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| 11-25-10 02:37am - 5141 days | Original Post - #1 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster  Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Some advice from the experts in porn: Site format Ok, I noticed a total newbie ask some questions about his site, so I thought, after trawling through loads of polls and posts that I've earned the right to approach you directly peoples. Its my website re-vamp, I need to know I'm doing the right things when it comes to navigation etc. Question 1. When looking inside a website and you click on a video, would you: a. Rather have a table that goes on for ages with all information on that one page about the video? I.e Screenshots, thumbnail, links to the video, model info etc etc B. have it all on separate pages with links to each C. have tabs on one page with "overview", "screenshots", "HQ gallery" etc etc? Question 2. Thumbnails... what size is good enough? Or should I just have the images Massive? I already put zips up. Question 3. My images are currently 1800px Width or Height for viewing in browser, pop up or whatever.. what do you guys consider High Resolution images? Moreover, how is that classified. Thanks in advance.. If Pornusers.com allows, can I link to some sample images of how my site is laid out maybe???? Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-25-10 05:36am - 5141 days | #2 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster  Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I know I'm not strictly a "user", but I thought this might help: I've had a big debate very recently with my users over photo size. I use 2048 pixels as my maximum size (but they can be viewed on site at smaller sizes). The consensus seems to be that 2048 is more than enough, extremely few members want more than that. Most people seem to like photos which are no bigger than their monitor and a lot of members are still on screens of 1280-1440 pixels width. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 11-25-10 06:04am - 5141 days | #3 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Good questions from a WM... Very short: Question 1: C Question 2: Thumbnail at 2048 is enough. Question 3: Again I go with Ed2009. BTW: Thanks to a rather active (here) mistresskent for also being active in requests what PUs prefer......Guess a lot of webmasters could learn from her!!!! Even if these deals (porn-sites) are not a ping-pong between users and owners/webmasters - more webmasters should listen to the users.........and it could be so, that they might get even more paying users...  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" Edited on Nov 25, 2010, 06:08am | |
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| 11-25-10 07:20am - 5141 days | #4 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Thanks for your "BTW" comments xx On question 2... Do you mean to just put full size up straight off with no thumb? Would it make the load slow maybe?? Apologies if I come across thick. Ed2009... fanks dude xx Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-25-10 07:27am - 5141 days | #5 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended  Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
For number 1, I also go with C. 2048 is fine for me. | |
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| 11-25-10 07:58am - 5141 days | #6 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
sorry, mistresskent - my mistake: no, NOT without thumbs - first....  "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 11-25-10 08:00am - 5141 days | #7 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Wicked.. thanks, glad really... I thought "What a nightmare". 2048 is rather large.. What about zips? Do you prefer them multi sized or just large? Fanks peeps Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-25-10 08:11am - 5141 days | #8 | |
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Denner (0)
Active User Posts: 1,217 Registered: Mar 03, '07 Location: Denmark |
Like a couple of other "professional sites", I've always been happy with a choice of more than one size of zip-files - not a big fan of Met Art - except they got that three choices in size of zip-files.....small, medium and large - take a look at it - but you probably know.... "I don't drink anymore - I freeze it, and eat it like a popcicle" | |
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| 11-25-10 09:14am - 5141 days | #9 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Yeah, checked it out.. super stuff! Thanks Denner and others xx Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-25-10 09:45am - 5141 days | #10 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
I go with large size only for zips. I go with multiple qualities for movies though. | |
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| 11-25-10 11:44am - 5141 days | #11 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User  Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Ditto everything Denner said...including his BTW. Two added BTW's. PLEASE make navigation intuitive and identify your models by their "stage name" in a consistent manner. Nothing frustrates me (and many others) more than lousy navigation and models given names that aren't even close to their chosen "stage names." Then there's the occasional situation where the same site uses more than one name for the same model. That's just plain nuts. | |
