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10-02-10  12:09pm - 5157 days Original Post - #1
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MILFS?

This must be the most abused niche in a long list of abused niches! It was bad enough when they presented women in their mid-twenties as MILFs but now there are DVDs out, called "Teen MILFS" or "Young MILFS." There's no way you could broaden a definition any more than that! Totally makes the term MILF insignificant when it is listed as a category on a DVD site.

And the MILFs so-called "young lovers," don't get me started on that. Here it is just the opposite, they are not too young but generally too old. The producers know a neat little trick though. Just have those thirty year olds wear a baseball cap on backward, that'll do it! Now everyone will assume they are of college age or younger. Edited on Oct 02, 2010, 12:12pm

10-02-10  12:24pm - 5157 days #2
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What a brilliant idea, wear a baseball cap backward and become a teenage. That's what I'm doing from now on.

I don't think they really enforce the "truth in advertising" law for porn. You want to talk to Pres Obama to see if he's willing to appoint you as Porn Czar of North America?

Then we could go after porn producers who waste our time and money on substandard porn. And there are lots of those producers around. Maybe the majority of them.

10-02-10  03:27pm - 5157 days #3
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MILFs! They're old! They're young! They're young and agile enough to wear a baseball cap backwards, yet old and haggard enough to join AARP!

(Just thought I'd try helping out with some quick 'n dirty ad copy.)

Life itself is kind of boring, and hard. Then you die. The porn producers, just like the people who created the Pet Rock, are trying to activate our imaginations for the sake of entertainment, which is, if not the pathway of hope, the temporary suspension of despair.

No wonder so much of it is bullshit. I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-02-10  03:28pm - 5157 days #4
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Originally Posted by lk2fireone:


What a brilliant idea, wear a baseball cap backward and become a teenage. That's what I'm doing from now on.

I don't think they really enforce the "truth in advertising" law for porn. You want to talk to Pres Obama to see if he's willing to appoint you as Porn Czar of North America?

Then we could go after porn producers who waste our time and money on substandard porn. And there are lots of those producers around. Maybe the majority of them.


Porn Czar? Sounds good, do you think he'd go for appointing a foreigner? Probably not a good idea anyway, the producers would probably sue me for restricting their freedom of expression!

10-02-10  03:37pm - 5157 days #5
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


MILFs! They're old! They're young! They're young and agile enough to wear a baseball cap backwards, yet old and haggard enough to join AARP!

(Just thought I'd try helping out with some quick 'n dirty ad copy.)

Life itself is kind of boring, and hard. Then you die. The porn producers, just like the people who created the Pet Rock, are trying to activate our imaginations for the sake of entertainment, which is, if not the pathway of hope, the temporary suspension of despair.

No wonder so much of it is bullshit.


The producers activate my imagination, all right, I see myself slugging them for thinking we're all stupid! How can you suspend disbelief and go with a fantasy if the so-called Milf and her young lover are of the same age???

They're leaving us callously in our state of despair and they are going to have to answer for that some day!

10-02-10  05:43pm - 5157 days #6
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I say that "MILF" applies to moms who have had a child within the last few years, regardless of their age. I see plenty of women my age or around my age that have kids (and they can't all be adoptions or surrogates) and who look very hot and are in great shape. Honestly many of these moms look like they belong in a porn shoot, save for the smarmy bastard accompanying her...I mean her loving husband.

Anyway, too many people have the whole MILF genre interpreted as age-based--late 30s through early 50s or so--and written in stone, so when you see the "teen MILFs" you naturally get upset. Maybe it should mean Middle aged women I'd Like to Fuck instead? In theory any girl in porn could be a mom (and a surprising number are) so the term might not be as "abused" as you think. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-02-10  05:47pm - 5157 days #7
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Hey, Drooler, just noticed you're about to pass the 1,000 posts mark--congrats!

"It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

10-02-10  06:16pm - 5157 days #8
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I say that "MILF" applies to moms who have had a child within the last few years, regardless of their age. I see plenty of women my age or around my age that have kids (and they can't all be adoptions or surrogates) and who look very hot and are in great shape. Honestly many of these moms look like they belong in a porn shoot, save for the smarmy bastard accompanying her...I mean her loving husband.

Anyway, too many people have the whole MILF genre interpreted as age-based--late 30s through early 50s or so--and written in stone, so when you see the "teen MILFs" you naturally get upset. Maybe it should mean Middle aged women I'd Like to Fuck instead? In theory any girl in porn could be a mom (and a surprising number are) so the term might not be as "abused" as you think.


