm4 (0)
Active User  Posts: 117 Registered: Sep 22, '07 Location: Holland |
A (partly) solution is editing software. From nearly every single movie I download, I edit stuff out. Like the boring interview at the start or the never-ending oral scenes. There's some quality loss and it can take some time, but the end product is usually ten times better as the original. | |
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| 01-06-10 07:52am - 5426 days | #32 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
There is one thing: editing! I sometimes wish to do that, no NOT sometimes - a lot of times - but where is the software to do it EASY???? "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 01-06-10 09:54am - 5426 days | #33 | |
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monty2222 (0)
Active User  Posts: 49 Registered: Feb 20, '09 Location: Denmark |
Completely in agreement with the thread starter. I'm a little surprised that there's actually so many here who have switched to solo/all-girl porn, but you can count me in with that crowd, that's also the route I've been following more and more due to the rampant douchebaggery in straight porn. I also like to watch cunnilingus, but not with a guy's mug in the frame constantly so choices are kinda limited. There are some reasonable producers of straight porn though. Naughty America doesn't have all the degrading crap in their videos and the stuntcocks usually stay relatively quiet as well, although the action can get repetitive after a while. The studio Sweet Sinner has sorta the same thing going with their stuff only better, but they're only available as VOD so that's a more expensive option. The best all-girl sites I know, I've mentioned in the Lesbian Sites-thread: Club Sapphic and Kiss Me girl. We Live Together from Reality Kings is okay too, though they use more toys and the sex feels phonier. Edited on Jan 06, 2010, 09:59am | |
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| 01-06-10 02:33pm - 5426 days | #34 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
I agree. I just wish others too would vote with their wallets and send those sleazeballs the only message they understand. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-06-10 02:36pm - 5426 days | #35 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
monty2222, Thanks for your input. I'll take a look at the sites you suggested. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-06-10 04:33pm - 5426 days | #36 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
It makes it look as though porn is about autoeroticism not only for the viewer, but for the male performer as well. It's like, "I fucked this girl just so I'd have the chance to jack myself off!" I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 01-06-10 05:23pm - 5426 days | #37 | |
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Divinx (0)
Active User Posts: 45 Registered: Dec 29, '07 |
As far as I know, the abuse and humiliation of women is not admisible under the law. Those that represent it should be brave and responsible enough to stop completely current brutality in porn. Don't expect pornographers themselves to stop it. They seem to be the brutest of all. And many, if not most, of the porn addicts seem to enjoy that brutality as well. Which is why things shall never change unless obliged. And it would not be censorship, just human rights. | |
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| 01-06-10 06:11pm - 5426 days | #38 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I wouldn't necessarily call it brutality. There is some of that but for the most part it's more a case of utter disrespect for the female performers and a large part the need to make the sex scene like a circus act. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-06-10 07:10pm - 5426 days | #39 | |
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samanthaf (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 5 Registered: Dec 27, '09 Location: USA |
oh that is really a sorry state My Blog | |
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| 01-08-10 03:41am - 5424 days | #40 | |
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Colm4 (0)
Active User Posts: 117 Registered: Sep 22, '07 Location: Holland |
I use a paid version of AVS Video Converter. Very easy to use and quality stays nearly the same. | |
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| 01-08-10 05:47am - 5424 days | #41 | |
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RagingBuddhist (0)
Disabled User Posts: 893 Registered: Jan 23, '07 |
It cost a good chunk of money, but I use Tmpgenc 4.0 Xpress. It's about as easy as it gets. It's handles almost any file type (every one I've thrown at it, anyway), it has an intuitive interface, and it outputs to more file types than I have use for. If you want to check it out, there's a free trial version. http://tmpgenc.pegasys-inc.com/en/product/te4xp.html Sarcasm is a body's natural defense against stupidity. Edited on Jan 08, 2010, 06:06am | |
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| 01-08-10 08:55pm - 5423 days | #42 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I could be wrong man but I don't see it that way. I think porn today is probably better than it's ever been primarily due to the dizzying array of choices. Back in the 80's and 90's most guys had to settle on the relatively small selection vids "in the back" of the local video store. The 90's brought the advent of the "adult mega store" but still the selection that is on offer at these places is like a grain of sand compared to what's available today on the web. This is especially true for guys (like myself) who are looking to satisfy certain fetishes they may have. Back in the day I remember having to choose between a very paltry selection to satisfy my leg/foot fetish craving. Now I have more choices (at much cheaper prices) than I know what to do with. Besides most of us here have only visited a small selection of the sites that are available (like over 4 mil. as of 06). That said, even I haven't found a site that has everything I'd like, and I also agree with many of the points that have been made about regarding the obnoxious behavior. I just see most of that though as some relatively minor negatives in what have been some overwhelmingly positive developments and innovations. (webcams, HD, mobile content, etc.) Edited on Jan 09, 2010, 10:47am | |
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| 01-09-10 06:30am - 5423 days | #43 | |
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rearadmiral (0)
Active User Posts: 1,453 Registered: Jul 16, '07 Location: NB/Canada |