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| 11-26-10 12:44am - 5140 days | #12 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Thanks x Can't be too hard on naming the models as its mostly me! lol Thankyou Mbaya ... what sort of formats are actually preferred? I'm already shooting hi-def, unfortunately when I started it was all standard def and now I'm going back over my best sellers and re-doing the whole bleedin lot (Re-filming rather than just making them bigger)! Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-26-10 04:49am - 5140 days | #13 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I used to offer two sizes of zip file but after a few months no-one was downloading the small ones so now I only post the large ones (2048 pixels). Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 11-26-10 03:00pm - 5140 days | #14 | |
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Goldfish (0)
Active User  Posts: 265 Registered: Jan 19, '08 Location: Boston, MA |
1. I'll go with C with a "but". I think the overview page would be redundant. If you have a video and photoset that go together then the two tabs will work. Maybe you can default to one tab or the other depending how the user navigates to the page? Since I am more a video guy I'll leave the photo questions to others. (Though I will say using thumbnails of some size is better than having the full size image right on the page.) | |
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| 11-27-10 01:13am - 5139 days | #15 | |
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slutty (0)
Active User Posts: 475 Registered: Mar 02, '09 Location: Pennsylvania |
I ain't Mbaya, but depending on the size of the video I would recommend providing the Full HD (I think wmv or mp4 is fine, but mac users would probably prefer mp4), a mid version that is perhaps equivalent to SD, and perhaps even a smaller version for those on slow connections. Personally I don't think it is all that important what codec you use on your videos, as long as it is common and does decent quality compression, although once again mac users might disagree. Just make sure full video downloads, no parts! I also agree that is nice to have an active webmaster, sorry that FemDom/fetish stuff isn't really my cup of tea or I'd throw some support your way... Bunny Lebowski: I'll suck your cock for a thousand dollars. Brandt: Ah hahahahaha! Wonderful woman. We're all, we're all very fond of her. Very free-spirited. | |
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| 11-27-10 02:26am - 5139 days | #16 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
For video format, I've had the least problems (or at least my customers have had the least problems, so I've had the least customer support to do) with MP4. Had very mixed results with WMV. One thing to bear in mind is that you really cannot please everyone. If you offer just one format, some people won't be able to play it - if you offer a range, some people will get confused and think each version is a different video or think all files are needed before you can play the video. There's also the site space consideration, but that's not something users are going to worry about! Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 11-27-10 04:05am - 5139 days | #17 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I currently have WMV and MP4 in SD. I embed WMV directly on the website. Is it preferred to have flash, wmv or MP4 to play "in browser"? WMV and MP4 are available in one size currently and I plan to have HD and SD. I can say that 10% of my customers use mac/safari. The rest are windows/explorer OS/browser. I watch these figures closely and sort of change with the trend and there doesn't seem to be a large shift yet towards any other OS yet.. which is why WMV has worked so far I suppose. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-27-10 04:09pm - 5139 days | #18 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
I'm still experimenting with HD. I don't offer streaming any more as I was spending too much time trying to help members play them. I never got Flash video to compress down to anything decent - guess I need a better video processor. I get a roughly 50/40/10 split between IE/Firefox/Chrome. I seem to get less Mac visitors than everyone I speak to. Averaged over the last 3 months only 2% are Macs. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 11-27-10 04:14pm - 5139 days | #19 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
The thing I find a nightmare is giving technical support to Mac owning customers. I know very little about them and none of my friends and acquaintances own one. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 11-27-10 06:20pm - 5139 days | #20 | |
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mbaya (0)
Suspended Posts: 891 Registered: Jul 07, '08 Location: new jersey |
For videos, I almost never download more than 1280x720 as the files just get too big and the quality is not noticeably better on my monitor. 720x480 is another ok choice, but not what want for myself. Anything smaller is not worth bothering with. For inbrowser, I prefer WMV. I have trouble with MP4, although I don't know why. I agree with slutty. I really like active webmasters/mistresses, but your content has no appeal to me. I do however appreciate your concern for producing the best you can and listening to users to us. Keep up the good work. Edited on Nov 27, 2010, 06:23pm | |