In theory you are right, of course, turboshaft. A sixteen year old could be a MILF but I am going by the accepted view of what a MILF is and that would indeed be someone in their late thirties to early fifties. By your reasoning a woman in her thirties could be a Granny (or GILF) but if I look for Granny material I'm not looking for a hot woman in her thirties. It all depends how the (porn) community at large defines these things and MILF has, from the beginning meant older than late thirties. The only reason I can see for seeing Teen MILF DVDs on the menu is probably because some folks have all of a sudden developed a weird fetish in connection with kids having kids!?

10-03-10  03:02am - 5156 days #9
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Hey, Drooler, just noticed you're about to pass the 1,000 posts mark--congrats!




Funny, I happened to notice that myself, though I rarely look at that figure.

Well, here goes: Blah-blah-blah-blah!

Done! (With pretty much what it took to get there.)

For this, I thank the many people who got me responding. Among them are Wittyguy, with those PU Awards; Denner, who likes to freshen things up with brand-new threads a lot (Denner, please don't think me a "Klaphat"); Messmer, with those "Help me, I think I'm starting to love ... bestiality!" or such threads (actually, though, I don't think he's gotten quite that far ...); and what's-his-name who dreamed up a conspiracy of raffle winnings and made me one of his targets.

And there were many more ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-03-10  06:19am - 5156 days #10
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Originally Posted by messmer:


This must be the most abused niche in a long list of abused niches! It was bad enough when they presented women in their mid-twenties as MILFs but now there are DVDs out, called "Teen MILFS" or "Young MILFS." There's no way you could broaden a definition any more than that! Totally makes the term MILF insignificant when it is listed as a category on a DVD site.


Some time ago I read at a porn insider blog (Gram Ponante) that there's a DVD series called "Transsexual MILFs". As long as the M stands for Mom, that's broadening the definition.

10-03-10  06:27am - 5156 days #11
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Drooler, Congrats on hitting the 1000 mark !

We appreciate your patronage and hope you'll stick around for a long while to come. Former PornUsers Senior Administrator
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10-03-10  07:16am - 5156 days #12
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Just saw this........
My oldest amigo here at PU: Drooler,The Drooler, Ze Droolah, ect.
A 1000 - CONGRATS, buddy!
Yes, like Khan states - hope you'll be around - for ever...
This place would NOT be the same without you! "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle"

10-03-10  09:35am - 5156 days #13
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Originally Posted by atrapat:


Some time ago I read at a porn insider blog (Gram Ponante) that there's a DVD series called "Transsexual MILFs". As long as the M stands for Mom, that's broadening the definition.


Now that is really a stretch, atrapat!!!

10-03-10  09:43am - 5156 days #14
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Congratulations from me as well, Drooler. And may I state that it is people like you who keep me coming back!

10-03-10  09:50am - 5156 days #15
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Originally Posted by Drooler:


Messmer, with those "Help me, I think I'm starting to love ... bestiality!" or such threads (actually, though, I don't think he's gotten quite that far ...)


Give me time, Drooler, I've had to cast a wider net, seeing that no one caters to my particular(peculiar?)taste. I am starting to move in dark territories ... bwahahaha!

10-03-10  11:50am - 5156 days #16
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Thanks, everyone, for the warm reception of my millennial forum posting. I suppose that my occasional invisible exercise of restraint at sitting down at the "virtual diner counter" has actually kept me from getting here sooner, if you can believe that!

Not that that matters now ... I wanted something new, so I left England for New England.

10-03-10  07:00pm - 5156 days #17
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Congratulation Drooler on reaching the 1000 posts mark. You know that the next one is 2000 posts.

Now back to the conversation at hand. as messmer already said. It's true that any girl or woman that has had a child is a milf by definition but I prefer to limit that title to women that are over 30 and preferably over 35(at least in looks). It makes it easier for people looking for milf content if that fetish isn't clutered with very young girls and women. Long live the Brown Coats.

10-04-10  12:34am - 5155 days #18
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Congratulations on reaching 1000 posts. I find that number unimaginable. Just thinking of all the effort makes me dizzy.

10-04-10  01:04pm - 5155 days #19
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Originally Posted by mbaya:


Congratulations on reaching 1000 posts. I find that number unimaginable. Just thinking of all the effort makes me dizzy.


... coming from the man with over 150 PU reviews

Anyway, congrats to the Drooler for all his "Droogles" here in the forum and the Canadian tag team of Messmer and Pat for showing the world that two cannot drink too much Elsinore beer and still function coherently (... is that a slam or a tip of the hat, I can't tell cause of the all meds I'm on). Edited on Oct 04, 2010, 01:07pm

10-04-10  07:59pm - 5155 days #20
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Originally Posted by Wittyguy:


... coming from the man with over 150 PU reviews

Anyway, congrats to the Drooler for all his "Droogles" here in the forum and the Canadian tag team of Messmer and Pat for showing the world that two cannot drink too much Elsinore beer and still function coherently (... is that a slam or a tip of the hat, I can't tell cause of the all meds I'm on).


