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| 05-26-20 06:39am - 1671 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User  Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Points System Dead? What is going on with the points system? It hasn't been updating in months. I have emailed admin Tom (Just a few minutes ago so no reply yet) and am awaiting a reply. It's not fair to new users who have been very active to have limited newb restrictions permanently in place because of a glitch or worse someone not doing their job. I could care less about the raffle (the raffle is nice but not my subject, I'm not saying anything for or against it), I come here for the reviews and to share my own experiences with my fellow porn connoisseurs. People are starting to get frustrated and are going to end up leaving then we are going to lose their valuable info. With a couple of the OG heavy hitter users going dormant we need new users and they are not going to stick around if things aren't fixed. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on May 26, 2020, 06:53am (Wraith0711: typo/grammer) | |
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| 05-26-20 10:51am - 1671 days | #2 | |
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marcdc1 (0)
Active User  Posts: 139 Registered: Jan 10, '07 Location: New York |
I think your making a good point. On top of that, the point system gives credibility to posters. I weigh the reviews from people with dozens of reviews higher than someone who's just getting started. I've long said that I'm an "easy grader" so when you look at my reviews in context it helps to understand that my 90 might be most people's 85. And of course if I, as an easy grader, went down to the 70s, you know you what to look at that site with a gimlet eye. | |
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| 05-26-20 11:40am - 1671 days | #3 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Yup that is exactly my point. Now that Mbaya and ragingbuddist have gone inactive for a while there is a pretty big void in the site. Thank you for taking the time to reply Sir. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 05-26-20 12:31pm - 1671 days | #4 | |
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Homegirl (0)
Suspended Posts: 45 Registered: Mar 21, '20 Location: new york |
Has anyone contacted either of them and asked if they want to come back? Tom? Female and proud | |
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| 05-26-20 01:00pm - 1671 days | #5 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
I don't think it was permanent, I even think I remember Mbaya say he was going to take a break for a while. Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 05-26-20 11:36pm - 1670 days | #6 | |
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exotics4me (0)
Active User  Posts: 664 Registered: Jan 12, '07 Location: USA |
I think the points were stopped because of all the sway-shill activity. If a member doesn't get to 5 points their scores do not count on the reviewed site's average score. In the early days of PU, we had major problems with straight shills. Straight shills just review the site they are shilling for and give it a very high score. Sway-shills review the site they are shilling with a very good but not outrageously high score (91-94). They then review the main competitors of the site they are shilling for. They keep the scores relatively high (so not to be obvious) but below the site they are shilling. They also do it in groups of at least 4. This is to keep their shilled site's average from being dropped too much by another member. Below is an example: Four Sway-Shill reviewers review the top competitor of the site they are shilling an 88, 89, 90 and 87. All are good scores. The average is an 88.5. They review the site they are shilling for a 90, 91, 94 and 92. Not a huge difference from the competitor's site but this shilled site now has an 91.7 average. If someone comes along and reviews their shilled site's top competitor a 95, it will only raise the top competitor's average to an 89.8 and keeps it below their shilled site, even if someone rated their top competitor's site a 99 it would only raise the average to 90.8 which is still below their shilled site's average. Two of the sway-shills operating here are two of the better ones I've seen, most likely professional technical writers, but one of them has a bad temper. When I scored their shilled site a 75, he immediately posted a review of a competitor's site and named me by name in it saying I must have "guessed" at the number of videos on the site. Was it just coincidence it was his first review since my 75 review of the site he was shilling? It's very uncommon for a reviewer to name another reviewer negatively in a review of a porn site. While saying I must have guessed isn't blatantly obvious as an insult it could be used to discredit me and my reviews. Since I am familiar with sway-shills and knew he was one, I replied to his review and showed multiple mistakes in his review. Sway-shills rarely join the sites they review. They have someone that feeds them the information to post and it was outdated. Needless to say, he's not been seen since. You can see that here: https://www.pornusers.com/replies_view.html?id=109871 My first time I jacked off, I thought I'd invented it. I looked down at my sloppy handful of junk and thought, This is going to make me rich. - Chuck Palahniuk Edited on May 26, 2020, 11:42pm | |
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| 05-27-20 01:13am - 1670 days | #7 | |
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Homegirl (0)
Suspended Posts: 45 Registered: Mar 21, '20 Location: new york |
If Exotics is right that points were ended because of manipulation, there must be another way to control what goes on around here. I now have 15 reviews and 7 trust votes. I think that would be 30 points, ahead of many others here, yet I will be a newbie unless the system is made right. For those who posted their feelings, i can only say thank you. Tom, You are the boss and I respect that. In return I ask that you show us respect too. The path of arrogance is one full of long term danger for the site. I joined because of a few former members that I know. I will not name names, but they all had doubts about whether this site is fair to its members. Female and proud | |
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| 05-27-20 05:53am - 1670 days | #8 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
I get it, I do. Sad to say that if there is a system there will be those to find a way to exploit it. It's sad that they choose to punish the 95% honest members to stop the other 5% dishonest infiltrators. Exotics4me as ever you are a voice of reason and a valuable source of knowledge. I remember a year or so ago Mbaya got into it with a guy who I strongly suspect was either the webmaster/owner of the site or a overly temperamental shill over a review he did. Still no reply to my email from Tom and no reply from any admins here. I would like to know where we go from here with the points system scrapped. Side note I just noticed you can only vote to trust someone, you can not vote NO........  Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 05-27-20 06:07am - 1670 days | #9 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