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| 11-28-10 02:26am - 5138 days | #21 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I've been looking into the "amateur" niche recently, as a hobby producer.. nothing mega, but for the future.. I love upskirts with "ordinary" girls. So maybe one day I CAN provide something you guys might like lol. My standards are minimum 720 x 526< (dependant on widescreen etc) 1280 x 720 I think is the winner here for me re HD and keep my old format as standard.. I just wish I knew this when I started!! I've also invested in 3 point lighting for shoots now, which drastically improves the quality, hence why I'm re-shooting the best sellers. So to re-cap: 1. Movies minimum: WMV and MP4 standard and HD 2. Pictures to be 2048px Width or Height viewable in browser and ZIP for download. 3. WMV embeds I have a regular blog... and I'm planning to have a network also, what do you guys consider "Good Extras"?? You are all brilliant BTW x Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 11-28-10 10:41am - 5138 days | #22 | |
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gonzooprano (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 40 Registered: Oct 17, '10 Location: Atlanta,Ga. |
I bought one 2 years ago for video and grapic editing. Its the best purchase Ive made in a long time. I own an army of Windows desktops, and 3 win laptops including windows 7. After buying the mac its much easier to know what they expect as well. | |
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| 12-05-10 01:48am - 5131 days | #23 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Can I just say thanks to all that have commented on this post. I have now made a huge plan to change my site and give HD a good bash. xx Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-17-10 10:17pm - 5118 days | #24 | |
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graymane (0)
Suspended  Posts: 1,411 Registered: Feb 20, '10 Location: Virginia |
I can't comment on the technical stuff, MistressKent, but , for what its worth, I can throw in some general tips, as well as some words of encouragement and surely some deserving compliments? From where I stand, I see a lady with a determined fixtation on going forward with her enterprise and not having to step back. 1) My gut-feeling about taking on other nitchs (diversifying)is that I feel its a good idea, and I applaude you for initiative, but one needs to guard against being over-confident and moving too fast. I've found being really ready, and, more importantly, financally secure taking on a project to better work for me. 2) Brilliant? I wouldn't go so far as to put all PU helpers on that higher scale. Genuinely desiring to be helpful better fits. But you need to give some credit where its due, and that would be directly to yourself.... after all, you're the one who owns and runs a successful porn site. 3) lastly, you've been smart to stay close to, and be abreast of, the importance of the goings-on at our site. You've gained an army of admires and willing supporters here at PU ... not to mention the great pleasure of having your memorable visits and input. | |
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| 12-18-10 03:19am - 5118 days | #25 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User  Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
If you are looking to the amateur niche, perhaps you might consider some ideas given here, please? https://www.pornusers.com/forum/forum_thr...d.html?threadid=1014 Thanks, Cap'n.  Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-10 04:53am - 5118 days | #26 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
So after reading this... more strip tease and full frontal nudity and less masturbation.. en mass??? Pictures or videos or both? As girls that can strip-tease have to also have "it" if you see what I mean... they must have "something about them" for me to even raise an eyebrow. This can be difficult. Ladies are hard to find with my standards for videos alone, however, pictures are much easier and you can really give a good close up still image of the necessary bits without the need for them to put on an act. i.e When I visit strip clubs, so often I see a girl that comes across with that "I'm making money out of you because I'm gorgeous" vibe.. They look beautiful.. I don't like that attitude and I wouldn't want paying customers to suffer it either. As I can only explain, A mermaid on the outside...but sea slug on the inside. What I find quite unbelievable online, is that so many companies seem to just "bash out" content... with any girl that's pretty and willing.. there are many sites that aren't like this also.. So you all continuously search for this "special site" that gives you all what you want.. yet, you demand daily updates and tons of extras?? Need I point out the irony of it all... Think about what you guys really want.... there are 365 days a year... if there were 5 updates per day like some of these major sites.. then that would mean.. little ole' me will be working my arse off just picturing girls that I don't want to picture, for what.. to keep up with the jones's? My perfect site would be ONE "quality" gallery and video per week charged at a premium, then I could focus on those girls thoroughly, really show who they really are. Its creative wank material at its best.. I always say this, I'm not a huge company, I'm just a little bird in a huge world.. but in my heart I know what makes good filth.. not just BDSM. Quality vs Quantity for me. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-18-10 05:11am - 5118 days | #27 | ||||
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Basically, yes. Whilst I am not averse to the occasional video, photosets are where it is at for me. 
