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| 08-19-15 11:16am - 3413 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User  Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Jared Fogle and Child Sex Crimes How do you feel our government should handle Child Sex Crimes, Child Pornography, Child Prostitution and especially their Pimp (Exploiters)? Allow me to preface this thread by saying that I am far from perfect. We all have our own crosses to bear and our own lusts and desires we need to keep in check. So my intention is not to come across like I am better than anyone. But seriously man what the heck! Jared Fogle had a net worth of 15 million dollars. http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest...ed-subway-net-worth/ He was handed a golden ticket and threw it all away. Now his wife (Who just filed for divorce), two kids, and a multitude of victims suffer because of him. His resources paid Pimps, Escorts, Illegal Child Porn producers to thrive and exploit helpless underage children. I am glad he is paying restitution (100k each to 14 victims for a total of 1.4mill) but will it come close to undoing the damage his actions have inflicted. Which brings me to the question of how should our government handle people who rape underage children and exploit them? First let me give some biblical context on Rape and Child Molestation. Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Offend by doing something to them that could have repercussions on them thought out life, like a stumbling block. Any type of Sexual Abuse would certainly be a huge offense against a child. Didache 2:4 Ye shall not commit Pederasty. This is a sexually relationship between an adult and a child. The Didache is a collection of very early Christian teachings since Pederasty was common amongst the Greek people at that time it would make sense early Christians would discuss this issue. Rom 13:1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Here we have the Bible asking us to obey the laws of the land and Child abuse and molestation are both illegal in most places in the world. I am a believer in the truth that if something is not working then we should make a change. Our laws do not protect children from sexual abuse, rape and exploitation. I personally feel like it is because our laws are not rigid enough. Instead of prison I feel like all Child molesters, rapists, exploiters (Pimps) should be put to death the day after they are found guilty at trial. This will not stop all instances. But a immediate death penalty will stop a lot of it. Additionally all of their assets should be liquidated and distributed to the victims of the crimes. Another way to protect women from Murder, Std's, Rape, Exploitation (Pimps) is to legalize prostitution. You could make being a Pimp a death penalty offense. Set up Prostitution houses that are taxed. The women have to show age with a birth certificate and be approved by the department of homeland security. Then the women must be checked every week by a on site doctor for STD's. Men who want to pay for sex also have to receive STD tests first and be issued ID cards by the Department of Homeland Security. This protects ALL women ALL men and is 100% paid for by the proceeds of the prostitution act. Please share your thoughts on this difficult social issue. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-19-15 08:53pm - 3412 days | #2 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
If you're going to go by the bible, besides the quotes that you have above, let's also include such pro-child molestation biblical quotes such as: Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT) "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." Personally I don't find the bible to be a moral guide on anything at all. Child molestation and rape are fucked up and this Fogle character is a colossal douche bag. | |
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| 08-19-15 09:26pm - 3412 days | #3 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
The irony of your response is not lost on me at all. I wrote the book literally (The Bible Unbiased: a comprehensive look at over 200 Christian subjects from BOTH sides). Oh yes I can show you rape scriptures, sex slave scriptures, slavery scriptures, stoning raped women scriptures, human sacrifice scriptures. Before I say anything else let me say a hearty thank you PinkPanther for commenting. I won't try to justify what I wrote, the scriptures I used or try to change your mind (Unless you ask for further discussion). The fact is I respect your views on the Bible 100%. Everyone has a right to their beliefs and I thank you for sharing what you were feeling. I could have said the very opposite, but I would have been wrong to do so and we all know it. Sometimes the truth is so obvious it smacks us in the face IE do not take the innocence from a child. The reason I even used the bible when discussing Jared Fogle is I wanted a moral platform (To me personally a moral platform) to base my anti-child rape and molestation views upon. For myself I only find the Bible to be the only true moral guide even if some parts of it are radically different from cultural standards we adhere to today. To be frank with you I feel like Prostitution (Women and Johns) is a subject that needs better legal protection and clarification in America. It is precisely because of our Puritan roots that we have not addressed these issues as of yet. I also feel like decriminalizing Prostitution would be a source of tax revenue and dramatically decrease Child Molestation, rape and exploitation. If there were no stigma to a homely bloke having a poke in ye street side brothel then life would be a lot less complicated. When you have sexually frustrated men who cannot legally get a woman for a night of pleasure it can become a fertile ground for them to desire things closer to home. Current statistics put the molestation of women at 33% usually by people they know and or are related to. If we cannot agree on anything else at least we can agree Jared is a Dbag =). In further news it turns out that not only did Josh Duggar molest 5 girls (Some his own sisters) he also had two accounts on a adult cheating site. I feel bad for the wives and children of these guys the most. It is the innocent ones who suffer. Which was really the point of my first post. How can we as a society do something to the legal system to stop this from happening. I think we would all agree that children who grow up unmolested have a greater chance of success in life. But again Thank you for your response PinkPanther. And a big A+ for you posting relevant scripture for your argument! 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-20-15 12:19am - 3412 days | #4 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
