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| 02-21-11 10:57am - 5053 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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pinkerton (0)
Active User  Posts: 151 Registered: Jan 13, '07 Location: UK |
Pirated porn I've noticed lots of porn content from pay sites ends up linked on various porn forums to subscription-based file-hosting sites such as RapidShare, HotFile, DepositFiles, FileSonic and loads of others. I'll decline to name the porn forums but they're easily found via google and a few pornstar names. It does make me wonder if the owners of the content that's being ripped-off have majority shares or even own these file-hosting sites? After all it's better to get at least some revenue from the pirates rather than none at all, even if it's less than the membership fee to your pay-site. Just a thought... | |
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| 02-21-11 11:19am - 5053 days | #2 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
I don't think this is the case. If so you would at a minimum see numerous adult site ads and pop-ups when visiting these sites. On a side note, the site the file-hosting site hotfile has just recently been effectively shut down for pirated porn. Seems as though they caved to legal pressure from the porn industry after briefly becoming the #1 file-hosting site (for porn anyway). Now they have taken the drastic step of suspending the accounts of suspected pirates and they are serious about. | |
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| 02-21-11 01:22pm - 5053 days | #3 | |
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pinkerton (0)
Active User Posts: 151 Registered: Jan 13, '07 Location: UK |
The reason for my original post was that this pirated material does seem to be dsitributed illegally seemingly with the tacit consent of the pay-sites. After all, very little of the content is taken down and it can't be too difficult for pay sites to track the posts on these forums and file-hosting sites. | |
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| 02-21-11 02:45pm - 5053 days | #4 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
They certainly DON'T have my consent. There used to be a very old copy of a large part of one of my sites on some of those sites, but then there's also collections of junk photos claiming to be my site. What they do/allow is illegal, but taking effective action against them is complicated and potentially very expensive. To a large degree most sites have to rely on most potential customers being intelligent enough to know that it is a con, that most of what is available is either old, reduced or incomplete, and that piracy is a criminal activity in most of the world. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 02-21-11 05:13pm - 5052 days | #5 | |
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malikstarks (0)
Active User Posts: 108 Registered: Nov 19, '07 Location: Florida |
Overall, when it comes to piracy the industry's concerns are in this order: 1. Tube Sites 2. Torrents 3. File hosts They are definitely concerned about the file hosting sites, but not nearly to the degree of the first two. Mainly because from a numbers standpoint, the first two are having a far greater impact, and there are limited resources to combat the overall problem. Also a lot of it is taken down, depending on the adult site involved and the resources they have available. Many of the biggest sites I'm sure don't feel threatened as much by file hosts due to the large base of paying customers they can draw from. Also a number of the biggest sites have deals worked out with most of the biggest file sharing forums to have their content banned from being posted. All of the major file sharing forums have a pretty lengthy list found under their "rules" section. The more moderately sized sites are the ones you will often see taken down. They can't afford to just look the other way, and they do have some resources to combat the problem. One example of this is facial abuse. If you do a search for Facialabuse on just about any forum or blog all of the links will be blank. It's virtually a guarantee. Just a week ago I saw a complete site rip on facialabuse with all the links still active. THE VERY NEXT DAY it was taken down. Edited on Mar 09, 2011, 12:12pm | |
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| 03-14-11 03:23am - 5032 days | #6 | |
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JuicyBunny (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 17 Registered: Aug 30, '10 Location: Santa Monica |
NO one has my permission to steal our content. Just numbers of theft forums are ballooning like crazy right now... We have signed up with 2 companies who police the torrents and the theft sites. We plan lawsuits first in eu then in states when usgov gets its head out of its ass. The same tards who claim it should all be free are signing up as affils for the scumbag photo hosts... It would help too if we BAN companies from shows that steal openly, like BRAZZERS for example. Theft really pisses me off. JuicyBunnyCash.com | |
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| 03-17-11 06:36pm - 5028 days | #7 | |
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PinkPanther (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,136 Registered: Jan 08, '07 Location: Oakland, CA |
There are forums that have strict rules about posting only officially-sanctioned material. There are forums that exist for their rep for having the best collection of pirated material. Owners of sites and web-masters have a choice to make: Take a hands-off approach, mainly, and figure the money and time they save by not pursuing the thieves they'll make up by having a more appealing site. Other sites put a lot of energy and time and money into stopping the thieves, but it's always a game of whack-a-mole, because there are always new piracy-forums and blogs popping up and always file-sharing sites popping up as well. | |
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| 03-18-11 06:49am - 5028 days | #8 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
