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12-31-17  10:02am - 2548 days Original Post - #1
jook (0)
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Another list?

I still consider myself a relative newcomer or an amateur when it comes to porn videos. Hence, my request. I'd love to your opinions about what you think are some of the more provocative directors and sites.

Some of the sites that I consider unique and interesting are private classics (not private.com!), ersties and kink.

Happy new year!

12-31-17  10:41am - 2548 days #2
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Hmmm... good question... I suspect the answer will depend a lot on how people define provocative. Given your example I suspect you mean this in the positive sense.

If we define provocative in the sexual sense (positively), some provocative sites and directors would be:

Tushy.com
Hard X
Erotica X
Teen Fidelity

If I give the term a more negative connotation, as in deliberately causing a strong reaction, some sites I can think of that certainly provoke and cause strong reactions (positive or negative depending on your interests):

Hookup Hotshot
Assylum.com
Slave Mouth
Woodman Casting X
Wake Up N Fuck
Legal Porno
Kink.com

I'll be interested to read what others suggest.

(BTW - I'm a big fan of the Private classics too.)

12-31-17  11:31am - 2548 days #3
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12-31-17  12:55pm - 2548 days #4
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^ LOL! The comparison between the two is hard to avoid. There are a lot of similarities but I think there are a lot of key differences as well. Max did more than just dress the models as young girls; he had them play young girls as characters. I recall one scene where Max was violating his female co-star and she says "But I'm only twelve years old!" Bryan doesn't cross that line.

The other big difference is that in his later years* Max's scenes were about him violating and degrading the female for his own pleasure. Her pleasure isn't even contemplated. Some will not agree with me on this point, but the HH scenes are not solely about Bryan's pleasure. The scenes are about two people having raw and rather exuberant sex. They aren't making love, but there is room for raw fucking too as long as both parties are into it. I've seen most of the HH scenes and there is real pleasure on display from the women in those scenes.

One caveat to this is that Lana Rhoades did complain about Bryan after her scene. I can't recall the specifics, but I think it had something to do with a misunderstanding of something she thought would be edited out but Bryan intended to include. It may be Lana getting peed on. That was in the original cut of the scene but then it got removed and now it's back.

* I've always categorized Max's scenes on a timeline. His earlier scenes were quite different from his later scenes. I remain a fan of his earliest scenes and one is on my Top 10 Favourites of All Time list. It’s Tammi Ann in Hitchhiker 1. Then again, that was when Max was ‘just’ a director for Zane Entertainment. I’m only partly kidding when I say that on the Max timeline to depravity I see a hard line between the earlier scenes when he did oral on the women to the older scenes where he doesn’t. In those later Max scenes there is an element of meanness on display and that doesn’t exist in the HH scenes.

12-31-17  02:57pm - 2548 days #5
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RA, it's interesting you put Woodman Casting X in your negative category as I was actually considering joining the site. I was basing my decision on Pierre Woodman's work in privateclassics.com. I take it from your post that his later sites are not exactly equivalent?

This may get me in trouble, but I found an interesting thread that sort of parallels this discussion over here..

12-31-17  02:58pm - 2548 days #6
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I guess listing the site and discussion wasn't meant to be as the link was seemingly cut off automatically.

01-01-18  08:01am - 2547 days #7
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Originally Posted by jook:


RA, it's interesting you put Woodman Casting X in your negative category as I was actually considering joining the site. I was basing my decision on Pierre Woodman's work in privateclassics.com. I take it from your post that his later sites are not exactly equivalent?

This may get me in trouble, but I found an interesting thread that sort of parallels this discussion over here..


I hope I didn't mislead anyone by putting Pierre Woodman's current work in the 'negative' list. I put it there because I think his work has become more polarizing than when he was with Private. Both of his sites (Woodman Casting and WUNF) are often on the rougher side and that may be off-putting to some potential subscribers. The casting site is the less rough of the two but many scenes are truly just casting interviews with some nudity. WUNF is all sex and is more rough.

I highly recommend both of those sites but I prefer WUNF since it has sex in all of the scenes. One other caution is that Pierre obviously doesn't have the budget that he did when he was shooting for Private. No one has that budget any longer! Don't go in expecting location shoots in exotic places. Both sites give access to a lot of trailers so you can make an informed decision on whether or not you want to join.

Both sites are among my favourites and you should consider taking a look at them.

(I've had trouble with adding links too. I've tried again later and it has worked. I'm be interested in reading the other thread, though I could make an educated guess that it is on ADT. PU/TBP and ADT aren't really competitors so I don't think you'd be breaking any rules if that is where the link is from.)

01-02-18  06:27am - 2546 days #8
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Lost my post when I hit submit. I'll go shorter with this one. I wouldn't ever recommend Pierre Woodman Casting X. I like Private too, but his casting site disgusted me. It was bad enough for me that in the earlier days of PU, Khan had to ask me to be the bigger man, because Pierre was here posting and was pissed over my review. My last words to him were, "The only way I'll ever watch another scene with you in it is if it's a little, petite woman sticking a dildo up your ass while she spits in your face and slaps you."

On that note, Pierre still contacted me away from PU and told me he agreed with my main complaint (it was just about one scene) and wanted me to know he apologized to the model and was now good friends with her. Thing was, he wouldn't post that here for everyone to see because he had an image to uphold.

On the positive side, I'll recommend the producer I used to always recommend, but his site usually goes under the radar these days since Met-Art has it and I don't think he does any of the producing anymore. Would be similar to most of Private. I think he produced some for them. Viv Thomas. He draws out unmatched sexual energy from the models he produced. His content was one of my first introductions to internet porn and that was probably a mistake since I haven't found anyone that makes porn like he did. One scene was Eve Angel and Sandra Shine as maids in a hotel. They were cleaning the room and started playing around. It seemed completely innocent as they are known to be good friends in real life. By about the 10th minute of the scene, they're rolling around on the bed, going into 69, fingers up butts. I think his advantage was he was so known and respected, older man, and the models seemed very comfortable shooting for him.

If I recommend that one on this topic, I have to also recommend DDF Network. It has both positive and negative. DDF as a producer very much followed Viv Thomas' style, but he started branching out and added a full-on fetish site called House of Taboo and the rough, in my opinion, Hands On Hardcore. Plus you get the other typical Euro sites with it too. He's been away from the site, I think he retired too, but all the content is still up and it still updates. My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk

01-02-18  04:58pm - 2546 days #9
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Originally Posted by exotics4me:


I wouldn't ever recommend Pierre Woodman Casting X. I like Private too, but his casting site disgusted me. It was bad enough for me that in the earlier days of PU, Khan had to ask me to be the bigger man, because Pierre was here posting and was pissed over my review. My last words to him were, "The only way I'll ever watch another scene with you in it is if it's a little, petite woman sticking a dildo up your ass while she spits in your face and slaps you."

On that note, Pierre still contacted me away from PU and told me he agreed with my main complaint (it was just about one scene) and wanted me to know he apologized to the model and was now good friends with her. Thing was, he wouldn't post that here for everyone to see because he had an image to uphold.


I have to find that review.
Sounds like one of the best reviews posted at PU.
I find it incredible that Woodman is able to treat his models so rough, and yet they seem to like it.

I think that Woodman is practicing a form of BDSM.
And some of his scenes can be hot as hell.
But many other scenes just turn me off, or leave me cold.
Whatever.

01-02-18  05:38pm - 2546 days #10
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@exotics4me,
I tried to find your review of Woodman's site, but couldn't find it.
Do you remember the date it was posted?
Or which site the review was for?
Woodman Casting X, or
Wake Up N Fuck.

Thanks, in advance.

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