For me, that is sufficient.  I prefer full body shots to close ups & am not averse to seeing six or ten sets of a good & popular model in an archive.
If you are working in a niche, quality is better than quantity. As long as it stays on topic. Not interested in bonus material.
Yes me too! Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! Edited on Dec 18, 2010, 05:16am | ||||
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| 12-18-10 05:24am - 5118 days | #28 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
It would be so much simpler (and cheaper!) if one of my friends owned one. Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-18-10 06:10am - 5118 days | #29 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Fanks Cap'n... you are a Darlin Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-18-10 09:03am - 5118 days | #30 | |
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Ed2009 (0)
Suspended Webmaster Posts: 509 Registered: Sep 12, '09 Location: Wales, UK |
Whenever I've polled my members about bonus material the overwhelming response has been in favour of it. Maybe it's down to what you post as bonus stuff? Webmaster of StripGameCentral and A Measure of Curiosity. | |
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| 12-18-10 09:54am - 5118 days | #31 | |
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Monahan (0)
Active User Posts: 348 Registered: Jan 17, '07 Location: SF Valley, CA |
Whilst I understand Cap'n's interests (I was a photo guy for a very long time) I gravitated to video because I wanted to see the babes in more detail and without any airbrushing or photoshopping. There's a place in the market for each - photos and videos. For example Twistys integrates both photos and videos, but, in my experience, it can be frustrating when I would love to see a video of some outstanding babe but all that is on offer are photos. But the ironic part is that a babe with just photos on Twistys can sometimes be found elsewhere (through FreeOnes.com). My personal preference, however, is that a site be primarily one or the other, not both. | |
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| 12-18-10 09:55am - 5118 days | #32 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Really? So A picture site OR video. Thats interesting Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-18-10 10:08am - 5118 days | #33 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Virtually all sites used to be photo sites prior to widespread adoption of broadband. Some sites do both, but are usually weighted either one way or the other. These days a lot of sites are video based to the exclusion of photosets. I agree with Monahan though, I feel it is better that a site specialises one way or another. It has been debated here before whether there should be any price difference between a video based site & a photo site. I believe both formats are equally valid & of equal value if done properly. My preference is for a photo based site. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-10 10:10am - 5118 days | #34 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
I think videos should be more expensive as it takes up alot more bandwidth than images. But I do both video and photo so I suppose they are both important to me in different ways Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-18-10 10:12am - 5118 days | #35 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
Yes, perhaps it should be like that. I was looking at it more at a customers view point. Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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| 12-18-10 10:32am - 5118 days | #36 | |
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mistresskent (0)
Active Webmaster Posts: 188 Registered: Feb 02, '09 Location: Kent, UK |
Even from a customers point of view... surely bandwidth should be a consideration in the price??? Videos take up serious bandwidth compared to stills. Mistress Kent xx http://www.mistresskent.com http://www.mistresskent.co.uk | |
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| 12-18-10 10:44am - 5118 days | #37 | |
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Capn (0)
Active User Posts: 1,740 Registered: Sep 05, '09 Location: Near the Beer! |
I don't know TBH. Not being a video enthusiast I wouldn't join a video only site anyway, so perhaps I had best leave an answer on that to those that do.  Cap'n. Admiral of the PU Hindenburg. 2009 PU AwardHilarious Post of the Year 2010 PU Award ( I would have preferred it to be Helpful Post of the Year for Guys who Hate 'Retail Therapy' ) :0/ Sanity is in the eye of the Beholder! | |
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