This entire deal seems to grow in vast quantities - certainly NOT in quality....AND QUALITY IS SOMEWHAT THE BOTTOM LINE HERE. I'd feel a bit lousy to - REALLY - join/go for that stealing process, but ALSO I think it's not worth it. Not because I feel sorry for the the whole porn-business in general (some paysites excluded) - but because that rip-off idea does not give me satisfaction. All - or most - pornusers/browsers have come across these "deals" or "offers" where you can download extraordinary amounts of porn with a little help from places like those file-hosting places (like pinkerton mentions) - AND the enormous amounts of forums whom you could call The Pushers - with some exceptions like PP mentions. The worse sites seems to be located in Russia - where it's probably damn difficult with law suits. Not that I care much, but anyway... But primarily to an average PU like this user my main aspects are these - after a period of "sniffing to it" - and I even came across forums where some people are using my username (it's not exclusive, of course, LOL): Mostly those pirated files are not in original quality, but less. Second: there's so much virus shit and other malware around in these files or/and especially the forums - so your're in for a great risk. Third: The search-deal ect. is NOT worth the work - even for a porn-browser-loving PU - there're just TOO MUCH crap out there. Finally: I've spend a lot of money over the years on pay-sites - but compared to that pirate material it's money well spend - even if there's a bummer-site now and then. "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Mar 18, 2011, 07:44am | |
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| 01-09-12 08:01am - 4731 days | #11 | |
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kalo (0)
Suspended Posts: 1 Registered: Jan 09, '12 Location: kh |
It's already been shown that a download does not equal a lost sale. The idea of the copyright laws is to stop people from *profiting* from other peoples work. I recall reading a story of how an adult shop was selling copied DVDs to customers instead of the originals. IMO that is what piracy is about stopping things like that. I know a lot of people have treated downloads as a trial of sorts. Many have complained about being double-charged, false advertising,problem downloading(because of caps) etc I know the Facial Abuse guys have been getting a lot of negative reviews of late. They used to offer the 3 abuse sites(Facial,Latina and Ghetto Gaggers) as one subscription they have now split it up but the price is the same. So someone would have to now plat $90 instead of $30..that encourages piracy right there(sign up for one and d/l the others), People have complained about lack of updates and deceptive updates(using years old material and re-dating it as new) people have complained about signing up for 90 day subscriptions and then having it canceled after 2 days with no refund...so bad experiences like that can cause people to look for other ways to get their porn..I've read in Russia they actually tax computer equipment and the like and distribute it to media complainants kayleighpearson.narod.ru | |
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| 01-09-12 11:32am - 4731 days | #12 | |
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pat362 (0)
Active User  Posts: 3,575 Registered: Jan 23, '07 Location: canada |
^I'm not sure where you saw the bad reviews for FA because the last 2 reviews had a 79 and 85 score which are very good scores. I gave them a 79 score on my 2010 review and that was beside the fact that I didn't enjoy the content and will never return. It's true that the guys behind those sites have split the network into multiple sites but that has nothing to do with reviews and everything to do with trying to make more money. Downloading one pirated video from a website may not equal a lost in sales but downloading half the sites content does. The same way that visiting a tube site and watching one video and then joining the site it came from. The dilemm facing the porn industry is that people don't have any problem in regularly downloading a full dvd or a sites full content from torrent sites and way too many people visit tube sites on a regular basis and they don't stream a video and then join the sites it came from but simply stream the video, jerk off and repeat the process when they are in the mood. Long live the Brown Coats. | |
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| 01-10-12 08:35am - 4730 days | #13 | |
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Cybertoad (0)
Disabled User  Posts: 2,158 Registered: Jan 01, '08 Location: Wash |
I have to agree Pat, I take professional pictures and have to watermark my work because it will end up being used and I will miss a sale. There are so many people making movies and taking pictures that it is hard to protect your work. Torrents while they operate on the premise they can pass along work that is not theirs. Undermine any and all in the media industry. Its a stupid question with perilis results. Who wants free porn? Well that is a stupid question, as everyone would like free porn. Problem the torrents and tube sites are not free porn. They are turning the media industry into a simple who gives a crap system. And as this goes on the money to support new porn will die, and it already is, take torrents and tube sites with a stagnant economy and it is a recipe for failure.  Since 2007 | |
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| 01-12-12 06:54pm - 4727 days | #14 | |
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WeeWillyWinky (0)
Active User  Posts: 243 Registered: Jun 03, '07 Location: Havasu City, AZ USA |