The Bible can be used to justify many things as it represents a culture of the past. Generally Bible quotations motivate only those who believe, so quoting it is the proverbial preaching to the choir. Non religious people have values too. Moral values are intuitive and pretty much shared in all thinking cultures. Note that I said thinking. | |
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| 08-20-15 12:42am - 3412 days | #5 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
I could not possibly agree with you more Mbaya. But what do you think we as a society can do to prevent future Jared's? Maybe I am wrong and everyone is happy with the status quo. But as a huge fan of history I know things will change ... eventually lol. I am not sure I have a thousand years to see the change happen but I will enjoy the time I have =). 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-20-15 03:59am - 3412 days | #6 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I share your outrage. However, stronger laws don't stop sociopaths or psychopaths. They don't care about others and feel that rules don't apply to them. The moral evolution of mankind is slow, but it has happened. We no longer do much of what was commonplace in the past, such as slavery. Christians would no longer have the Crusades or the Inquisition. Even on the topic of the exploitation of children there has been an evolution. In the 19th century child labor was an accepted practice and children were seen as nothing different from being short adults. At least there is public outrage over child abuse today. We are not perfect and never will be, but some people will always be outliers. | |
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| 08-20-15 11:35am - 3412 days | #7 | |
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pornpundit (0)
Active User Posts: 104 Registered: Mar 10, '07 Location: brooklyn ct. |
I found the subject interesting but I must make one comment on Pyrenees posting. The fact that he was a member of sites seeking other women for sex I have to say "try walking in an other mans shoes" I love my wife but having a relationship where your partner does not want to have any sexual contact can be a great strain!!!!. I , for one, find a "sex only" relationship with another consenting adult better for all concerned then a abandoning a relationship that, in all other aspects, is great. Oh and as an aside, why ARE YOU on a porn site, is that any less disturbing? Taking care of normal sexuality should NOT be equated to Child pornography! As far as fidelity goes " judge not least you be judged" Pornpundit Edited on Aug 20, 2015, 11:57am | |
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| 08-20-15 12:11pm - 3412 days | #8 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Yo Pornpundit In no way shape or form is cheating the same as child molestation. I only mentioned Josh Duggar because his wife has to now suffer like Jareds wife has to suffer. If it came across that way I apologize. As a matter of fact if you want me true feelings on marriage and sex I will give them to you. I feel the scriptures are pretty clear the mans body is the womans and the womans body is the mans. So if a partner withholds sex and allows temptation to enter the marriage then I 100% believe it is ok to divorce that spouse. Now some people may consider divorce extreme and say hey why not a casual fling between two consenting adults. Totally their choice. Not looking down on anyone just giving you a heads up on what I personally believe. Josh Duggar offends me because I love his family so much, love the TV show. I did not even care about his past mistakes when he was a child. But cheating on his beautiful Christian wife who is obviously not withholding sex. I do despise him personally for that. Maybe that makes me a little weird? =) Anways bro just clearing that up I in no way shape or form compare those to thinks as equally bad. They are bad on different levels. And like you pointed out it is hard to be with a spouse you love who does not like sex. I know I put up with it for 5 years once. It was a very miserable time in my life. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-20-15 12:17pm - 3412 days | #9 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Mbaya I agree with you that in American society and culture things are better now for freedom from slavery and child labor. But around the world things are pretty much the same. UAE Dubai was built on slavery that they still use to this day. Most great countries (Including America) are built with slave labor. Did you know the first real slave in America was white and his owner was black? Before true slavery in America there was basically indentured surfdom. It was for a time and then over usually to pay off a debt. In Asia in electronics sweat shops little children are used for their sharp eyesight they can only do it a year or so then they go blind and are tossed out into the street. There is a lot of injustice still in this great big old world. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-20-15 06:35pm - 3412 days | #10 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
A society that took child molestation seriously would have no religious exemptions. The Catholic Church and their whole global child-molestation cabal would be thoroughly investigated and a lot of high-ranking church officials would be jailed. Those polygamous cults, whether Mormon-related or new agey scamsters, would be shut the fuck down. The bull-shit where certain hassidic sects have rabbis using their mouths to perform circumcision, etc - not fucking allowed. This society is wink-wink-nod-nod when it comes to going after child molesters. Jared Fogle was an acceptable target because he had a bunch of money but no institution to back him up, like a church or political party. But there's a lot of looking the other way - or going along with it. I recall having a conversation with a co=worker who was pretty aware of the shit that went on at the higher realms of the classical music world - where mothers and fathers would bring their kids to be molested by maestros just to be in the good graces of the criminal bastards. This society is not very from the horrendous bullshit that ISIS is doing, when you peel the onion some. | |
