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| 04-27-12 08:56am - 4622 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Regional pricing - once more for newer PUs ect. There has been some "turbulent" inputs about Regional Pricing, lately...and some misunderstanding. Generally most PUs outside US of A are very munch against that...btw: one of the most outstanding in that field is Capn - and thank you for that, Capn. But it's not a question where TBP is involved - TBP has no - what so ever - saying in the matter: paysites or billing companies. And regional pricing is nor influenced by what kind of deals in price TBP can get us. And I guess it's still too much to ask TBP to deal with that question regarding those deals. Of course it could be great if TBP could interfere...but, bottom line: even if they get those better deals, it seems a bit far fetched, that TBP should, yes, again: interfere. This is now - alas - solely a matter between the customer and the sites in question. Still: I hate those regional pricing deals, and like Capn, I avoid them..  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 04-27-12 04:09pm - 4622 days | #2 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I think reginal pricing scares off 70% of would be, they see 19.99 and then see but for you 34.99 and run to the hills. I do! Since 2007 | |
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| 04-28-12 12:59am - 4622 days | #3 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
For me, the difference doesn't have to be dramatic. It is purely a matter of the unjust principle of charging different fees purely on geographical location, when there are no additional costs involved to the supplier of the goods. Yes, of course shipping physical goods incurs expense, with virtual goods there is really no justification. It is merely a scam to get more money for nothing. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-28-12 01:42am - 4622 days | #4 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
Exactly, its the principle that bothers me too which means I will not join a site that uses this practice. Fortunately I only got caught out once by it (norestnetwork) and since then I make a point of mentioning if regional pricing is used in all of my reviews. It reminds me of when restaurants here in Prague used to list one price in the Czech language version of the menu and much higher prices in the English, German, etc menus. Same product, same service but higher cost. This is now illegal which regional pricing on digital goods should be as well. Just say no kids, just say no. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 04-28-12 08:07am - 4621 days | #5 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Well spoken  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 04-28-12 10:11am - 4621 days | #6 | |
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Tree Rodent (0)
Active User  Posts: 708 Registered: Oct 29, '08 Location: UK |
Yes it's the principle. I hate being ripped off. Rip off the rip off artists, and purchase from those who are consumer/customer oriented. You know it makes sense! | |
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| 04-29-12 02:05am - 4620 days | #7 | |
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elephant (0)
Active User  Posts: 585 Registered: Jan 11, '07 |
I a massive hater of this too, just makes no sense to charge someone more based on where they live, 70% will be about right or more, no reason for it and always has me fired up when I see it and I leave the site without joining. should be abolished. "Women are like tricks by sleight of hand, Which, to admire, we should not understand." WILLIAM CONGREVE | |
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| 04-29-12 05:03am - 4620 days | #8 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
Regional Pricing might make you think that movie theaters and airports ought to be topics in a geography class. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 04-29-12 07:27am - 4620 days | #9 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
There is a fundamental difference between physical location & goods, and virtual goods which cost the same to produce & supply anywhere. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-29-12 09:58am - 4620 days | #10 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
What can I say, but: "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 04-29-12 12:28pm - 4620 days | #11 | |
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BadMrFrosty (0)
Active User Posts: 124 Registered: Mar 05, '10 Location: Prague (Czech Republic) |
As an aside, has anyone ever heard a webmaster try and defend this practice? I would be interested in hearing why they think its acceptable. The problem with the world is stupidity. Not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself? Frank Zappa | |
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| 04-30-12 06:23am - 4619 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^Don't hold me to this but I don't think it's webmasters that decide to do regional pricing but the CC processors that do that and they probably also decide which exchange rate they'll charge the customers based on their location. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 04-30-12 09:14am - 4619 days | #13 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I may be incorrect in this, but I believe it is only CC Bill who provide this 'service' to their Webmanager clients.It is the Webmanager who decides whether it should be used. When challenging this practice, you often encounter an uncomfortable reply, with one party blaming the other for its use. CCBill say it is the Webmanagers who request it, so it is their fault. Webmanagers come up with a variety of explanations, sometimes even denying they asked for it to be used. If this very questionable & unfair service was withdrawn, it would eliminate the problem. Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 04-30-12 09:50am - 4619 days | #14 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
I know that Epoch also has Regional pricing but I think their rates are more reasonable that CC Bill. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-12-12 11:07am - 4607 days | #15 | |
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Reveen (0)
Active User Posts: 96 Registered: Apr 06, '09 |
I've lurked here on and off for ages but this is something that really annoys me. Up till about 2008/09 I used to subscribe to 4-6 websites a month, then regional pricing was brought in by CCBill at first, then by other processing companies. The massive differences between dollar and euro prices were so high that it was obviously price gouging by the payment processors and webmasters so I subscribed to much less sites from then on, maybe 0-1 sites per month and usually to sites that didn't engage in this practice (which isn't many unfortunately). I did ask one webmaster about this and I explained the reasons that I wouldn't join the site because of the unfair pricing model to non-americans. I should note that I had previously been a member of the site before regional pricing came in. This is the reply I got "Hey, First let me say thank you for previously joining my site, I hope you enjoyed your time with me. As for your reluctance to join a pay site due to its use of regional pricing you will find most sites today use this, not all but most. Those that don't usually apply it to subscriptions that renew automatically after the first month. Anyway I'm sorry you will not be returning. Take care" I didn't pursue it any further because frankly I couldn't be arsed, if a webmaster doesn't want my money then I'm not going to chase after them to make them take it! I don't get why a webmaster would find it preferable to get no money, rather than some money, its not like I was looking for a sweet deal or anything, I just wanted to pay the same price as Americans are paying. I don't see why I should pay more just because I'm in a different geographical location, these are purely digital products/services and the cost of supply is no different whatever part of the world I'm in. | |
