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10-30-10  12:28am - 5167 days #51
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Originally Posted by TheSquirrel:


There was some old woman on tv from Boston who voted for Obama. She was now against him because she considered she was paying enough in taxes. So why vote for him in the first place? So you can blame him for the poor and the helpless as he refuses to tax people more to make them pay for the less privileged. You thought he wouldn't keep his election promises, and everything would stay the same, and you would get to feel good about yourself for being such a liberal nice person. But he aint going to do it, you fucking bitch.


One of the main problems with politics in America, is that people vote far too often with their pocketbooks rather than their own politics or beliefs. There was a guy at my office that voted for Bush II simply because he worked out that his proposed tax policy would net him something like $20 more a month than Kerry's. I asked him once if Bush's actual policy had any effect on his finances after the fact, and he didn't even know.

Us folks in the United States need to accept that sooner or later taxes need to go up. You can cut the budget all you want, but eventually the debt will need to get paid down, not to mention the still many outstanding issues with entitlements for the baby-boomers. However, any policitian that tries to raise taxes basically commits political suicide - even if they just let "temporary" cuts expire. Ed Rendell, the gov. of PA, tried to raise taxes by something like $10 a year and there were fucking protests in the streets. Hey if you'd have spent the day working instead of protesting, you'd have made well more than $10 fuckwits...

I just wish I could go to the Stewert/Colbert rally tomorrow, I'm sure it'd be a blast. Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars.
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10-30-10  03:27am - 5167 days #52
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Originally Posted by slutty:


One of the main problems with politics in America, is that people vote far too often with their pocketbooks rather than their own politics or beliefs. There was a guy at my office that voted for Bush II simply because he worked out that his proposed tax policy would net him something like $20 more a month than Kerry's. I asked him once if Bush's actual policy had any effect on his finances after the fact, and he didn't even know.

Us folks in the United States need to accept that sooner or later taxes need to go up. You can cut the budget all you want, but eventually the debt will need to get paid down, not to mention the still many outstanding issues with entitlements for the baby-boomers. However, any policitian that tries to raise taxes basically commits political suicide - even if they just let "temporary" cuts expire. Ed Rendell, the gov. of PA, tried to raise taxes by something like $10 a year and there were fucking protests in the streets. Hey if you'd have spent the day working instead of protesting, you'd have made well more than $10 fuckwits...

I just wish I could go to the Stewert/Colbert rally tomorrow, I'm sure it'd be a blast.


It's a tragedy of self-interest, short-term, for all parties involved. Slowly, very slowly, the gun is being loaded, the safety comes off, the aim is made and in less than 20 years, surely, BANG! -- the hole is made in the collective foot of the USA. Our currency will be worthless, the environment will be all the more toxic and overheated -- bringing less domestically produced crops and new forms of disease and pestilence, and everyone will be blaming each other.

We've already seen this kind of plot scenario play itself out this decade in turning the budget surplus into a bottomless debt hole, deregulate banking and finance, watch market values plummet, bail the bastards out to save the economy, then have a midterm election in which the bailout, ugly as hell but necessary, is being used against the people who supported it. And that works! But only for now ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-30-10  07:20pm - 5167 days #53
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Originally Posted by slutty:


Us folks in the United States need to accept that sooner or later taxes need to go up. You can cut the budget all you want, but eventually the debt will need to get paid down, not to mention the still many outstanding issues with entitlements for the baby-boomers. However, any policitian that tries to raise taxes basically commits political suicide - even if they just let "temporary" cuts expire.


Either taxes will be raised or some major things--not just unwanted "entitlements"--will need to be cut. At the federal level this would at least include defense and the justice system, unfortunately a couple of the most sacred things to the anti-tax/small government people. The military is essentially a massive jobs program, requiring billions of dollars for procurement and upkeep. It does employ lots of people, but at a large, government-funded cost.

A serious retooling of the criminal justice system is also needed, including the War on Drugs, another costly part of keeping America "free." But this conflicts with the idea of appearing to be tough on crime so I don't think we'll see any significant cuts anytime soon, much less more relaxed drug laws to relieve burdens on prisons (save for the occasional California ballot proposition ).

The major federal entitlements combined--Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare--are close to 40% of the budget but they seem to be the most protected elements. A lot of Tea Party candidates in the current election speak of pledging to keep these programs while at the same time cutting the waste and red tape of big bad bureaucratic government. It's good to hear they don't want to completely dismantle the government but some sort of reform/restructuring is going to need to be done to these programs to keep them around for the long term.

It'll be interesting to see how Tuesday turns out--hopefully without recounts. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

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