I can't tell either because my meds beat your meds, hands down! So let's assume it's a tip of the hat!

11-16-10  06:31pm - 5112 days #21
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I just saw one performer Jessica Lynn perform in two separate films:

1. Before I'm 21.
2. Cougar High (as a "cougar" high school teacher.)

11-17-10  05:59am - 5111 days #22
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It's probably safer to refer to age ranges rather than using terms like MILF.

It's like the term "granny". If someone advertised granny porn (which sounds scary to me!) then I would expect the women shown to be 50+, 60+, but there's a girl who lives in my area who is 27 and she's a grandmother (Both she and her daughter had their first child at 13 - Do they count as MILFs?)! Her mum is only in her mid 40s and she's a great-grandmother. The word becomes meaningless - we should stick to ages. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

11-17-10  08:18pm - 5111 days #23
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MILF is one of those terms that can be widely defined by different porn producers without any of them technically being "wrong". That's fine, there seems to be many of those terms/phrases in the porn world.

Instead of debating what I think it does mean I will simply describe what I'd like it to mean. Here goes:

Because of the adjective, "mother" I think it should be handled similar to other theme based porn where you build a little fantasy around it. Maybe the woman could be dressed like a housewife at the house or in the grocery store. Maybe she seduces the pool boy or is more the conservative type that gets pursued by the next door neighbor -- you get the picture.

We can be liberal with age but the key is you need to buy that she is a "mother" and you should have the desire to "fuck" her. I'd say going into the teens doesn't really fit the mold as a realistic mother figure so after that maybe mid 20's to late 30's have the majority of like-to-fuck women.

11-19-10  08:21am - 5109 days #24
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Sounds like the "Housewife" niche from the 70s-80s (and probably much earlier) which seems to have been forgotten now. That's what I assumed the MILF niche loosely replaced. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity.

11-24-10  01:32am - 5104 days #25
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Originally Posted by malikstarks:


I just saw one performer Jessica Lynn perform in two separate films:

1. Before I'm 21.
2. Cougar High (as a "cougar" high school teacher.)


Where were these teachers when I was going to high school?

11-24-10  10:12am - 5104 days #26
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Originally Posted by Ed2009:


Sounds like the "Housewife" niche from the 70s-80s (and probably much earlier) which seems to have been forgotten now. That's what I assumed the MILF niche loosely replaced.


Very loosely. I just saw a DVD titled Teen MILF (or Teenage MILF?)!!!

11-26-10  03:12am - 5102 days #27
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Originally Posted by gonzooprano:


Where were these teachers when I was going to high school?


Hey gonzooprano I'm somewhat intrigued by the look of some of the sites you have. It's hard finding pix of some those old school big boob models. It would be nice if some of the site facts on TBP were updated a bit.

11-27-10  12:46am - 5101 days #28
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Originally Posted by malikstarks:


Hey gonzooprano I'm somewhat intrigued by the look of some of the sites you have. It's hard finding pix of some those old school big boob models. It would be nice if some of the site facts on TBP were updated a bit.


Thank you for you input and I will pass along your intrigue to my partner.
Anton Fury has probably shot most of the old school big boob models you speak of over the last 7 years as editor of Gent Magazine.

We are working on getting those sites ready for a look from the staff here.

As Im a new user here but as Kahn will tell you Ive been around a long time - I dont know how to drive this system.

Can you point me to which facts you would like to have updated?
I will endeavor to do my best.

11-27-10  06:43pm - 5101 days #29
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Originally Posted by gonzooprano:


Thank you for you input and I will pass along your intrigue to my partner.
Anton Fury has probably shot most of the old school big boob models you speak of over the last 7 years as editor of Gent Magazine.

We are working on getting those sites ready for a look from the staff here.

As Im a new user here but as Kahn will tell you Ive been around a long time - I dont know how to drive this system.

Can you point me to which facts you would like to have updated?
I will endeavor to do my best.



The facts detailing the number of pics, vids etc. on a site. for instance this page:

https://www.thebestporn.com/review/cleavagekittens/

Most sites will show some fairly detailed information here (take some time to compare). Obviously you don't have to do this. It's your perogative, but I think the layout of your intro page leaves a lot of questions.

No offense, but for the experienced porn user your intro layout is similar to alot of generic/clone sites. To be honest I think I've passed on some of yours before because of this. Funny thing is upon closer inspection it looks as though even though your content is taken from a number of different places, you still seem to have some very-and rare-content.