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| 08-20-15 08:21pm - 3412 days | #11 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
So do you think there is any way we can change this? 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-22-15 04:01pm - 3410 days | #12 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
Sure - have a society that is not based on one section of society dominating and exploiting the rest of society. | |
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| 08-22-15 04:53pm - 3410 days | #13 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Welp I guess we are stuck then =) 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-23-15 11:05pm - 3408 days | #14 | |
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anyonebutme (0)
Active User  Posts: 294 Registered: Aug 23, '09 |
No, just no. If you can guarantee the legal system will be perfect then you can discuss capital punishment. It's not. Many, many, many innocent people have been handed a death penalty sentence. And once a death penalty has been executed, there is no possibility of making things right if it's later found the person was innocent. You're also not taking into account that child sex abusers are the lowest rank amongst prisoners. Fogle's life behind bars will be beyond horrific, the other inmates will make sure he is thoroughly punished for what he has done. I really don't know where you're going with the bible quotes, so... | |
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| 08-24-15 05:31pm - 3408 days | #15 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
I appreciate your opinion. But just like everyone else you offered no real solution. What would you do to fix this problem? Or is everything fine in your opinion. People are getting bogged down arguing then things they disagree with about the post. But no one is offering their opinion on solutions to help children. Which is the whole point of the post. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 08-24-15 05:57pm - 3408 days | #16 | |
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biker (0)
Active User  Posts: 632 Registered: May 03, '08 Location: milwaukee, wi |
Criminal behavior can't be fixed with one simple solution. People commit crime for various reasons. Even with harsh punishments, there are those that think they can get away with it. Some do get away with it. Religion certainly has no moral standards. Priests pray on children and the church protects them. So you can quote the bible all you want and it means nothing. Warning Will Robinson | |
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| 08-27-15 01:26pm - 3405 days | #17 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
Here is a update on the Josh Duggar situation. Turns out he slept with Danica Dillion twice. Once for 1,000 and once for 1,500. Trust me when I say Danica Dillion is one messed up porn chick. I own several of her scenes and none of them are Heartcore. She has 3 amazing scenes from Facial Abuse in one of which she cries from humiliation. Man that scene is sooo good now lol. Nothing like see someone you collect become semi infamous lol. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 09-08-15 10:16pm - 3392 days | #18 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
Well, Pyrenees, I guess I just don't understand things. I basically departed from Porn Users for the most part because of my being drawn to God over the course of 2010 and 2011. I destroyed over 500 gigs of porn I had collected over the years, and tried like hell to focus my mind on more positive things, like my music, my poetry, my writing - novels and short stories - as well as participation in various discussion forums, mainly centered around interests in philosophy, theology, cosmology, literature, art, etc. If you read my reviews or gather a bit of info about me, you can see I was never really into hardcore porn. What I mean is, YES, I LOVE seeing beautiful young ladies and women in intimate ways, via photography and video, and watching men and women bump uglies was interesting and "helpful"  to me, as it is to most normal males I guess, during various stages of my life; but the older I got, the less interesting and helpful it became, until I got to the point where it bored me to tears. Literally. I mean, seeing an episode of Three's Company nowadays, with those two beauties cavorting about, is far more titillating to me than watching even the most bonzo hardcore porn. I find it either: horribly violent and aggressive, misogynistic, repulsive, disgusting, silly, downright hilarious, and/or - as boring as watching water boil.Most of my reviews, if memory serves, were of model sites, or softcore picture/video sites based on the simple pleasure of seeing a good looking woman in her undies - still a MAJOR hot button for me, something I will never shake and do not want to shake, as a matter of fact - or naked as a jaybird, doing stuff like just walking around, bathing, rubbing lotion on her lovely parts, or whatever. What I mean by my first sentence: "I guess I just don't understand things", is that I don't understand how a person can enjoy seeing a woman being humiliated. That you're a person of faith is not really relevant, and while I agree with you that there is an ultimate Authority out there (God), I agree with the others that quoting the Bible isn't going to do much good when it comes to addressing how to deal with people who stoop to such evil as to have sex with a child. I mean, look at Genesis, right off the bat we have Lot's daughters getting him smashed and having sex with him. We have problems right from the get go. There is great wisdom in the Bible, and there is also much superstition, gruesome ritual— animals' blood being splattered and dabbed here and there, on places and people in the tabernacle [I think, if memory serves], what to do with what dead animal body parts, sacrificial slaughter and burning: a nasty, bloody, sticky mess —and ancient proscriptions and prescriptions which to our modern minds are repellent, and rightfully so. After all, how many Christians, or Jews, do you know who would take one of their rebellious kids and stone them to death? None? That's what I thought. And so on, and so on. When we get to the New Testament, we have Jesus, a benevolent, and