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| 05-12-12 03:00pm - 4607 days | #16 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I don't use the regional pricing option, and never will (as long as it is an option - I do fear it might become mandatory however). Costs technically do vary according to the customer's location, but currently no systems support the sales taxes which are meant to be supplied. Technically I should charge VAT (at 20%) to customers within the EU and not to those outside. This is clearly impractical and even the Inland Revenue seem unsure of how to apply it or enforce it. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 05-12-12 03:37pm - 4607 days | #17 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
As far as I am aware, 'No, they don't.' They never have to my knowledge. It is only CCBill who provide it as a 'service'.  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on May 12, 2012, 03:43pm | |
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| 05-12-12 03:41pm - 4607 days | #18 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Why would such a grossly unfair & unjustifiable 'service' only provided by one billing service be made mandatory?  Who would have the legal power to do that anyway? Why do people empower these fascists by talking in such terms? Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-12-12 04:29pm - 4607 days | #19 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Actually they do because I know that whenever I join a site using Epoch then my join price is higher than the actual listed price. The difference is normally a few dollars more but it is still higher. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-12-12 09:25pm - 4607 days | #20 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I took a couple hits by regional pricing to finally wake me up. Because the previous posters to this thread so remarkedly conveyed about this bate-an-switch-like practice: I'm recharged to where I can see more clearly now..... well, almost. My take?.. if it's suspicous, in fine print, or cleverly shrouded by cluttered web trash, it might pay to give the pages a through perusal.  | |
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| 05-13-12 12:53am - 4607 days | #22 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Well, I have to admit, I hadn't noticed it. That is very underhand & insidious. We can all thank CCBill for starting this scam! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-13-12 01:49am - 4606 days | #23 | |
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tangub (0)
Active User  Posts: 132 Registered: Feb 03, '10 Location: UK |
I have to agree with Cap'n, I've certainly never noticed any regional pricing supplements using Epoch here in the UK, that practice does seem to be restricted to CCBill and certainly plenty of sites don't adopt the regional pricing option so at the end of the day I think its still down to greedy webmasters who choose to take that service. | |
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| 05-13-12 10:21am - 4606 days | #24 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^When you say that you have never noticed it. Do you mean that if a site advertises 20$ US than your price will be the equivalent in British pounds or will there be a slight variation in favor of the CC processor. I have joined some sites through Epoch and they listed the price at 20$ but when i joined then the price was more like 22$ or 23$. Now that is not a major increase in the price but the Canadian dollar is at par with the US one so technically I should still only pay 20$. This was even more obvious when our dollar was actually higher than the US one. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 05-13-12 03:45pm - 4606 days | #25 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
They tend to load exchange rates so that may be it. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 05-13-12 03:56pm - 4606 days | #26 | |
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Drooler (0)
Disabled User Posts: 1,831 Registered: Mar 11, '07 Location: USA |
I was looking for the "PornUsers Discuss Regional Pricing" website, but I couldn't find it and I wound up here ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England. | |
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| 05-16-12 04:14am - 4603 days | #27 | |
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tangub (0)
Active User Posts: 132 Registered: Feb 03, '10 Location: UK |
Oh yes there is always a slight variation in favour of the CC processor even with Epocch, as i'm sure everyone is aware we as consumers never get the headline rate of exchange in foreign currency transactions and the banks and credit card companies will always cream off maybe 3 to 5% for themselves. A prime example of what i'm saying is a site like Nubiles where the PU join price is $24.31. There are two sign up options available charged in British pounds, Epoch at £15.89 and CCBill at £18.14. Using an online currency converter at today's exchange rate that equates to $25.30 with Epoch and $28.88 with CCBill so with Epoch we are losing just under $1 in the exchange rate for the privelidge of being charged in our own currency meaning we don't pay a fee on our credit card bill and i'm sure nobody is quibbling about losing a dollar. What drives us Brits and Eurpoeans mad is how CCBill see fit to load around 20% on top for the same service which is blatent profiteering, but then again not every site that uses CCBill has this large supplement so can only assume its the greedy websites profiteering. Maybe they just think the average porn consumer is too stupid to work out they are being ripped off. | |
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| 05-16-12 04:28pm - 4603 days | #28 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Don't even mention currency conversion fees  . I lose a scary amount of money every month to conversion fees and unfavourable exchange rates (Banks are quick to move their rate against me when the bulk rate moves that way, but always seem to hold their rate for a day or so when the bulk rate moves in my favour!)While I am not condoning CCBill's approach with regional pricing, I don't see the idea of regional pricing as unethical in theory. Any business prices its products according to a range of factors, not least of which is "what customers are willing to pay" (Just look at Apple!). Shops, even international chains, adapt their prices according to their geographical region, so in theory why shouldn't websites do the same? However displaying one price and then charging another is simply wrong, and usually illegal. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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