It would just be a good to know how much of that content is available for the price, also I may have missed it but I don't know if you provide network access, etc. All these things could be included in the site facts. Edited on Nov 27, 2010, 06:59pm

11-28-10  02:10am - 5100 days #30
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Originally Posted by malikstarks:


The facts detailing the number of pics, vids etc. on a site. for instance this page:

https://www.thebestporn.com/review/cleavagekittens/

Most sites will show some fairly detailed information here (take some time to compare). Obviously you don't have to do this. It's your perogative, but I think the layout of your intro page leaves a lot of questions.

No offense, but for the experienced porn user your intro layout is similar to alot of generic/clone sites. To be honest I think I've passed on some of yours before because of this. Funny thing is upon closer inspection it looks as though even though your content is taken from a number of different places, you still seem to have some very-and rare-content.

It would just be a good to know how much of that content is available for the price, also I may have missed it but I don't know if you provide network access, etc. All these things could be included in the site facts.

That information is filled out by the good folks here at TBP.
And yes it is rare content. Anton has never released his stuff on the web up until now. If you have specific questions why not email him fury@antonfury.com I cant imagine any serious content shooter that wouldnt want to hear from his customers.

I dont want to jack this thread but I will set up a Kittens password for the staff review.

I love that TBP a PU exists. We arent a faceless company like so many that just wants to get your credit card information so we can cross sale you a bunch of crap.

Hope this helps and I appreciate your honest feedback.

11-30-10  05:09pm - 5098 days #31
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I found this blog on The Daily Beast written by Aurora Snow about how she went from barely legal to MILF. At 24.

Apparently in the industry it's all a big numbers game, hence regardless of how young someone looks, it's her birthdate that really matters. There seems to a few short precious years from the time they turn 18 to their early 20s when they need to be replaced/retired.

What, do they think all of us porn fans are just a bunch of math nerds?! No offense to the number lovers out there (or the genuine math nerds) but come on! What are we going to watch a video and then see a hot 24 or 25 year old girl and go "Ewww! She's no longer 23! This sucks!" "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

11-30-10  07:34pm - 5098 days #32
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


I found this blog on The Daily Beast written by Aurora Snow about how she went from barely legal to MILF. At 24.

Apparently in the industry it's all a big numbers game, hence regardless of how young someone looks, it's her birthdate that really matters. There seems to a few short precious years from the time they turn 18 to their early 20s when they need to be replaced/retired.

What, do they think all of us porn fans are just a bunch of math nerds?! No offense to the number lovers out there (or the genuine math nerds) but come on! What are we going to watch a video and then see a hot 24 or 25 year old girl and go "Ewww! She's no longer 23! This sucks!"


Quite an eloquent lady, that Aurora Snow! It's sad that there should be such a premium on being "barely legal", because I don't see any porn star in her mid to late twenties who looks as if she has been ravaged by time.

They even look delicious in their thirties and later years unless they let drugs get to them. And I stand by that! Down with age discrimination!

12-01-10  12:08pm - 5097 days #33
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Originally Posted by messmer:


Quite an eloquent lady, that Aurora Snow! It's sad that there should be such a premium on being "barely legal", because I don't see any porn star in her mid to late twenties who looks as if she has been ravaged by time.


Aurora certainly hasn't been ravaged by time! In fact if you find her very early video work where she's either solo or girl-girl she doesn't look quite as good as she does today, at least in my opinion. And she has done pretty much the full gambit of hardcore, minus the really abusive and Annette Schwartz-style stuff, but she does have more than 250 credits(!) to her name and they're not Playboy.

She sounds pretty intelligent in interviews though, not just another party girl who likes nasty sex, but a sexy woman with a brain and hopefully the foresight to save her earnings (and marry me! ). I think she's done some directing since her MILF designation in her mid 20s and supposedly even wants to go to law school...and now, suddenly, I want to too. "It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works." - Gen. Jack D. Rippper, Dr. Stranglove

12-01-10  07:00pm - 5097 days #34
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Originally Posted by turboshaft:


Aurora certainly hasn't been ravaged by time! In fact if you find her very early video work where she's either solo or girl-girl she doesn't look quite as good as she does today, at least in my opinion. And she has done pretty much the full gambit of hardcore, minus the really abusive and Annette Schwartz-style stuff, but she does have more than 250 credits(!) to her name and they're not Playboy.

She sounds pretty intelligent in interviews though, not just another party girl who likes nasty sex, but a sexy woman with a brain and hopefully the foresight to save her earnings (and marry me! ). I think she's done some directing since her MILF designation in her mid 20s and supposedly even wants to go to law school...and now, suddenly, I want to too.


I always liked Aurora and still do. I find that she still looks amazing. I'm not sure what you meant by the really abusive stuff but Aurora did a couple of DAP in the beginning.

I've read a couple of articles that she wrote and I agree that she seems quite inteligent. I'm not implying that other performers aren't inteligent but she's just more inteligent than many. Long live the Brown Coats.

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