This is a great thread going here. I think the length of it is a testament to how big an issue this is for most of us. While I agree with Malikstarks that this may be the golden age of porn just for the sheer variety out there, I have to also agree with the majority of posters who note that the bulk of porn has lost its zing. I started a thread last year noting that so much of porn had become boring since it was all the same. I noted that when gonzo started it was fun to watch because there was still some setup. One of you had the insight to get right to the core of the issue and said that the problem was with new stuff is that there is no tease. Yes, we know it’s porn and we know that the people are going to fuck, but some tease would still be nice. I also have to agree that the rise of violence and degradation are a real negative. This factor alone, if it continues to grow, may be the downfall of this golden age of variety. I say that because mainstream society may force a crackdown, and it may eventually dry up the supply of fresh young talent. The former is probably more likely than the latter. I remember seeing my first Max Hardcore flick way back in the early to mid 1990s and that was really pushing the boundaries then. But to look at some of his older stuff now the older Max stuff actually seems tame. Back then Max had a setup with some tease and he didn’t so forcefully abuse the girls. Hell, I remember when Max used to even go down on the girls because, well, it was the gentlemanly thing to do! In his more recent stuff it isn’t really about the sex anymore – it’s about pushing the degradation and humiliation. And where did that get Mr. Hardcore? He’s now married to the man with the most cigarettes in cell block D. This is not to say that degradation and humiliation don’t have a place, but its place shouldn’t be in the mainstream. Consider the work done by Kink.com. Some of their stuff really pushes the envelope. Water Bondage was among their most extreme (no longer updating…) but still seemed fun since they went out of their way to make sure that the viewers knew that the women fully consented and were willing participants. That is a common theme in all the Kink stuff. It may be extreme, but it isn’t as sinister as some of the mainstream stuff that really aims to degrade and humiliate. So I guess the bottom line for me (yes, that’s a pun) is that while this is a pretty great time in porn, we need to get back to some of the basics – treat the woman better – much better – and make porn about sex and the buildup to it. | |
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| 01-09-10 07:10am - 5423 days | #44 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
malikstarks, You make some valid points in regards to the quantity, variety, and availability of porn today. It's easier and comparatively cheaper today to access whatever you want. However, my concern is that this extreme gonzo style seems to be infiltrating every network and website out there. It does not matter what the niche or fetish is; it's being presented in an over the top, rough, violent, and abusive manner. So, where's the variety? MarkyMark | |
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| 01-09-10 07:17am - 5423 days | #45 | |
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markymark (0)
Suspended Posts: 28 Registered: Jan 04, '10 Location: Fleming Island, FL USA |
Great post rearadmiral. Your insights are right on target. MarkyMark | |
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| 01-09-10 09:10am - 5423 days | #46 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I was a big Max fan in the beginning because it was about the sex and not some twisted circus act. He was one of the first to really promote anal sex. Most of his early stuff did not make the transition to DVD so it's next to impossible to see what I'm talking about. He wasn't out to humiliate the star of make her suffer. He was a in many ways a pionneer. I'd say that his later stuff is even more pionneering but sadly not the kind of new porn I wanted to discover. The gaging, drooling, vomit inducing blowjobs that we suffer through now were probably first seen in his movies. I can't deny that the sheer quantity and variety of porn available today is incalculable but out of all that porn. How much would you say is actually good or even great? Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-09-10 09:24am - 5423 days | #47 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I have been watching porn for close to 50 years. I think that every era has had its strengths and weaknesses. In the current scene, the sheer quantity is wonderful, but it also leads to a lot of videos that are a total waste. With quantity the need is there to produce a product that sells-to the producers gonzo seems to be a safe bet. However, quality involves taking chances. I don't think this has to be this way, but quantity means a lot of people are in it for an easy buck. Quality takes time and effort and even perhaps an investment. Look how much a really top quality HD camera costs. In the past, say the 70s, porn was made in the form of a story. Nice but long movies were more expensive, involved acting and cameras were not cheap either. I think stories would be popular even now, maybe even more than gonzo, but why would anyone try? The cost of failure is more than most producers would even consider. The lasting impact of gonzo is that consumers, me included, are impatient with scenes that make us wait. | |
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| 01-09-10 11:28pm - 5422 days | #48 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Cell phones have been a major blessing and also a not-so-minor curse. I don't know how many times I've been part of an unwilling audience to one side of a loud conversation that filled the air on a sidewalk, at a restaurant, or on a train. But it's really getting out of hand when you're perusing a photo set and there are shots of the girl taking a call right then and there. And these are not "BTS" material, either. Usually they don't come off as part of the "story" in the set. Instead, they're interruptions. Why on earth do the photo editors include this stuff? I feed such pics to my recycle bin. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 01-10-10 10:03am - 5422 days | #49 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I wonder if it's indicative of the society we now live in. It's now to the point where people can't even go to the bathroom without taking their cellphone with them if fear of missing a call. WTF is that, if not really demented? It's possible that the photographer simply wnatsa to represent that in the photo-set. Of course it could also be that he's a lazy ass. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-10-10 12:43pm - 5422 days | #50 | |
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williamj (0)
Active User Posts: 102 Registered: Sep 29, '07 Location: usa |
We'll said. I agree 100% with the first comment. Will | |
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