The only solution I can think of is after submitting a selected number of reviews it triggers a flag for admins to review the accounts, what has been reviewed and such. If evidence of shilling is seen then all reviews from that member are pulled with the member being banned. Same for one and done reviews, after a set amount of time the reviews are deleted. If an account isn't logged into after say 6 months the account is flagged for deletion. Hopefully this would drastically reduce shilling. But the problem with this is this requires massive admin participation and I don't think this is any admins full time job. Maybe scrap the raffle and put it towards a full time employee to over see and maintain the site? If a prize is still needed then a way cheaper 1 year membership to the site of the members choice? Thoughts anyone? Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi Edited on May 27, 2020, 06:31am (Wraith0711: added to comment) | |
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| 05-27-20 09:51am - 1670 days | #10 | |
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Homegirl (0)
Suspended Posts: 45 Registered: Mar 21, '20 Location: new york |
This site should be for sharing information and having some fun too. You cant vote no if you sell on ebay either. Female and proud | |
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| 05-27-20 09:59pm - 1669 days | #11 | |
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Loki (0)
Active User  Posts: 395 Registered: Jun 13, '07 Location: California |
Every system can be gamed. It's unfortunate that some bad actors were shilling for sites instead of writing honest and informative reviews, but that's going to happen. I'm not really sure what can and should be done about it. PU has made a number of changes in the last year or two, and a lot of the quality reviewers that contributed regularly stopped reviewing or posting in the forums. Several have deactivated their accounts. There was a sweet spot for PU a few years ago. Maybe those halcyon days are gone for good, but I still hope that the site can turn around and make the changes necessary to please the user base and get good, solid amateur reviews. "A man talking sense to himself is no madder than a man talking nonsense not to himself." | |
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| 05-29-20 04:03am - 1668 days | #12 | |
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Kody (0)
Active User Posts: 26 Registered: Feb 03, '18 Location: NYC |
I agree with this. Every new rule or system has it downsides. And there will always be somewhat of an "arms race" between the people managing the system and the people trying to exploit it. They find the new holes in the system and then proceed with their ways. If systems are changed that cause long-term members to leave, that's an indicator the new system does more harm then good. But if as a community, we are allowed to speak our mind when something looks off, and then decide together if there's evidence or not, I'm sure we can take care of it. Maybe a percentage will go unnoticed. But then I assume that's also because they stayed pretty close to the behavior of a normal reviewer in terms of points and opinions. So in that case, they also do less damage. When shills are being used to create falsified score (e.g. boosting the rating of a site that clearly has some serious issues if you read the other reviews), they will always be obvious to members that have seen this happen before. | |
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| 05-29-20 05:11am - 1668 days | #13 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
Thanks for the reply Kody. I have seen reviewers called out here before and it got ugly fast. They weren't shills but I highly think they were either the site webmaster or the site owner. When it comes to scores Even if I totally love a site I never score higher than a 95%, I see a score of 100% I automatically call bullshit. The way this site is headed there is gonna be a mass exit and that's just sad because absolutely nothing is being done to stop it. If the points are being discontinued then make a post explaining what is going on, show a fraction of respect to the members and explain whats going on and where do we go from here. Like the raffle changes post. COMMUNICATION PEOPLE!!!!! Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should. Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 05-29-20 07:24am - 1668 days | #14 | |
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marcdc1 (0)
Active User Posts: 139 Registered: Jan 10, '07 Location: New York |
Wraith - I think you make a good point about the need for communication. The whole point of this site is to get information about porn sites from actual users. Since "no one knows your a dog on the internet" we need tools for identifying shills. I do want to challenge you on your policy of "never giving a score higher than 95". To me this reminds me of those teachers in school who would say: "no one can get a 100 because no one is perfect." If 95 is your best - well then that's a 100, why not compliment excellence when you find it. I agree when I see a new poster throwing down a 100 I keep scrolling. In my case, I've used a 100 two or three times out of the over 250 reviews I've completed. And I stand by those scores. I feel if a site has set a bar for itself and accomplishes that goal it should be rewarded with the 100. In my case, that's been for lelulove.com and finishesthejob.com. I think both sites set clear expectations for what they were selling and met or exceeded those expectations. I mean this post by way of discussion and acknowledge that it's a little off-topic. I interest in what others think and will post a separate thread if anyone wants to have a respectful, open-minded discussion (I'm willing to change my mind on this topic) | |
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| 05-29-20 12:25pm - 1668 days | #15 | |
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Wraith0711 (0)
Active User Posts: 281 Registered: May 02, '15 Location: Pueblo CO USA |
That's one of the reasons I don't go higher than 95 as I don't think I've reviewed enough sites to earn that score. I don't take offense either, criticism as long as it's constructive is ok in my book. 100 from a newb don't mean crap, 100 coming from a porn addict is something else entirely, instant click to check that shit out lmfao  Yeah, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should.Dr. Ian Malcolm Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him? Obi Wan Kenobi | |
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| 05-31-20 10:41am - 1666 days | #16 | |
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marcdc1 (0)
Active User Posts: 139 Registered: Jan 10, '07 Location: New York |
Thank you for engaging in respectful dialogue. It was once the hallmark of this community - I hope we can build it back, users, moderators, hell even the shills  | |
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