in my opinion divinely guided and disciplined man, who tried to sort everything out and get people to shape up and quit acting like idiots: to LOVE one another unconditionally, to tolerate one another, to stop mocking and berating people, to be thoughtful of the poor, to ANYONE who is suffering, be they high or low; to speak honestly of people and to STOP putting words into other people's mouths, which is the cause of confusion and hatred worldwide, to STOP bearing false witness, to tell the truth, to be aware of OUR OWN shortcomings and failures, our own imperfection, and to remember them before we set out to blame and judge others. Unfortunately, the game of telephone was on, and what we have of Christ's teaching is presented to us in a giant ultrafiltered multi-linguistic and multi-interpretational tangle, the work of 2,000 years of commentary and addle-brained religiosity. But I am getting off the track. What I meant to say at the outset is that I don't know what gets your rocks off, and you don't know what gets mine off. It seems plain that we humans have fetishes for everything and anything, our sexual urges are complicated and confused by constant sharing of experience and mutual analysis, and the better we try to be, the worse we become, because we're all in the soup together and we're all corrupt, which only means - we're all human, and NORMAL. The best we can do is what Christ and Paul recommended: render to Caesar what is Caesar's, and render to God what belongs to God. Let's keep working at our civil laws and political policies, let's love one another and hope and pray, and let's DEFINITELY remove individuals who do evil things to others from society - by due process and according to the law, in the best way we can. This Jared person. I'm astonished, appalled, and stunned that someone with that much money, that much reward in life, would stoop to appeasing such a revolting sexual urge! I'm stunned that ANYONE would do it - but him! On top of the world - worth 15 million just because you lost weight eating at SUBWAY - and you debase yourself, your family, and cause unspeakable harm to children, just to scratch a physical itch in the pants and a sickening dream in the head? Yes, he has a hard road ahead of him where he's going. If God can forgive him, then so be it, but I'm just a man, and a father, and I don't have the capacity to forgive him, nor do I feel that it's my right to forgive someone for doing such a thing. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! | |
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| 09-08-15 10:26pm - 3392 days | #19 | |
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Pyrenees (0)
Active User Posts: 153 Registered: Feb 25, '15 Location: USA |
For a while there I thought you were going to ask me how I can enjoy the porn I do according to scripture. Which I can show you by the way. But even if I show you if you have made up your mind (Which I think you have) I am not sure I could convince you. Furthermore I would never want to put a stumbling block in front of a fellow Christian. So I guess what I am saying is if you are curious I can show you. I wrote the book on it lol (The Bible Unbiased). I am proud of your personal life decisions and I hope it has brought you much happiness. I agree that taking a break can make commercials erotic lol. It opens your eyes to how sexual TV is. I am disgusted by people who abuse children. I read a article today about a man in texas who sodomized a 2 year old and only got 10 years probation. It is a wicked world and I want to protect the innocent as Jesus would want. I agree that anyone can be forgiven (Thank goodness) the blood of the risen savior covers a multitude of sins. Current statistics have it that 1 in 3 women are molested before they reach sexual maturity (A argument for another day). This greatly affects how they perceive their own self worth and idea of what love is. Most pornographic actresses, strippers and prostitutes were molested. Long story short would love to talk about things with ya. Please dont anyone else be offended by this I am only commenting on his thoughts. 1Ti 6:17 Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; | |
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| 09-12-15 08:20am - 3389 days | #20 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
Sorry for derailing this thread but I wanted to use your excellent post to offer a very different perspective on these subjects. You say slavery is not longer commonplace and I guess when compared to a couple of centuries ago than that is true but that's mostly in industrial countries. I think it is still happening in some Countries more frequently than we would like to admit. You don't even have to look much further than the US to see that a form of slavery STILL exist at this very moment. Just look at the plight of Immigrant Workers. Aren't they in many ways badly treated by the people who hire them all the time knowing that they can abuse them simply because most of them will never complain for fear of being deported. Bad working conditions, fairly low wages, unpleasant living conditions and a slew of other issues that most other Americans will never face. I know many will argue that they came to the US illegally and therefore they get what they deserve but how many of these people realise that their departure would more than likely cripple the entire Country. It's true that a Christian bases Crusade is unlikely but again didn't a primarily Christian Country called the United States invade a Sovereign Country to steal it's riches, impose it's values and decimate large portions of it's population? I mean maybe one day Irakians will be thrilled to have a US imposed Democracy but I daresay that many of them aren't currently very happy about the process. Of course growth as a people is often painful and necessary to be able to mature as a civilisation. I do agree with you that a Spanish Style Inquisition is likely never going to come again but these days Social media are amazing tools for doing public Inquisitions where anyone and everyone with a Computer and internet access can voice his or her opinion and thereby making the life of the victim of said Inquisition unbearable. And don't get me started on the McCarty era Inquisitions and many of the other political scandal the US has had in the last 60 years. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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