As a picture collector, and not terribly interested anymore in adult video, I'd have to say that the proliferation of property theft all across the internet has reached obscene levels, and I DO NOT blame the producers of said property for trying to protect it, or for taking any action necessary in an effort to do so. As my profile here will show anyone, I've paid quite a lot of money for my enjoyment of adult entertainment. I've been a multi-month subscriber to some five or six sites, and have joined countless others. I've joined FAR more sites than I've mentioned or written reviews about here. I'm a free-market advocate and a defender of capitalism, and I do not mind paying for a product that I value; in fact, I expect, and even prefer to pay for it. All that being said, I know I've no doubt downloaded and saved a great deal of photographs from various sites which I have not paid for. This causes my conscience to kick in from time to time and I end up dumping all my stuff. I try to stick to TGPs and various blog sites owned by the producers of content, who authorize and encourage the viewing and downloading of free samples, but due to the amplitude of material out there, and the number of TGPs, blogs, and other traffic-generating sites, I essentially realized that I could collect photos until my fingers calloused over and still not have scratched the surface of what is available - for free, and legally free, as well as what has been uploaded illegally. But, the situation is completely out of hand now. I recently began surfing Tumblr sites, and on that site alone there must be millions and millions of photographs, uploaded by users as a means of sharing, without profiting from them, but without the permission of their owners. If I were the owner of a website that produced primarily photo content, like Met-Art for instance, it would obviously irk me to no end to know that virtually my entire catalog had been uploaded by users who had no hand in making the product whatsoever, and no right to "share" it with others. The inevitable happens, though, and many Tumblr blogs are little more than TGPs and traffic generating machines, run by the owners and/or producers of content. You end up going from one blog to the other like a ping-pong ball, until you wind up with a swarm of ads, pop-ups, and goodness knows what else. And Tumblr is only one site. There are God-knows how many more. Flickr (which has a gigantic underbelly of porn, both amateur and pirated, only marginally policed due to the amplitude of content), Webshots, Photobucket, etc. If you venture into the land of foreign sites, it becomes even more ridiculous. In Japan, I doubt if there is a single producer of adult photographic content who hasn't had their entire catalog uploaded to the various blogs and file-hosting sites. And let's not even mention the proliferation of Use-net and newsgroups archive sites, whose owners are magically free of all responsibility in regard to what their paying customers will be able to view and download. Granted, file-hosting and tube sites are often a great means of advertising for the big companies, and especially the smaller ones, but it seems to me that the people who are making millions off of the recklessly "shared" property of others, such as the owners of YouTube, Flickr, and Tumblr, just to name a few, ought to arrive at a point when their conscience begins to kick in. Ask yourself why the individual who uploads copyrighted material to Youtube, and makes not a single penny from it, should be criminally liable, while the owners of the site where the material was uploaded, who are profiting from any and all traffic generated by said material, should get off scot-free? What is the rationale behind that? ie: As it currently stands, the individual who is sharing material and not making a penny, is the one guilty of property theft and/or copyright infringement; but the owners of the site where that material is uploaded, are making a profit, and yet are not guilty of property theft or copyright infringement. That is upside down and bass-ackwards, if you ask me. You know what I hate the most about selfish people? It's that they don't think enough about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!! Edited on Jan 12, 2012, 07:03pm | |
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| 01-18-12 07:30pm - 4721 days | #15 | |
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BubbaGump (0)
Active User  Posts: 109 Registered: Jan 08, '12 Location: USA |
I think the majority of those who surf for the free, pirated stuff probably fall into three classes: -- 19-20 year olds, Young adults(or beyond) who don't have much income and/or established credit and have no credit cards. -- Married individuals who would, but are afraid, to subscribe to a porn website and use their credit card or checking accounts for billing, as they don't want the spouse finding it out. -- Those who can afford it and do not fall into the second category above, but are just too cheap to pay for it. Outside of going after the pirates, I don't think there is much the industry can do to deter the first class. This is the most difficult case, as young folks generally don't think of piracy as theft(when you are young you feel entitled to everything) and they often just don't have much in the way of disposable income. I would think that this class is the perfect storm for consumption of pirated media--regardless of media type or genre. The Second class would benefit from more clandestine payment options, although I can't readily think of any off the top of my head. The third class can possibly be shamed and this is probably the group you are most likely to have success with when appealing to conscience. Regardless, as long as the internet exists, there will always be piracy. I don't think there are any easy solutions. Government regulations probably will have little impact, outside of shutting down the entire internet or going to extreme lengths of censorship like China--then again, piracy is rampant in China and I suspect a lot of the piracy occurs there. One tactic that has an outside chance of diminsihing piracy is the fear of viral infections--everyone is afraid of getting them and a lot of people associate downloading porn as something that puts yourself at a greatly increased risk of obtaining a virus. If the legit sites can prey on this fear, it might put a bit of a dent into it. To strike the point home with those who consume pirated material, if they know who has been pirating their site and offering it up for consumption, they could always find a way for them to get hold of some images that have an embedded..oops, I didn't say that--Just Kidding  Edited on Jan 18, 2012, 07:45pm | |
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